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Novichok In Salisbury: Secret Agents & Nerve Agents In Britain

kamalktk said:
Burnt steak?
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Coastaljames said:
A public message that says, "look everyone, we're totally inept and incompetent!"

Not buying it. These people move in circles. If a message was meant to get to Skripal...and anyone like him it would be done without us knowing. It would be easy.
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No, if we consider the official version, it doesn't make sense. Even the idea that in a covert murder operation by a secret service, a message may be sent alongside a murder attempt (which indeed, sometimes happens), does not appear to explain the situation. When a message is sent, it is not to the public, but to people in the need to be warned. Moreover, the authors couldn't not know that given the international context, it would result in a serious deterioration of relations of the USA and European countries with Russia. For Russian operatives, punishing a mere defector was not worth the price, in addition to going against all established rules (even if as it has been claimed, Skripal had allegedly violated the terms of the agreement, by cooperating again with the British services). Which means that those who were behind the attack tried to deteriorate the said relations. And rules out Putin, as such a worsening was the last thing he needed at the time (and definitely goes against the character he has exibited since he came to power).
Which leaves, if we rule out the unlikely posibility of a private act, only two possibilities : the British Deep State, which makes sense, as they have been pushing against Russia for years, and were at the time preparing a strike on Syria, with the help of another false flag chemical attack, and would account for multiple inconsistencies. Or a Russian extremist faction, of the opinion that Putin is too soft and intent on driving him to respond militarily to Western anti-Russian campaigns. Indeed, a look at commentaries in the Russian press shows that many are of the opinion that a military answer is the best way to treat the Western threat. But as the British government would likely know, or suspect that the Russian government as such is not behind the attack, but would try to benefit from the situation by issuing false accusations, we would be back to the previous option.
 
They were members of the Russian door knocker enthusiasts society and had been tipped off that there was a particularly fine example on a door in Salisbury, so just had to visit no matter what the consequences.
That the said knocker just happened to be on the door of a defected Russian spy is a total coincidence.
 
The latest reports suggest that tests on the couple taken ill yesterday are still ongoing. Furthermore, the woman dining at the adjacent table claims the police told her the couple were Russian. OK, so I'm kinda willing to accept that the man had some sort of seizure, unrelated to Novichok and his partner suffered hysteria as a result. Still seems rather odd though.
Is is a case of mass-hysteria, whereby anyone feeling a bit dicky whilst dining out in Salisbury now is going to fear the worst henceforth?

https://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/sussex-mum-was-next-to-diners-in-novichok-scare-1-8638088
 
"Also from Bellingcat, their passports had GRU identifiers on them:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1040673204002533379
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Keen-eyed journalists at
@novaya_gazeta
noticed something we didn't in our Skripal report: the number indicated on Petrov's passport file next to "Don't release information" is the Russian Ministry of Defense. Specifically, where the GRU is headquartered.


The passport number was also issued by the "VIP" Federal Migration service (unit 770-001), which is used in sensitive or high-profile cases (such as, famously, Depardieu, as
@OldLentach
noted)."



these said this, those said that , their passports had these things on them... blah blah ... where are the scans of their passports that have all this incriminating information on them ?

hang on

It's not allowed to see Passport information in the wild !! its sensitive data... you know like your passport ???

so how would the media and papers have access to such personal data ????

comments like, their passports issued in 2009 do not show any information of where they had been prior to 2009

come on FFS does your ten year passport have all the info from the one you had before or is it a new blank one ???

We rang the telephone numbers on their passports and it went to the Defence Ministry in Russia ???

REALLY !!!

Oh and whoever asked if I was Russian NO I AM NOT...
I am concerned about how the Media is controlling people and influencing people in such ways !!!
 
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Documents obtained by investigative journalists appear to have provided the first public proof of links between the Salisbury novichok attack suspects and the Russian government.

A passport issued to Alexander Petrov, one of the two suspects, bears a “top secret” stamp and a phone number associated with the country’s defence ministry.


British detectives have accused Mr Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov of being Russian military intelligence agents who poisoned former GRU agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in March, in an attack that had two unintended victims in Dawn Sturgess, who died after coming into contact with the deadly nerve agent, and her partner Charlie Rowley."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...a-skripal-putin-petrov-boshirov-a8539666.html

since when can Jounalists obtain personal sensitive data of the type of Passport information ?

where is this photo of a passport that says TOP SECRET !!!

show it boys
 
Worth pointing out that, as far as Bellingcat goes, most of this seems to be related to internal passports, not international ones; your contention may well still be valid – but the difference is an important one.

From what I can gather, the pre-2009 thing is not about their travel habits before this date, but the fact that they don't appear to exist in the 'central Russian resident database' (whatever that is - presumably some sort of census) at all, before this date.

The (internal) passport does not have a stamp saying 'Top Secret' - but includes data which is understood to indicate that the holder is a member of the security services - which would make more sense for an internal passport. The press does make a complete bodge of explaining this - presumably because 'top secret' sounds cooler than a random set of letters or numbers.

