What Is The Truth About Chemtrails & Spraying?

[johncbdg1]

This is to anyone pro-chemtrails:
Has anyone actually read my last comment? Seems not. So much for 'discussion'

I could just write the whole lot again but I really can't be bothered. Please see my reasoning and at least try and think about it. In the same way I read all the pro-stuff, think about it and try to find one iota of anything that could make me feel intrigued about it.
The way these 'discussions' go is like trying to talk to religious people. They talk but never listen.

I repeat, I'm all for conspiracies and I believe in a couple myself. Is it worth looking for reasonable explanations before blindly believing? Is it worth thinking and even writing thoughts about it on this thread?
I get the feeling it isn't. I'd like answers to my propositions, concerns and possible explanations.
:?

I take it you could get tests done,all you would need is a Jet powered Hang Glider fly through the chem cloud,and then get samples get it tested,and then you will become a hero one way or another.

 

[Mythopoeika]

A 'jet-powered hang glider' would not go high enough.

 

[Dingo667]

Or a plane

 

[rynner2]

Crop-spraying planes fly very low. Contrails form very high.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail )

If a contrail was also a chemtrail, the chemicals would be hugely dispersed by the time they reach the surface. As most of the Earth's surface is ocean, that's where most of the chemicals would end up. Even most of the stuff that reached land would eventually be washed to the sea.

If somebody wanted to put chemicals into the sea, it's far easier (and cheaper) to pour them in directly, rather than fly them up to 26,000 feet or more and spray them out of a plane.

If someone wanted to put chemicals into the air to influence people's behaviour, spraying from aircraft would not provide an adequate concentration, and most of the chemicals would end up in the sea. For this purpose, some kind of nebuliser on the roofs of city buildings would be far more efficient and better targeted. But the perpetrators would have to go round wearing gas masks, or they too would be affected...

In short, the idea of chemtrails is bollocks!

 

[stu neville]

...In short, the idea of chemtrails is bollocks!

But, as you and I and indeed most people know, that's what they want us to think.

As Dingo rightly pointed out, CTs transcend logic and plain sense. Once gripped by such a theory, sane, rational people can find themselves in a hall of mirrors, where things can all too easily be not as they seem. And that's the sane, rational ones.

I'll say it once more - I've looked long and hard, and I for one don't believe in chemtrails.

And I'll tell you what, I'm adding a poll to this thread, to test general opinion.

Edit - done. Cast your votes!

 

[Heckler]

And I'll tell you what, I'm adding a poll to this thread, to test general opinion.

Edit - done. Cast your votes!

All this will prove though is that the board really is divided into three distinct groups, 1. Sheeple, 2.Intelligence services /New World Order/Reptilian/all of the preceeding three, misinformation agents or 3. Those who know the "Truth".

 

[johncbdg1]

A 'jet-powered hang glider' would not go high enough.

Over here some times you could use jet-powered hang glider.

 

[johncbdg1]

Or a plane

If you can then do it,and bring this to a end one way or another,i want the truth no matter what the outcome may be.

 

[johncbdg1]

...In short, the idea of chemtrails is bollocks!

But, as you and I and indeed most people know, that's what they want us to think.

As Dingo rightly pointed out, CTs transcend logic and plain sense. Once gripped by such a theory, sane, rational people can find themselves in a hall of mirrors, where things can all too easily be not as they seem. And that's the sane, rational ones.

I'll say it once more - I've looked long and hard, and I for one don't believe in chemtrails.

And I'll tell you what, I'm adding a poll to this thread, to test general opinion.

Edit - done. Cast your votes!

I would never had thought there was so many believers here,so keep the votes coming,Dingo get the tests done.

 

[Heckler]

I would never had thought there was so many believers here,so keep the votes coming,Dingo get the tests done.

I'm not sure one believer out of seven votes cast counts as 'many'.

 

[Dingo667]

Sometimes life suggests that our opinions are wrong. There is no harm in 'letting it lie' ['oh you wouldn't let it lie...'].
Opinion poll at the moment 14:1, of course the 14 can't be 100% sure but with all evidence together, they can be as close to 99.9999% as you can get:

- 'Spraying' has apparently gone on for at least 50 years but not once has concern be raised by any capable bodies, even though there are thousands of influential environmentalists out there.

- Experiments have been mentioned but they are known and steps are being discussed in order to regulate them.

- Even schoolchildren know about contrails, once you read up on how they are formed, they don't look like 'scary stripes' anymore [knowledge is power].

-Contrails can be observed on all kinds of planes, especially jets that are flying people to their holiday destinations. Not all airlines in the world can possibly be 'in' on the secret. I can imagine Richard Branson wouldn't be too happy if his planes would be used for 'dodgy' doings but guess what, his planes make the same trails.

- Everyone has seen a contrail, everyone, including scientists and engineers and also people who are with Greenpeace and other eco friendly groups. Yet none of them has organised a test of said trails because they all know that those trails should be there by the law of physics and chemistry.

