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This is an interesting article explaining the down sides of octopus farms. One reason concerns ethics, and another concerns environmental impacts.
Scientists Have Warned That We Absolutely Must Not Farm Octopuses

There's no denying that keeping livestock has deeply benefited humanity over the millennia. But, while sheep and cows may have adapted well to farm life, there's one animal humans like to eat that would fare poorly in farms.

Octopuses, scientists have argued in a May 2019 essay, should never be farmed - not just because of their intelligence, but because of the environmental impacts such farms would create.

It's already started. Global demand for octopus as a food is on the rise, which last year saw prices soaring amid poor supply.

The yield of octopuses fished in the wild is variable, which in turn contributes to an unreliable supply - hence attempts to farm octopuses have already commenced. In multiple countries around the world, efforts are underway to produce an octopus farm, including trials of genetic modifications to accelerate cephalopod aquaculture.

This, of course, would produce some known environmental impacts, a team of environmental scientists, philosophers and psychiatrists writes in a recent edition of Issues in Science and Technology.

Such impacts include nitrogen and phosphorus pollution from animal waste, interbreeding and the spread of disease, and loss of habitat, to name a few.

But the biggest environmental concern is the octopus diet. Like most farmed aquatic creatures, they're carnivores, and need fish protein and oil in their diet. And octopus larvae only eat live food - that has to come from somewhere.

"Feeding most farmed aquatic animals puts additional pressure on wild fish and invertebrates for fishmeal," the researchers wrote.

"Around one-third of the global fish catch is turned into feed for other animals, roughly half of which goes to aquaculture. Many fishmeal fisheries are subject to overfishing and are declining."

Octopuses need a lot of food - at least three times the weight of the animal over its lifetime - and making sure their needs are met in factory farms would create more, not less pressure on these already declining fisheries. This would likely decrease global food security for humans.

But, even if this problem could be solved, keeping octopuses in factory farms would be cruel.

If you've ever been to a marine aquarium, you likely know this. Octopuses are well known for their intelligence and problem-solving skills. Toys are often kept in the octopus tanks to keep the cephalopods from getting bored.

They can open jars, recognise individual humans, remember puzzles they've been given before, even escape an aquarium when they've had enough (so, you know, that's a consideration too - imagine an entire farm of octopuses making a jailbreak).

They've also shown worrying behaviours in captivity, including cannibalism, and eating the tips of their own tentacles (which could be the result of an infectious disease). In an environment with no stimulation, these animals grow frustrated and bored.

"Beyond their basic biological health and safety, octopuses are likely to want high levels of cognitive stimulation, as well as opportunities to explore, manipulate, and control their environment," the scientists wrote. "Intensive farm systems are inevitably hostile to these attributes."

At the moment, there are some pretty big challenges to overcome even getting an octopus farm off the ground, such as keeping the young animals alive through to adulthood. But technological advances could see that change.

Research is surging ahead around the world. Octopus farming experimentation in Mexico has reported breakthroughs in the last decade, and a Japanese seafood company has reported successfully hatching eggs in 2017. They have predicted they'd have farmed octopus on the market next year.

With so many problems already evident, the scientists are hoping this can be nipped in the bud.

"It is our hope that if such an option does become practical, society will recognise the serious welfare and environmental problems associated with such projects and octopus farming will be discouraged or prevented," they wrote.

"Better still would be for governments, private companies, and academic institutions to stop investing in octopus farming now and to instead focus their efforts on achieving a truly sustainable and compassionate future for food production."

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-warned-that-we-absolutely-must-not-farm-octopuses
 
"This, of course, would produce some known environmental impacts, a team of environmental scientists, philosophers and psychiatrists writes in a recent edition of Issues in Science and Technology."

Do they have octopus psychiatrists?
 
... Do they have octopus psychiatrists?

The published paper is accessible at:

https://issues.org/the-case-against-octopus-farming/

Of the four authors listed, only one is described as being in a psych***** field:

Walter Sánchez-Suárez is a postdoctoral researcher in the School of Psychology at the University of Sussex.

He's affiliated with a university in Spain, and has published on neuroscience, behavioral, and moral issues relating to animals.

My guess is that his specialty is ethology (animal behavior; behavior from a biological perspective), and not a "psychiatrist" in any sense of that term.
 
The published paper is accessible at:

https://issues.org/the-case-against-octopus-farming/

Of the four authors listed, only one is described as being in a psych***** field:



He's affiliated with a university in Spain, and has published on neuroscience, behavioral, and moral issues relating to animals.

