In keeping with the above I am going to suggest al alternative explanation for the phenomena that you describe.
Feel free to shoot it down in flames.
So the sound engineer who listened to the tapes seemed convinced that the speaking and screaming sequences where separate from the vehicle noises. He explained this- weirdly - as being due to the vehicle noises being recordings.
I have listened to quite a lot, but by no means all - I have a life- of the five hour recording you have on your website. Much of it (indeed the vast majority if it) seems to consist of the very muffled passing of cars and bikes on a fairly busy road.
I would be almost willing to stake my genitals on those sounds being just that: the sounds of a nearby street that had somehow carried into your basement. I have no idea of the technicalities of how this would happen but...Occam's razor suggests that it is just this that is happening. The idea that there is some sort of subterranean drive-way with that amount of traffic...well, sorry but it's just ludicrous, and I'm even surprised that someone of your intelligence could even countenance it.
But the voices are different, I grant you - and the sound engineer seemed to think so too. So let's imagine that, instead of an `underground facility`, being down there, there is instead a cavity, a small room or two, which is left over from one of the underground toilets, mineshafts or bomb shelters that you mention.
The locals know about it and know how to get down into it. It is therefore used for different purposes at different times. Sometimes post-pub drunks carry take outs down there to carry on with their revelry (which is what some of the dialogues sound like to me), sometimes people go down there to have sex, maybe couples sometimes wander down there to carry on with their rows out of earshot, and...sometimes foolhardy groups of children sneak down there and scare themselves silly by chasing each other around in the dark.
The flushing and machine noises are (as I suggested) the local sewage workers/water board/whatever flushing out the system (as I suggested earlier). The presence of some local ex-cons is just an indication that it's a fairly rough area. They have, presumably done their time and need not be feared any more of the countless other people-with-pasts that surround us daily without our knowing it.
Owzaboutthathen?
So the sound engineer who listened to the tapes seemed convinced that the speaking and screaming sequences where separate from the vehicle noises. He explained this- weirdly - as being due to the vehicle noises being recordings.
I have listened to quite a lot, but by no means all - I have a life- of the five hour recording you have on your website. Much of it (indeed the vast majority if it) seems to consist of the very muffled passing of cars and bikes on a fairly busy road.
This is a very good point, it is a big commitment to listen to a whole 5 hour recording, or a 24 hour round the clock recording.
Not all of the noises that are recorded will be coming from underneath the ground, noises could be traveling along a tunnel or a shaft, and remember a lot of what we released were recordings taken after 11.30 at night,
To my mind this is likely as sometimes voices can be heard for a short while, and then nothing.
Initially I thought this was perhaps someone walking past in the street, but on some occasions the same person is talking, then it goes quiet, then they can be heard again, each time there is an accompanying noise, I think this could be a door or trapdoor being opened.
I would be almost willing to stake my genitals on those sounds being just that: the sounds of a nearby street that had somehow carried into your basement.
Now I do gamble from time to time, but I will pass on this one
I have no idea of the technicalities of how this would happen but...Occam's razor suggests that it is just this that is happening.
I guess you all know this, but I will post it as a reference point:
Occam’s razor is a principle of theory construction or evaluation according to which, other things equal, explanations that posit fewer entities, or fewer kinds of entities, are to be preferred to explanations that posit more.
It is sometimes misleadingly characterized as a general recommendation of simpler explanations over more complex ones.
The idea that there is some sort of subterranean drive-way with that amount of traffic...well, sorry but it's just ludicrous, and I'm even surprised that someone of your intelligence could even countenance it.
I think perhaps you are starting to understand my view point, your right of course, but if someone like me did believe it, their wife believed it and they were backed by many others that said the same, does the theory gain more credibility?
If we take your point :
The idea that there is some sort of subterranean drive-way with that amount of traffic...well, sorry but it's just ludicrous,
And use Occam’s razor we first have to correct the original statement so it becomes capable of being evaluated
Although the noises are coming from underneath the ground, it does not mean that there is a subterranean drive way with a
high volume of traffic, although the volume of traffic give the time of night is something I have pondered on.
And of course you do further your statement:
But the voices are different, I grant you - and the sound engineer seemed to think so too.
So let's imagine that, instead of an `underground facility`, being down there, there is instead a cavity, a small room or two, which is left over from one of the underground toilets, mineshafts or bomb shelters that you mention.
The locals know about it and know how to get down into it.
It is therefore used for different purposes at different times.
Sometimes post-pub drunks carry take outs down there to carry on with their revelry (which is what some of the dialogues sound like to me), sometimes people go down there to have sex, maybe couples sometimes wander down there to carry on with their rows out of earshot, and...sometimes foolhardy groups of children sneak down there and scare themselves silly by chasing each other around in the dark.
Of course there would have to be an entrance that was known for this to be plausible, when the matter was widely
published in 2018/2019 I received many emails from people telling me about many things.
That is actually how I came to know about a lot of the information, some mentioned other tunnels in the area, but not one
mentioned any form of entrance, although several people did look doe an entrance but to no avail.
An entrance was located about a half a mile away (as the crow flies) by a lady who says that there is a tunnel entrance across the road from Bubbles launderette in Ammanford, she the entrance was fat too get in to the tunnel but could see it went in three directions.
I have no way of verifying what she says though.
The flushing and machine noises are (as I suggested) the local sewage workers/water board/whatever flushing out the system (as I suggested earlier).
We have a 24 hour recording, in it the flushing noise can be heard every hour,
On one occasion we lifted the drain cover in the alleyway (this is documented in our first documentary), the flushing noises coincided with liquid appearing in the drain in the alleyway.
The fumes from that liquid were very strong, our eyes started streaming, our noses started running almost instantly and the fumes caught in the back of my throat,
The presence of some local ex-cons is just an indication that it's a fairly rough area.
Local ex-cons? Of the two convicted criminals that I mentioned one was Turkish and the other Vietnamese, if you have a look at the crime statistics Ammanford seems no worse than most
Crime Statistics for Rhydaman (Ammanford), Penybanc, Carmarthenshire (ilivehere.co.uk)
They have, presumably done their time and need not be feared any more of the countless other people-with-pasts
that surround us daily without our knowing it.
Owzaboutthathen?
Not bad, well thought out.
4 out of 5, you would have got 5 out of 5, but considering betting your genitals?
A miner once made a video inside Ammanford mine, its about a 10 – 15 minute watch, it shows just how big it actually was:
Underground at Betws Mine - YouTube
Best regards
Alan
