What Is The Truth About Chemtrails & Spraying?

[ramonmercado]

Dunno, its the type of thing Mandelson would do.

 

[johncbdg1]

Don't know what I am supposed to say but I think its Trolling. Nobody could seriously think the are actually 'spraying' stuff. In the case of the large airliner with the two trails:
- for one they don't come out of anything, they are formed at the edges of the tail fins,
- also has anybody ever thought about where to store such a blooming large amount of 'stuff' inside a plane? Not only that but shouldn't it be propelled by some gas [that I wouldn't now]? If a propellant was needed, where?
- are all the main airlines in on this?


I looked at some other 'chemtrail' site, who seem to waver between the trails being contails, used to change our weather, whilst other entries say they are chemtrails...all on one site [no I won't link to rubbish like that, just google chemtrail images and pick any.

What I couldn't figure out is why these governments 'them', would want to change the weather?
Or if you are on the other side, why would they want to poison us slowly???

And if the OP would have read my first post properly, he wouldn't have needed to imply that I believe governments or official statements blindly, as I have pointed out that I find some conspiracy theories quite viable. I in contrast to the OP have the ability to change my opinion.

Sorry if i misunderstood you,my apologies.
I used to think,could they be spraying chemicals to help seal the ozone hole
and help all spheres?but you would think they would have let everyone know about this?.
That is the first video i have found here posted in the uk that spraying from tail is seen,as the info on this would be they have tanks inside a plane and pipes feed this gas to other parts of the plane? and like you i just do not know way any of them want to the change the weather?i am still looking for the answer.

 

[johncbdg1]

What I couldn't figure out is why these governments 'them', would want to change the weather?
Or if you are on the other side, why would they want to poison us slowly???

That's right. It just defies logic.

I could understand the possibility that an evil foreign power might spray us with deadly toxins or weird viruses to kill us, but they wouldn't do it ever so slowly over a 50 year period. I just couldn't understand it if our own government did it to us.
It is true that some scientists have performed limited experiments to find out if it is possible to slow down global warming, and others have experimented with cloud-seeding to increase rainfall - but I don't think it is possible to have sprayed chemicals on an almost daily basis for 50-odd years. Where do all those chemicals come from? How much do they cost to spray? How come no scientists have found huge concentrations of these chemicals in our bodies or in the soil?
If 'someone' wanted to kill us, they'd do it quickly.

I understand,lots we do not know yet,and so much to find the planes that spray are specifically adapted Military Transport Aircraft,i have been looking at those crafts and if i may post a link to these planes that are used by Military.
http://www.military-aircraft.org.uk/transport-aircraft/
Its worth a look,i do not know what is going on just trying to find out.

 

[johncbdg1]

I'm sorry "john"... but I think you are borderline spamming, if not, straight forwardly so.

I am not posting my links,i have posted links that are important to this debate,i am not spamming anyone just presenting a case for the chemtrails/contrail debate.

 

[Pietro_Mercurios]

Aviation fuel is mostly kerosene (paraffin). For every gallon burned you get a gallon of water, as well as greenhouses gasses like CO and CO2. Since every jet carries thousands of gallons of fuel, that's a lot of water. High in the sky, the air pressure and the temperatures are much lower, these vary considerably. It's just like steam coming out of a very big kettle, inside a freezer, basically. Also, the shape of the plane and it's wings can sweep up the air and create low pressure tubes of turbulence, or slipstreams, inside which water vapour can condense, or ice crystals can develop. So, it might look as if white vapour is being squirted out of funny places, like the tail, or the tips of the wings.

Anyway, why go to all the trouble of purposely pumping toxic chemicals out of planes, when it's so much easier to put them into the likes of plastics, toys and and cling-film?

 

[Dr_Baltar]

Again, I have to ask, where's the evidence? Where's the dwindling population and the increasing premature death rate? Without those theory is just what it looks like, bollocks.

 

[Pietro_Mercurios]

Again, I have to ask, where's the evidence? Where's the dwindling population and the increasing premature death rate? Without those theory is just what it looks like, bollocks.

Unfortunately, that would be the easy bit. One would simply have to develop a binary weapon. Liberally spray for 50 years, then one day, you send up aircraft with the trigger. Spray that and it would be goodnight Vienna.

