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Noah's Ark: The Vessel (Feasibility; Resting Place; Remains)

Quitters of the lost Ark...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt?

Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
September 20, 2004

In April businessman and Christian activist Daniel McGivern announced with great fanfare a planned summer expedition to Mount Ararat in Turkey. The project, he said, would prove that the fabled Noah's ark was buried there.

Explorers have long searched for the ark on the Turkish mountain. At a news conference in Washington, D.C., McGivern presented satellite images, which he claimed show a human-made object—Noah's ark—nestled in the ice and snow some 15,000 feet (4,570 meters) up the mountain.

"We are not excavating it," McGivern told the audience. "We're going to photograph it and, God willing, you're all going to see it." If successful, he said, the discovery would be "the greatest event since the resurrection of Christ."

Mount Ararat, perhaps the biblical resting place of Noah's Ark, entices many curious archaeologists and explorers. Few are allowed to scale the mountain's heights, however, as it lies in a Turkish military zone. Even if Noah's Ark did exist, it is unlikely the wooden boat would still be preserved today, many experts say.

The announcement received generous news coverage. But the U.S. 0,000 expedition quickly hit a snag: The Turkish government refused to grant the explorers permission to climb the mountain. Soon, the mission itself was put on ice.

But how credible was the expedition in the first place?

McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.

The choice of expedition leader—a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40 years—also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous expeditions.

(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National Geographic News for interviews for this story.)

Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television, which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about Arslan's testimony.

Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.

"These expeditions are a waste of time, energy, and money—all of which could be put to much better use by supporting existing scholarly excavations around the world," said Eric Cline, a historian and archaeologist at the George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

Ararat Anomaly

The story of Noah's ark is found in the Bible's Book of Genesis. It says God saw how corrupt the Earth had become and decided to "bring floodwaters … to destroy all life under the heavens."

God reportedly told Noah to preserve life on Earth by building an ark and filling it with two of every species on the planet. The rains unleashed by God are said to have lasted for 40 days and 40 nights. The Bible says that water came from under the Earth as well. When the waters receded, the ark landed in the region of Mount Ararat, according to the biblical account.

Reports of ark sightings have been common. Witnesses have described an old wooden structure sticking out of the snow and ice near the summit of Mount Ararat, which is located in Turkey near its border with Armenia and Iran.

Because of Soviet complaints that explorers were spying, the region was off limits until 1982. Since then, scores of climbers have scaled the mountain but failed to substantiate what the object is.

In 1997 the U.S. government released images taken by its Air Force in 1949 that were believed by some to show a structure covered by ice on Mount Ararat. These photographs had reportedly been kept in a government file labeled "Ararat Anomaly." However, experts deemed the images inconclusive.

While no scientific evidence of the ark's existence has emerged, the Turkish government has reportedly documented cases of expeditions bringing wood up to Mount Ararat and "finding" it the next year.

In the CBS documentary, The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark, a man named George Jammal displayed what he claimed to be an ancient piece of wood from inside the ark. Jammal, an Israeli actor living at the time in Long Beach, California, later said the wood was actually from some railroad tracks in Long Beach. He admitted he had never set foot in Turkey.

The documentary also dramatized a 1989 solo expedition by Ahmet Ali Arslan in which he claims to have come within 200 feet (60 yards) of the ark and photographed it. But experts have questioned the authenticity of the photos and Arslan's story.

"Ahmet is a big talker," said one well-known ark researcher, who asked that his name be withheld so as not to jeopardize his own chances of obtaining an expedition permit from the Turkish authorities. "In one conversation he will say that he has 3,000 photos, and in another conversation ten minutes later 5,000 photos."

No Proof

For years, attempts by McGivern to have satellite images taken of Mount Ararat failed. In the summer of 2003 he recruited DigitalGlobe, a commercial satellite-imagery firm, to try again. This time, a heat wave that hit Europe that year had partially melted the snowcap on top of the mountain.

McGivern claimed the new images showed a large structure, with vertical beams and one horizontal beam, buried on the mountain. He said he was 98 percent sure it was the ark.

Most experts, however, were skeptical. The object in the images could easily be a rock formation, they said, adding that some of the photos were nonscientific and fuzzy.