My guess is that his specialty is ethology (animal behavior; behavior from a biological perspective), and not a "psychiatrist" in any sense of that term.
Cool, thanks. I suddenly want to give an octopus a rubiks cube but that's probably asking a bit much.
 
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Bad news for octopuses. It looks like a company in the Canary Islands is planning to go ahead with farming them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-64814781

A plan to build the world's first octopus farm has raised deep concerns among scientists over the welfare of the famously intelligent creatures.
The farm in Spain's Canary Islands would raise about a million octopuses annually for food, according to confidential documents seen by the BBC.
They have never been intensively farmed and some scientists call the proposed icy water slaughtering method "cruel."
The Spanish multinational behind the plans denies the octopuses will suffer.
The confidential planning proposal documents from the company, Nueva Pescanova, were given to the BBC by the campaign organisation Eurogroup for Animals.
 
We eat them, why not farm them?

maximus otter
I think they're too alien to eat.
And they are curiously intelligent. We shouldn't really be eating other species that have a high level of sentience.

Come to think of it, maybe we should stop eating pigs for that reason? But... bacon...
 
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We eat them, why not farm them?

maximus otter
The article goes into much more detail but in a nutshell there are a great many ethical and animal husbandry issues from piling very intelligent, solitary and cannibalistic animals together into bare tanks. Add to that the extra pressure on wild fish stocks which will need to be caught to feed them, then the pollution caused from the farm which will then be pumped back out to sea. Oh, and the fact that it wouldn't even reduce pressure on wild octopuses as it would just open new markets, increasing demand.
 
The article goes into much more detail but in a nutshell there are a great many ethical and animal husbandry issues from piling very intelligent, solitary and cannibalistic animals together into bare tanks. Add to that the extra pressure on wild fish stocks which will need to be caught to feed them, then the pollution caused from the farm which will then be pumped back out to sea. Oh, and the fact that it wouldn't even reduce pressure on wild octopuses as it would just open new markets, increasing demand.

Interesting, but all solvable.

maximus otter
 
Some think that Octopi have extra terrestrial origins, what happens when their relatives turn up and find we imprisoned their kith and kin in concentration camps?
 
Some think that Octopi have extra terrestrial origins, what happens when their relatives turn up and find we imprisoned their kith and kin in concentration camps?
Cthulhu might wake up and get nasty!
 
Family-size KFC octopus buckets!

maximus otter
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You'd think they'd be hard to catch, what with having 8 legs an all.
 
Great Twilight Zone episode featuring an alien octopus.

The Twilight Zone Season 2 Episode 6​


... While a group of underwater researches on a near-future sealab is hanging out, some of them are watching something on TV about sharks. Yes, that’s Rod Serling’s voice, but the crew isn’t watching an old Twilight Zone, it’s the narration Serling recorded for the 1968-1975 American version of The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau, better known to many of us as The Life Aquatic, only real. Does The Twilight Zone exist in an episode of The Twilight Zone? Thankfully, you don’t have to think about that too long, because pretty soon the plot from Alien takes over and things start to get exciting.

Why is this the plot from Alien? Well, in theory, a guy named Rudd (Joel McHale) is leading a team of researchers who are investigating displaced underwater creatures that have generally been screwed-over by climate change. But it turns out that Rudd, along with crewmember Channing (Nadia Hilker) are not down here to help animals, but instead, to capture a specific type of octopus and harvest it for a pharmaceutical company called Troxell. So yeah, just like the Nostromo was actually sent to pick-up the alien in Alien, these people were actually looking for a murderous octopus.

Turns out this octopus is capable of turning straight-up invisible. In real life, this trait exits in something called the Glass Octopus, but the tentacled monsters in this episode are much bigger and much meaner. ...

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/the-twilight-zone-season-2-episode-6-review-8/
 
Interesting, but all solvable.

maximus otter
Indeed.

As an aside: conflating 'octopi will suffer' with 'that must be wrong' is not imho a valid argument. The first statement is a scientific fact, that is, a very well supported hypothesis.

The second statement is suggesting that it's ethically wrong to raise octopi for food because they will experience harm and suffering (it being nigh on impossible to avoid, at some point, causing an animal harm or suffering however briefly, if it's raised for food).

The second statement is an opinion. Anyone is allowed to hold such an opinion, but still just an opinion.
 
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