Of course, those in the know would already have been supplied with an antidote. Ready to go forth and repopulate a suddenly empty Earth.

I'm sure I've read a science fiction story about it, or watched the X-Files episode. :lol:

 

[Dr_Baltar]

Again, I have to ask, where's the evidence? Where's the dwindling population and the increasing premature death rate? Without those theory is just what it looks like, bollocks.

Unfortunately, that would be the easy bit. One would simply have to develop a binary weapon. Liberally spray for 50 years, then one day, you send up aircraft with the trigger. Spray that and it would be goodnight Vienna.

Amongst other places.

You'd still have to wonder why they're taking so long about it. All those valuable resources going to waste while they piss about with this totally inefficient method of reducing the populace. As Machiavellian schemers go, they seem a bit amateur. I've come up with more evil, dastardly schemes in my sleep, and I wouldn't harm a fly.

 

[Analis]

When I had a first look on the chemtrail conspiracy, I was given a completely different story : they were an anti-global warming weapon. They were made to reflect sunlight, and drop temperatures. Of course, it doesn't work if you believe that human made global warming is a hoax !

 

[Dingo667]

When I had a first look on the chemtrail conspiracy, I was given a completely different story : they were an anti-global warming weapon. They were made to reflect sunlight, and drop temperatures. Of course, it doesn't work if you believe that human made global warming is a hoax !

Yet another theory. One that could even make sense to me, explained properly but then why not tell us about it, considering its a 'good thing'. Also global warming wasn't so much of a problem 50 years ago, why waste money?
Also it takes a heck of a long time to start working. If it is accumulative and they are near completion, why not let us know that their global warming will soon stop thanks to their efforts?

Theories so far:
1. Chemtrails are sprayed to harm us.
2. Contrails are made/produced to change the weather.
3. Chemtrails to save the planet from warming.

Which theory is the one discussed on this thread originally?

 

[Dr_Baltar]

Theories so far:
1. Chemtrails are sprayed to harm us.
2. Contrails are made/produced to change the weather.
3. Chemtrails to save the planet from warming.

You missed out:

4. Contrails are condensed water vapour, a natural by-product of burning aviation fuel at high altitude.

 

[Anome]

You missed out:

4. Contrails are condensed water vapour, a natural by-product of burning aviation fuel at high altitude.

Well, if you're going to inject facts, and actual evidence into the debate, you'll take all the fun out. Atmospheric physics is just so boring.

 

[Dr_Baltar]

you'll take all the fun out.

I'm good at that.

 

[titch]

John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!

 

[ramonmercado]

John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!

Ignore Titch! This is Disinformation!


They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!

I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.

 

[stu neville]

It's a fair cop, but a secret society is to blame.

 

[ramonmercado]

It's a fair cop, but a secret society is to blame.

I blame it on the sociologists.

 

[Dr_Baltar]

They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!

I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.

Mossad have been paying you?

I'm very, very angry, very, very angry at being put into this position. I can't tell you how furious I am. I haven't been paid since the end of July and no one cares about it. No one's bothered. They can't be bothered to pay me. Why should I come in? It's a two-way street. What annoys me is the fact I mentioned it to people this week. Fix it, just get it fixed. It's a huge lack of respect and a massive FU to me.

(Chris Moyles' rant continues on p.94)

 

[WhistlingJack]

They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!

I don't know about the others, but I've been getting vouchers from Matalan, C&A and M&S :?

 

[ramonmercado]

They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!

I don't know about the others, but I've been getting vouchers from Matalan, C&A and M&S :?

You are not part of the Inner Circle. Haven't yoiu noticed the odd handshakes?

 

[Analis]

Yet another theory. One that could even make sense to me, explained properly but then why not tell us about it, considering its a 'good thing'. Also global warming wasn't so much of a problem 50 years ago, why waste money?
Also it takes a heck of a long time to start working. If it is accumulative and they are near completion, why not let us know that their global warming will soon stop thanks to their efforts?

I don't buy this theory, but they wouldn't necessarily reveal it. Notably if it involves spreading pollutants, like sulfides and aluminium. They wouldn't fight the global warming by fighting pollution and reducing CO2 production, but by increasing pollution. This not to endanger the profits of big companies, guilty of heavy pollution. This would be a major scandal.