"It's very easy to get something that looks like it's man-made [in these images]. But once you get there, it turns out to be nothing," said Lorence Collins, a retired geology professor at California State University at Northridge and an expert on photo-geology. "It's simply hopeful thinking."

WorldNetDaily.com, a politically conservative Web site that often reports religious news, quoted McGivern: "The government of Turkey did not issue a research visa, which is sad, but it's their country. We haven't totally given up, but it's pretty obvious they're not going to give us one."

Melting Glaciers

If Noah's ark exists, could it be buried on Mount Ararat? That depends on whether the flood actually happened.

Some Christians were encouraged by a theory advanced by Walter Pitman and William Ryan, two geology professors at Columbia University in New York. The researchers suggested that a great deluge at the end of the last ice age, 8,400 years ago, caused the Aegean Sea to overflow into the Black Sea.

However, other geologists argue the Black Sea was already full by the time Noah is said to have sailed off on his ark. They say a much slower rise in the sea level occurred up to 12,000 years ago, as the glaciers melted.

"Evidence [instead] points conclusively to strong outflow from the Black Sea basin into the Mediterranean through the intervening Marmara Sea since about 11,000 years ago," said Richard Hiscott, a professor of earth sciences at Memorial University in St. John, Canada.

Most geologists seem to agree that it would probably be impossible for a ship to make landfall at an altitude of 15,000 feet (4,570 meters). (Some explorers claim the ark is buried elsewhere, noting the Bible talks about several mountains.)

Cline, the George Washington University historian and archaeologist, calls the Noah's ark expeditions "fringe archaeology."

"Speaking strictly for myself," he said, "I am happy to stay out of such an area of debatable research."
 
Is my grin over this one of them 'schadenfreude' thingies? :D

Rescuers turn back yards from stranded climber

Monday, August 15, 2005; Posted: 7:52 p.m. EDT (23:52 GMT)

ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) -- A Turkish rescue team got within 30 meters of a stranded U.S. mountain climber with an injured ankle Monday before turning back, saying the climb would be too risky and rescue operations would have to begin Tuesday morning, the Anatolia news agency reported.

The injured climber, who was identified only by the name Cohn, was one of three Americans descending Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey after reaching its summit, Anatolia said.

Another climber in the group made it down to seek help, while the third stayed with Cohn on the mountain at a height of around 4,000 meters (13,000 feet), Anatolia said.

Ararat is Turkey's highest mountain, and is said to be the spot where Noah's ark landed as floodwaters receded, according to the story in the Bible.

The three U.S. climbers were warned not to climb in the region where they became stranded, local official Rauf Ulusoy told Anatolia.

"Before the climb, the climbers were warned by authorized people that they should definitely not go into the mentioned region and should not deviate from the route. The region where the climbers was found was around 1.5 kilometers (one mile) outside of the route," Ulusoy said.


Ahmet Ertugrul, the leader of the rescue team, said that the stranded climbers had enough food and supplies and were not in danger, but that the route to where they were found was icy and dangerous.

"The region is very risky. We had no chance of reaching the injured one. As we could understand from far away, the climber's ankle is either sprained or broken. Because we couldn't reach him, we informed the necessary units and descended," Ertugrul said.

Ulusoy said another unit would begin a rescue operation on Tuesday morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Satellite Sleuth Closes in on Noah's Ark Mystery
By Leonard David
Senior Space Writer

High on Mt. Ararat in eastern Turkey, there is a baffling mountainside "anomaly," a feature that one researcher claims may be something of biblical proportions.

Images taken by aircraft, intelligence-gathering satellites and commercial remote-sensing spacecraft are fueling an intensive study of the intriguing oddity. But whether the anomaly is some geological quirk of nature, playful shadows, a human-made structure of some sort, or simply nothing at all—that remains to be seen.

Whatever it is, the anomaly of interest rests at 15,300 feet (4,663 meters) on the northwest corner of Mt. Ararat, and is nearly submerged in glacial ice. It would be easy to call it merely a strange rock formation.

But at least one man wonders if it could be the remains of Noah's Ark—a vessel said to have been built to save people and selected animals from the Great Flood, the 40 days and 40 nights of deluge as detailed in the Book of Genesis.