..and who are Bellingcat where this information originated ?...
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Well, for that matter, who is Graham Phillips? His top ten bullet points look like fairly adolescent point scoring to me – some of those points being virtually contentless (what does dropping out of uni and selling underwear have to do with anything?)

Bellingcat may well be full of shit - but dissing one bloke on the internet on the sole basis of what another bloke on the internet says seems to me to be more about patronage than anything else.
 
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Point taken on the one bloke saying one bloke is dodgy..

but there are pages and pages of the "independant" Bellingcat !!!

to how they are funded, to how they faked stories relating to crashed airliners to much more... for the Independant to use their research as PROOF is decidedly dodgy !!..

purely from my point of view

1. The time line seems wrong for where they where and where the victims were etc
2. The evidence seems fabricated ( at best difficult to confirm as real )
3. Why were they so bad at what they did ! real Messy...
4. Why didnt they get poisoned too ?
5. If they were the ones, they would have been vanished by now ! not appearing on TV
6. why ?.. Who benefits from all this break up of relations with Russia ?
7. The start of the new cold war ?
 
"Highly probable" that Pussy Riot member was deliberately poisoned. Now showing signs of recovery after being evacuated to Berlin. Also, opposition politician and Putin critic Vladimir Kara-Murza has survived two poison attacks.
Just to highlight the fact that not all poisoning attacks against critics of the Kremlin result in death.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...er-poisoned-say-german-doctors-pyotr-verzilov
 
Analis said:
No, if we consider the official version, it doesn't make sense. Even the idea that in a covert murder operation by a secret service, a message may be sent alongside a murder attempt (which indeed, sometimes happens), does not appear to explain the situation. When a message is sent, it is not to the public, but to people in the need to be warned. Moreover, the authors couldn't not know that given the international context, it would result in a serious deterioration of relations of the USA and European countries with Russia. For Russian operatives, punishing a mere defector was not worth the price, in addition to going against all established rules (even if as it has been claimed, Skripal had allegedly violated the terms of the agreement, by cooperating again with the British services). Which means that those who were behind the attack tried to deteriorate the said relations. And rules out Putin, as such a worsening was the last thing he needed at the time (and definitely goes against the character he has exibited since he came to power).
Which leaves, if we rule out the unlikely posibility of a private act, only two possibilities : the British Deep State, which makes sense, as they have been pushing against Russia for years, and were at the time preparing a strike on Syria, with the help of another false flag chemical attack, and would account for multiple inconsistencies. Or a Russian extremist faction, of the opinion that Putin is too soft and intent on driving him to respond militarily to Western anti-Russian campaigns. Indeed, a look at commentaries in the Russian press shows that many are of the opinion that a military answer is the best way to treat the Western threat. But as the British government would likely know, or suspect that the Russian government as such is not behind the attack, but would try to benefit from the situation by issuing false accusations, we would be back to the previous option.
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None of us knows exactly what happened. What you choose to believe is of course entirely up to you.

Remember that a few pages back you were trying to convince us that Russia had nothing to do with the Litvinenko polonium assassination despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And which by the way, was under Putin's watch & almost beyond any doubt state sanctioned - the main perpetrator is now an MP - it's hard to conclude from that it was anything other than state sanctioned, which would seem to contradict your statement:

And rules out Putin, as such a worsening was the last thing he needed at the time (and definitely goes against the character he has exibited since he came to power).
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So you think the Skripal perpetrators are from the "British Deep State". They would have to be either state sanctioned or rogue operators acting on their own. Which do you reckon it is? The motive being 'to facilitate bad feeling & possible action of some sort against Russia'.

What about this

the British Deep State, which makes sense, as they have been pushing against Russia for years, and were at the time preparing a strike on Syria, with the help of another false flag chemical attack, and would account for multiple inconsistencies.
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How do you know about this "planned false flag chemical attack by the British Deep State"? Do you have military intelligence connections? Perhaps you can let us know. I might have more faith in your analysis if you do.

And the Pussy Riot man 'probably poisoned' - perhaps the British Deep State people popped over to Russia & did the deed [for some reason] but didn't succeed again..
 
More and more odd, strange, bizarre.

A hoax is likely to be one line of inquiry after a couple apparently fell ill in a Salisbury restaurant on Sunday prompting a major incident, police sources have told the BBC.

Alex King, 42, was admitted to hospital with his wife, six months after a nerve agent attack in the same city. Mr King is a convicted criminal and once hoaxed Prince Charles. Police sources said until the man had been spoken to, "we can't rule anything in or out".

On Tuesday, Mr King's wife, Anna Shapiro, 30, told the Sun that the Russian state had poisoned her and her husband in Prezzo. The paper reported it was "what security sources fear was a suspected rat poison attack".

Ms Shapiro is a model and an Israeli citizen of Russian heritage. ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45580825
 
"How do you know about this "planned false flag chemical attack by the British Deep State"? Do you have military intelligence connections? Perhaps you can let us know. I might have more faith in your analysis if you do."

those sort of comments always make me laugh :) Perhaps you would ask next for the real perps to meet you for a drink and a natter at your local ?
 
Hunck

In what way does Russia benefit from this ?
If they did indeed state sanction it ?

Plenty of other more direct ways to get everybody's back up than this..
 
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