Now, an objection is that we would see the effects of chemtrails on public health. This would be not so easy. Pollution already affects public health, resulting notably in a rise in cancers and a drop in fertility. They're probably caused by pollutants like pesticides, fungicids and herbicids. But if chemtrails played a part, it wouldn't be easy to distinguish it from the role of other pollutants.

 

[Anome]

I'd just like to point out I'm not being paid by anybody. I'm just an enthusiastic amateur.

And those pictures of me with Chiang Kai Shek are forgeries.

 

[stu neville]

..I don't know about the others, but I've been getting vouchers from Matalan, C&A and M&S :?

Whereas mine are from Habitat, Harvey Nicholls and Waitrose.

I suspect Jen's are from Harrods and Fortnum & Mason.

Anyway...

....Now, an objection is that we would see the effects of chemtrails on public health. This would be not so easy. Pollution already affects public health, resulting notably in a rise in cancers and a drop in fertility. They're probably caused by pollutants like pesticides, fungicids and herbicids. But if chemtrails played a part, it wouldn't be easy to distinguish it from the role of other pollutants.

What's still missing is any clear motive. Why would an uncontrollable, indscriminate toxin be liberally sprayed over both populated and abjectly unpopulated areas? What possible gain would there be?

 

[Pietro_Mercurios]

It's true. Considering the number of real toxins we've released into the environment, substances like: DDT; dioxin; chlorfluorocarbons; pthalates; oestrogen-alikes; genetically engineered pesticides; etc, where the main motivations appear to have been a variable combination of ignorance, hubris, stupidity and mostly greed, there doesn't seem to be much evidence of any real actual planning, or intent, involved.

 

[Analis]

What's still missing is any clear motive. Why would an uncontrollable, indscriminate toxin be liberally sprayed over both populated and abjectly unpopulated areas? What possible gain would there be?

I don't believe these theories. I just wanted to point that this objection is not solid : if some people spread pollutants via chemtrails, they would not be easy to evidence, as their effects would be buried under the wider noise of pollution.
If there's really something to it, it would be in my opinion more in the form of limited experimentations. On weapons, to study their effects on the environment, or on epidemiology.
If you take for example the much commented projects described in the Air Force's Air University entitled Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025, it is not impossible that they are experimentated. We know that various experiments were conducted by various countries, sometimes endangering public health, including some involving apersions, of germs for example. Sometimes they were deliberately seeking to endanger populations or the environment. Obviously, putting people lives at risk and environmental dangers are not much of a concern to the military and many scientists. I wouldn't bet my life that such experimentations do not happen anymore.

As for contrails, they do have an effect on climate. After 11 september 2001, when all air traffic was closed, temperatures rose by 1°C, despite that weather conditions remained constant.

 

[Dr_Baltar]

As for contrails, they do have an effect on climate. After 11 september 2001, when all air traffic was closed, temperatures rose by 1°C, despite that weather conditions remained constant.

The findings of that study are moot at best.

 

[titch]

John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!

Ignore Titch! This is Disinformation!


They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!

I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.

DO NOT IGNORE ME! I AM WRITING IN CAPS!!! AND THROWING IN LOTS OF!!!!!! THIS PROVES I AM TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ramonmercado]

John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!

Ignore Titch! This is Disinformation!


They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!

I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.

DO NOT IGNORE ME! I AM WRITING IN CAPS!!! AND THROWING IN LOTS OF!!!!!! THIS PROVES I AM TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone just objected to me using !s

They were at the end of a series of campaign demands. I know random !s look odd but do these !s look odd in context?

* No to any imperialist intervention. The immediate and unconditional end to sanctions on Iran!

* No to the theocratic regime!

* Opposition to Israeli expansionism and aggression!

* Support to all working class and progressive struggles in Iran against poverty and repression!

* Support for socialism, democracy and workers' control in Iran!

* For a nuclear-free Middle East as a step towards a nuclear-free world!

 

[Timble2]

Yesterday morning (08;15) looking South East, CONTRAILS and clouds, not chemtrails.....
Even gets that X-Files touch..

 

[johncbdg1]

John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!

Well worry never,do i care who they are no.