The Genesis blueprint of the Ark detailed the structure as 6:1 length to width ratio (300 cubits by 50 cubits). The anomaly, as viewed by satellite, is close to that 6:1 proportion.

Newfound optimism

Identifying the Ararat anomaly has been a 13-year-long quest of Porcher Taylor, an associate professor in paralegal studies at the University of Richmond's School of Continuing Studies in Virginia.

Taylor has been a national security analyst for more than 30 years, also serving as a senior associate for five years at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington, D.C.

"I've got new found optimism ... as far as my continuing push to have the intelligence community declassify some of the more definitive-type imagery," Taylor told SPACE.com/LiveScience. He points to a "new and significant development," a high-resolution image taken by DigitalGlobe's impressive QuickBird satellite and shown here publicly for the first time [alternate version with no annotation].

"I'm calling this my satellite archeology project," Taylor said. It's an effort that has now included use of QuickBird, GeoEye's Ikonos spacecraft, Canada's Radarsat 1, as well as declassified aerial and satellite images taken by the various U.S. intelligence agencies.

Making the mountain transparent

Taylor said his goal is straightforward: Combining this imagery to make the Ararat anomaly transparent to the public, as well as to the discerning, dispassionate eyes of scientists, imagery analysts, and other experts.

"I had no preconceived notions or agendas when I began this in 1993 as to what I was looking for," Taylor said. As for the saga of Noah's Ark, he is quick to note that there are those who say it is fable while some take it as truth. Nevertheless, the anomaly may not be a ridge line of ice, snow and possibly rock, but an artificial ridge line, Taylor said. "I maintain that if it is the remains of something manmade and potentially nautical, then it's potentially something of biblical proportions."

While chiding the intelligence communities to release more of their closely guarded satellite imagery, Taylor said that soon-to-fly commercial remote sensing spacecraft are sure to help his archeological undertaking.

"We've got three new birds that are going up. I'm using all my clout, rapport and lobbying to, hopefully, have them at least fly calibration runs over Mt. Ararat," Taylor said. Those images would make the mountain even more transparent, he said.

Will it float?

Meanwhile, Taylor has an ever-expanding network of experts to help tease out the truth about the anomaly. For example, satellite imagery analyst Rod Franz of SunTek Media Group/RiteImage, Inc., located in Henderson, Nevada, has taken a look at imagery provided by Taylor of the Ararat anomaly and carried out additional analysis of the area. As director of training for the firm, Franz sharpened his skills by serving nearly 25 years as a military intelligence imagery analyst.

For the anomaly assessment, the same software tools used for studying government and commercial remote sensing data were employed, Franz told SPACE.com/LiveScience. Ground distances and scales of the anomaly were determined. That software also has the ability to adjust brightness, haze, sharpness, contrast and other factors of the area of interest, he said.

"Along with many other image manipulation functions ... I also used the pseudo-color function trying to determine if I could detect anything under the ice and snow," Franz said.

The face of the anomaly measured 1,015 feet (309 meters) across, Franz said. "I also found the shape of the anomaly appears to fit on a circle. I am not sure what this means, if anything, but I find it curious."

Given that length, Taylor pointed out, the anomaly dwarfs the Titanic and Bismarck in size, and equals the size of the largest modern aircraft carrier. That analysis would seem to call into question whether the anomaly is a wooden ship and raises a key question: If a boat were truly that huge, would it float?

There are also experts in remote sensing who offer a skeptical view.

"Image interpretation is an art," said Farouk El-Baz, Director of the Boston University Center for Remote Sensing.

"One has to be familiar with Sun lighting effects on the shape of observed features," El-Baz said. "Very slight changes in slope modify shadow shapes that affect the interpretations. Up to this time, all the images I have seen can be interpreted as natural landforms. The feature that has been interpreted as the 'Ararat Anomaly' is to me a ledge of rock in partial shadow, with varied thickness of snow and ice cover.

Visual truth serum

Thanks to more satellite imagery in the offing, as well as other studies underway, Taylor said his remote archeological research is on the upswing.

There is an ultimate end-game. That is, on-the-spot ground truth ... and Taylor hopes his research findings will catalyze a top-notch expedition to the area. "It is whatever it is," he said.

But for now, satellite remote sensing to carry out archeological "digs" from space will fill in for an in-the-field expedition. Just a few weeks ago, for example, NASA scientists utilizing space- and aircraft-based remote sensing hardware and techniques uncovered Maya ruins hidden in the rainforests of Central America for more than 1,000 years.

"For explorers, imagery from GeoEye's Ikonos satellite married with Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite data has become as indispensable as water and freeze dried food for any expedition. One does not want to leave home without it," said Mark Brender, GeoEye Vice President for communications and marketing, headquartered in Dulles, Virginia.

For researchers, imagery from space like those provided by GeoEye provides "the ultimate high shot" and a contextual view you could never get from observations on the ground or even from a plane, Brender told SPACE.com/LiveScience. "It's visual truth serum."
 
Why waste time searching for it? Even if all the ice in the world melted, it wouldn't make the sea level rise by more than 100 meters.

If the Noah's ark story is to some extent true it would only be a story about a regional flood like in the Black Sea.
 
In Ned Flanders Ark the animals went in one by one not only cutting out hanky panky but also saving space.
Agreed if ever there was an Ark the last place you'd look for it would be 15000ft up a mountain :rofl:
 
For lack of a better place:

Dutchman builds modern Noah's Ark

Dutchman Johan Huibers is building a working replica of Noah's Ark as a testament to his Christian faith.

The 47-year-old from Schagen, 45km (30 miles) north of Amsterdam, plans to set sail in September through the interior waters of the Netherlands.

Johan's Ark is a fifth of the size of Noah's and will carry farmyard animals.

Mr Huibers, who plans to open the vessel as a religious monument and zoo, hopes the project will renew interest in Christianity in the Netherlands.

Although Mr Huibers has tried to remain true to the ark described in the Bible, Johan's Ark is constructed with American cedar and Norwegian pine, rather than "gopher wood".

'Smell of dung'

According to Genesis, Noah kept seven pairs of most domesticated animals, and one breeding pair of all other creatures.

This will speak very much to children... they'll hear the creak of the wood, smell the smell of the dung
Johan Huibers

Noah's wife, three sons and three daughters-in-law lived together on the boat for almost a year while the world was flooded.

Mr Huibers' vision is more modest - he said he plans to stock his ark with horses, lambs, chickens and rabbits - mostly baby animals to save space.

"This will speak very much to children, because it will give them something tangible to see that Noah's Ark really existed," Mr Huibers told the Associated Press news agency.

The total cost of the project is estimated to be just under 1m euros (£0.7m; US$1.2m) and was funded with bank loans.

Mr Huibers plans to charge people to tour the boat and said a drink and religious pamphlet will be included in the admission price. At least 100,000 people will need to visit for the project to break-even financially.

Mr Huibers said his wife was not very keen on the idea.

"She always says: 'Why don't you go dig wells in Ethiopia?'," he said. "I've been involved in projects there before but she understands this is my dream."

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Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/w ... 853890.stm

Published: 2006/03/28 15:14:06 GMT

© BBC MMVI

And:

Dutchman builds replica of Noah’s ark

By Toby Sterling
Associated Press
Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:56 AM
AP

Johan Huibers hopes his working replica of Noah’s Ark will spur greater interest in the Bible.

SCHAGEN, THE NETHERLANDS -- Some people think he's crazy. His wife's not exactly thrilled either. But like the biblical Noah, Dutchman Johan Huibers is steadfast in his mission: he's building an enormous working replica of Noah's Ark as a testament to his faith in the literal truth of the Bible.

Townsfolk in Schagen, 30 miles north of Amsterdam, frequently stop by to wave hello or just gawk at the huge wooden ship that is nearing completion in the town's small harbour.

Johan's Ark is calibrated to be able to pass narrowly under every bridge and through every sluice along his planned sailing route, through the interior waters of the Netherlands to the country's big cities.

Reckoning by the old biblical measurements, the ark is roughly 150 cubits long by 30 cubits high and 20 cubits wide. That's nearly 230 feet long, 45 feet high, and 30 feet wide.

As described in Genesis, Noah used "gopher wood" to build his ark. Johan's Ark is constructed with American cedar and Norwegian pine - on top of a seaworthy steel hull.

While spectacular, it holds only about a fifth as many cubic cubits as Noah's would have, according to most biblical scholars.

"And just think, Noah did it alone and without modern tools. It's unimaginable, no?" says Huibers, an energetic 47-year-old contractor.

According to Genesis, Noah kept seven pairs of most domesticated animals, and one breeding pair of all other creatures, plus his wife, three sons and three daughters-in-law together on the same boat for almost a year while all the world was submerged by an enormous flood.

Huibers' vision is more modest. He plans to stock his ark with a collection of farmyard animals such as horses, lambs, chickens and rabbits, plus an exhibition on more exotic creatures.

He hopes to set sail in September - displaying the ark as a combination religious monument, museum, and petting zoo.

"This will speak very much to children, because it will give them something tangible to see that Noah's Ark really existed," Huibers says. "They'll hear the creak of the wood, smell the smell of the dung."

Huibers kicked the idea around in his head for more than a decade before he bought and milled more than 1,200 logs needed for the project last summer. His son Roy, 17, and several builder friends have helped when they can. But most of the work was up to Huibers.

And Mrs. Huibers?

"She doesn't really like it," he says. "She always says 'Why don't you go dig wells in Ethiopia?' I've been involved in projects there before. But she understands, this is my dream."

Seeing is believing. Huibers began hammering in the nails in December, and on a frosty March afternoon, he walked energetically around the ship, pointing out how it will all work.

The entry is through a large drawbridge in the side, leading up to the second of three levels, where the animals will be stalled. Stairs take visitors to displays on the first and third levels. On the top deck will be a small covered house serving drinks, with the zoo outside.

Johan's Ark will house mostly baby animals, which Huibers believes Noah would also have done to save space. They're also cuter, which may help business.

The total cost of the non-profit project is estimated at slightly under $1.2 million.

Huibers plans to charge admission, $2.40 for children and $3.60 for adults, which will include a tour, a drink, and a religious pamphlet. "So at least a hundred thousand people will have to visit to call it a success," he says. "Do you believe they will? I do."

Huibers has already convinced his fussiest critics: the bankers, who provided loans. Johan's Ark will meet all naval, fire and animal rights regulations.

Despite coming from the low-lying Netherlands, fear of rising seas from global warming or a new God-sent deluge didn't play a special role in the Dutchman's plan.

"It won't happen again. You know: the rainbow," he said, referring to the passage in Genesis where God put his "bow in the cloud" as part of his promise that he would never again flood the whole Earth.

Huibers said he hopes the project will renew interest in Christianity in the Netherlands. "That's my motivation."

/www.columbusdispatch.com/national/national.php?story=175770
 
The Dutch arkbuilder reminds me of Bill Cosby's "Noah" routine :D is the ark blocking his neighbor's driveway?
 
Jun 26, 2006 10:45 pm US/Central

Texans Part Of Possible Noah's Ark Discovery




(CBS 11 News) DALLAS CBS 11 has news of what could turn out to be one of the biggest discoveries in the history of both archaeology, and Christianity. A group of men, including several north Texans, believes it has found the remains of Noah's Ark, but it's not where most think.

The group made the discovery in Iran. That may come as a surprise, because Christians have always believed Noah's Ark was in Mount Ararat, in eastern Turkey.

The terrain was treacherous. The odds of success low.

“I really didn't think we were going to get into Iran. What are the chances that ground zero, the country that hates America the most, that we could get in?” said Texan, Arch Bonnema.

Faith and curiosity drove Dallas businessman Bonnema on a spiritual and historic journey. He says more than a thousand people have searched for Noah's Ark over the past century.

“If we can find some evidence that Noah's Ark really existed, I thought that could cause thousands and tens of thousands of people to say, ‘maybe the rest of the bible is true, too.’” Bonnema said.

He was joined by fellow Dallas businessman Boone Powell, and more than a dozen others.

“We had archaeologists, we had geologists, scientists, biblical historians, we had mountain climbers,” Bonnema said.

More than 13,000 feet above sea level, after a seven hour hike, their pilgrimage concluded with a 400-foot long object.

Bonnema says the piece was obviously man-made and it was exactly where they expected. The team's leader, Dr. Robert Cornuke, had determined that Noah's Ark couldn't be in Turkey, based on the description in the bible and the time frame.

According to Bonnema, in biblical times, Ararat was in the region which is today northern Iran.

The businessman says the petrified wood clearly bears a resemblance to a ship. “How did a ship get to 13,300 feet, except to float there?”

Bonnema says he knows there will be naysayers, but he believes the discovery will reaffirm others' faith as it did his own.

A Houston lab used by the Smithsonian tested the alleged ark. Bonnema says they found that it was petrified wood, and that fossilized sea animals were buried inside it.



source http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_sto ... 34625.html
 
ruffready said:
The group made the discovery in Iran. That may come as a surprise, because Christians have always believed Noah's Ark was in Mount Ararat, in eastern Turkey.
Well, as prospect~ pointed out in this very thread:
...Genesis says only that the Ark landed on the mountains of Ararat, where Ararat is not a single mountain but a region [2 Kings 19:37, Isa 37:38, Jer. 51:27]..... "The mountains of Ararat" implies not a single peak, but a mountainous region within this area, such as the Qardu region (northern Kurdistan) west of Lake Urmia. Early reports of the ark place it on several different mountains, including some in the Qardu region. Mt. Ararat is not mentioned as a landing site until the 11th or 12th century.
Perhaps a permissble mistake, but important. Rather like scouring Cairngorm Mountain alone, when the location was given as the Cairngorms.
 
ruffready said:
A Houston lab used by the Smithsonian tested the alleged ark. Bonnema says they found that it was petrified wood, and that fossilized sea animals were buried inside it.
The video didn't make it look particularly wood-like - more like slate, which forms from petrified mud.

This could explain the 'sea animals' found in it. The Ark was never under the sea, according to the bible, and was only on it for 40 days, so the only marine life that could have attached to it would have been outside (eg barnacles), or have bored into the wood from outside (eg gribble).

But the effect such marine life could have had in 40 days would probably have been minimal. Also bear in mind that there had been tremendous rainfall (part of the cause of the Flood), and this would have left the surface of the sea covered in a layer of fresh water, which floats on salt water, which would further argue against the presence of 'sea animals' in the ark.
 
has there been any new news or updates on this elusive levithan of a ship?
 
Yep - have now merged threads, so if you review the past couple of pages it should hang together (if a little oddly at times, but hey, what's new :D?)
 
Hmmm, ok my eyes are huting now, im trying to plough through all these websites and none seem to be telling me either way with any authority yay or nay to these ARK sites. Has anyone got any good links to decent websites written by respeected and known reaserchers who have been following the development of these areas. ive done a google on it and have been looking at the relevant links but they all seem to know nothing but lay cliam to everything. (not that i Know anything).
 
Unfortunately, that tends to be the way of things with the Ark (and with many Fort quests) - lots of trumpeting, optimism and "I think we've really got a good chance" type platitudes, then absolutely sod all.
 
If you must build an Ark, make sure the better half designs it
David Charter, Europe Correspondent

A devout Dutchman has spent two years and a million euros rebuilding Noah’s Ark after a dream that the Netherlands was suddenly submerged under water.

Johan Huibers, 48, a believer in the literal truth of the Bible, made his replica three storeys high and filled it with life-size models of giraffes, elephants, lions, crocodiles and zebras – all two-by-two.

At 230ft (70m) long it is around half the length of the biblical vessel described in Genesis. But Johan’s Ark is drawing crowds to his home town of Schagen, 27 miles (45km) north of Amsterdam, from where he plans to sail it around the Dutch canal system to teach children about the Bible.

“I had a dream that Holland will become flooded. The next day, I found a book about Noah’s Ark in the bookshop, and since then, my dream has been to build the ark,” he said. “The design is by my wife, Bianca. She didn’t really want me to do this at all, but she said ‘If you’re going to anyway, it should look like this’.”

Noah is said to have kept seven pairs of most domesticated animals and one breeding pair of all other creatures – as well as his wife, three sons and three daughters-in-law – on his boat for almost a year while the world was flooded.

The only live creatures on Johan’s Ark are a collection of farmyard animals which form a petting zoo for children. He has also installed a 50-seat theatre showing film clips. While the biblical boat was built from “gopher wood”, the Dutch version is made from a mixture of American cedar and Norwegian pine over a steel hull.

As a firm believer in the Genesis story, Mr Huibers does not believe that the entire world will be destroyed by a second flood, despite global warming. God placed the rainbow in the sky as a guarantee against that.

Al Gore, the US Democrat Vice-President turned environmentalist, recently said, however, that the Netherlands was particularly at risk from rising sea levels. Lois Poppema, an American tourist and one of the first to visit, said: “I don’t think the man who made this expected that global warming would become such an issue and that having the ark would be meaningful in the middle of Holland.” Despite her design input, Mrs Huibers was not terribly impressed.

“She doesn’t really like it,” Mr Huibers admitted. “She always says, ‘Why don’t you go dig wells in Ethiopia?’ But she understands this is my dream.”

And God said unto Noah . . .

Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

Genesis 6: 13-16 (KJV)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 722872.ece
 
Naoh's Ark Found (Again...)

I had to dig around for this old thread to tack this on:

'Noah's Ark' discovery on Turkish mountain
AFP


Apr 27, 2010

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers said Monday they believe they may have found Noah's Ark -- 4000m up a mountain in Turkey.

The team say they recovered wooden specimens from a structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey that carbon dating proved was 4800 years old, around the same time the ark is said to have been afloat.

"It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a Hong Kong documentary filmmaker and member of the 15-strong team from Noah's Ark Ministries International told AFP.

The structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, which were believed to house animals, he said.

The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds that one had never been found above 3500 metres in the vicinity, Yeung said.

Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted, Yeung added.

The biblical story says God decided to flood the earth after seeing how corrupt it had become, and told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.

After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain. Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants came aground.

source: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1045033

They also have their very own (bad) website with pics:

http://www.thenoahark.com/noahsarksearch/eng/
 
I've heard of seeing what you want to see, but is it a big surprise the self-styled Noah's Ark Ministries International claim to have found what they are looking for?
 
If they were BSing, would they be appealing for UNESCO protection, or asking for X million to be deposited in a Nigerian bank account before revealing anything more?
Convincing themselves a shepherd's hut is a 500 foot long ship wouldn't so much be suspension of disbelief as outright hallucination.
More words of hominid wisdom can be found in the 2012 thread in Earth Mysteries. ;) :D :p
 
The search for Noah's Ark: a history
A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical Christians claim to have uncovered remnants of Noah's Ark on its legendary mountain resting place in Turkey.
By Ben Leach
Published: 9:34AM BST 28 Apr 2010

But they are not the first group to have claimed to have discovered the Ark, the vessel which, according to the Bible, was built at God’s command to save Noah and the world's animals from a worldwide flood.

Despite many rumours, claims of sightings and expeditions, no scientific evidence of the Ark has ever been found.

The Ark is described in the Book of Genesis as 300 cubits long, or approximately 450 feet (137m).

According to Genesis 8:4, it came to rest "in the mountains of Ararat." Experts have agreed that these mountains are to be located in present-day Armenia and eastern Turkey.

Modern-day searches for the Ark have focused on two main candidates: the so-called "Ararat anomaly" near the main summit of Ararat and a site at Durup?nar near Dogubayazit, on the Turkish-Iranian border.

In 2004, Daniel McGivern, Honolulu-based businessman, announced he would finance a £600,000 expedition to the peak of Greater Ararat in July to investigate the Ararat anomaly.

But he was refused permission by the Turkish authorities, as the summit is inside a restricted military zone, after he paid for commercial satellite images of the site.

The expedition was labelled as a stunt by National Geographic News, which claimed that the expedition leader, a Turkish academic, had previously been accused of faking photographs of the Ark.

In 2006, Bob Cornuke of the Bible Archeology Search and Exploration Institute began an expedition to Iran to visit a site in the Alborz Mountains, purported to be a possible resting place of the Ark.

His team claimed to have discovered an object 13,000 feet above sea level, which looked to be made of blackened petrified wooden beams, and was "about the size of a small aircraft carrier" (400 ft long (120m)).

The team also claimed to have found fossilised sea creatures inside the object but no independent evidence has ever been put forward to validate their claims.

There have also been a number of hoax claims about the discovery of the Ark.

In 1993, CBS aired a programme called "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark".

In the programme George Jammal claimed to have “sacred wood from the ark", gathered during an expedition which allegedly took the life of "his Polish friend Vladimir".

Mr Jammal, who was really an actor, later revealed that his "sacred wood" was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California, and hardened by cooking with various sauces in an oven.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... story.html
 
Some people have to spoil the fun... ;)

..Mike Pitt, a British archaeologist, said the evangelical explorers had yet to produce compelling evidence.
He added: 'If there had been a flood capable of lifting a huge ship 4km up the side of a mountain 4,800 years ago, I think there would be substantial geological evidence for this flood around the world. And there isn't.'

Nicholas Purcell, a lecturer in ancient history at Oxford University, said the claims were the 'usual nonsense'. He added: 'If floodwaters covered Eurasia 12,000ft deep in 2,800BC, how did the complex societies of Egypt and Mesopotamia, already many centuries old, keep right on regardless?'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0mOKlAg8y
 
Well, they have produced some evidence, and I find it hard to conceive of what the subject of the video might be if not the Ark - there's not much else up there after all. Added to which they have brought pieces back with them, which can be carbon dated.
There is plenty of evidence for floods around the world, and plenty of versions of either the Ark story in various cultures, or flood stories specific to individual cultures around the world.
This particular claim is off to a better start than the others IMHO.
 
If they found anything, far more likely to be part of an old barn, shepherd's hut or animal pens. They say there's no evidence of human habitation that high in that region, it's more likely they've found that (if they've actually found anything at all) than a mythical physically improbable ship.

As someone posted earlier, they find Noah's Ark every few years or so, in different places, and possibly on the wrong mountain...the Bible doesn't say which mountain the Ark grounded on, it gives the name of the mountain range as Ararat not a specific mountain. The name only became attached to the mountain long after the supposed time of the flood.
 
If they found anything, far more likely to be part of an old barn, shepherd's hut or animal pens.
This is a crucial point - there's nothing of that sort that high up, it's too high for pasture.

physically improbable ship.

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/anomaly.htm

This page has the photos released to Porcher Taylor by the CIA. He spent years lobbying them to release their photos of Noah's ark, but they had them filed away as the Ararat Anomaly, and it was only when he asked for them under that name that they released them.
They show what seems to be a huge ship at the elevation these explorers were searching.
 
I've seen those, before it looks far more like a large outcrop of rock, and at 600 to 800 feet it's a bit big for the ark. The pictures on that website seem to be looking at something different as well.

And 4,000 metres may be too high for pasture now, but it may have been warmer in the past.
 
The object in the photos is more like 500 feet long and volcanic geology is unlikely to produce outcrops of any sort.
As for where the water came from, perhaps some celestial body came close enough for it's gravity to drag the existing seas into a mass high enough to cover Ararat - a monstrous tide. The Book Of Enoch says that Noah saw the Earth had tilted, perhaps that caused it.
A lot of the flood stories in other cultures are not re-tellings of the Noah story , they are accounts of a flood which affected them, and they had to build their own arks, which ended up on mountains in their own regions.
 
Bigfoot73 said:
As for where the water came from, perhaps some celestial body came close enough for it's gravity to drag the existing seas into a mass high enough to cover Ararat - a monstrous tide.
No geological or astronomical evidence for that.

Any gravitational effect able to create a 4 km tide would also break up much of the Earth itself. Again, there is no evidence this ever happened. (With the rapid relative motion of Earth and the other body, the destruction would have been widespread.)
 
What kind of boat could still be intact after millennia up a mountain in all weather? Not to mention the unlikely tale of Noah's Ark being true to the Biblical telling.
 
No geological or astronomical evidence for that
Personally I think evidence for flooding could be obscured relatively quickly, or maybe mistaken for the product of glaciation. whether such an event would actually break the planet up is rather uncertain I would have thought, after all it's survived the impact of huge meteorites before.

The survival of such a ship would be aided by it being frozen for much if not all of that time, and at a very high altitude - lack of oxygen to fuel various degrading processes, nor insects or animals to eat or burrow into it. ...

What this story needs is some further evidence from the explorers, such as external photos, plus some carbon dating of the items they brought back, and some follow-up from the scientific community and UNESCO, who are yet to comment.
 
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