-No health problems can be linked to those trails. [I mean no provable direct links].

However there are a handful of people with no accreditations around the globe that ignore all facts and pick a few weak reasons to desperately find something sinister in contrails.
I agree it could be a 'lovely' conspiracy if it had any meat on its bones. For me to get suspicious would take the following:

1. Newspaper coverage, rising alert to high readings by agricultural or meteorological people or by doctors finding high levels of unknowns in our blood.
2. A paper written by scientists who were suspicious for years and who have now found the data to be concerned about.

3. Historical concerns being found in the form of documents hidden away for years by governments [not just one but considering contrails exist in every country a plane flies over, it has to be a hell of a lot of governments!]

4. Proper data, by proper people basically.

Somehow I find masochistic pleasure in listing all these obvious reasons again and again just to have them ignored or twisted.
I do not expect anyone to change their beliefs just because evidence to the contrary exists but seeing people 'suffer' unnecessarily, making their life so much scarier for no reason makes me want to help, I want to tell them that 'yes there is a lot of scary shit out there but this ain't part of it'!

 

[Dingo667]

I've found it, the 'rainbow', enjoy:
'We as a nation got to ask ourselves what is going on...'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3qFdbUEq5s

 

[rynner2]

High class fuckwittery!

Whatever causes those low down rainbows must be in the sea as well, as you can see them in the spray from the bow wave of ships!

 

[Anome]

It's only since the government have been putting that nasty dihydrogen oxide in the water supply that this has been happening.

 

[Mythopoeika]

It's only since the government have been putting that nasty dihydrogen oxide in the water supply that this has been happening.

Dihydrogen monoxide.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Or a plane

If you can then do it,and bring this to a end one way or another,i want the truth no matter what the outcome may be.

Why don't you?
You're the one who believes in this stuff.

 

[johncbdg1]

Or a plane

If you can then do it,and bring this to a end one way or another,i want the truth no matter what the outcome may be.

Why don't you?
You're the one who believes in this stuff.

I do not like flying,but may be i could get some one.

Yes i do believe in many things, and yes i think it should be looked into.

 

[johncbdg1]

Crop-spraying planes fly very low. Contrails form very high.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail )

If a contrail was also a chemtrail, the chemicals would be hugely dispersed by the time they reach the surface. As most of the Earth's surface is ocean, that's where most of the chemicals would end up. Even most of the stuff that reached land would eventually be washed to the sea.

If somebody wanted to put chemicals into the sea, it's far easier (and cheaper) to pour them in directly, rather than fly them up to 26,000 feet or more and spray them out of a plane.

If someone wanted to put chemicals into the air to influence people's behaviour, spraying from aircraft would not provide an adequate concentration, and most of the chemicals would end up in the sea. For this purpose, some kind of nebuliser on the roofs of city buildings would be far more efficient and better targeted. But the perpetrators would have to go round wearing gas masks, or they too would be affected...

In short, the idea of chemtrails is bollocks!

Some of the geo-engineering schemes proposed include:

Ocean fertilization. Large areas are sprinkled with iron or other nutrients to artificially spur growth of phytoplankton, which soak up carbon dioxide. But this could trigger harmful algal blooms, soak up nutrients and kill fish and other animals

 

[ramonmercado]

John

I don't dismiss everything odd. If I did I wouldn't be a Fortean but I really don't see any conspiracy vast or otherwise here.

Maybe in the fog of discussing chemtrails something is being missed.

Like 9/11 I don't think much of most of the theories but I figure one is mostly being ignored: where were the USAF jets? Why did it take them so long to get going?
Gore Vidal wrote an aericle on that.

 

[Heckler]

1 for, 27 against, I think the nays have it.

 

[johncbdg1]

1 for, 27 against, I think the nays have it.

Yes looks like they have the vote in here?

 

[OldTimeRadio]

I voted in the vast (negative) majority here but I still puzzle over vapor trails I witnessed 10 or 12 years ago being formed directly over a very busy traffic intersection in my neighborhood.

Two jet planes busily created a chess- or checker-style playing board in the sky.

The question is WHY?

 

[ramonmercado]

I voted in the vast (negative) majority here but I still puzzle over vapor trails I witnessed 10 or 12 years ago being formed directly over a very busy traffic intersection in my neighborhood.

Two jet planes busily created a chess- or checker-style playing board in the sky.

The question is WHY?

It was a long term mind control plan by the republicans. Its come to fruition this year as they swept the Ohio State elections.

 

[Anome]

Any nuclear tests near there? A grid of vapour/smoke lines is used in monitoring nuclear tests, and no doubt other experiments.

 

[Analis]

Don't know if it has already been posted, but here's an example of sprayings with military purposes (no relation to chemtrails however...) :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002 ... calscience

Millions were in germ war tests

Sunday 21 April 2002 10.23 BST Article history

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
[email protected].

Striking as they always insist that the experiments are harmless, despite that they use compounds or germs that are know to be dangerous. The same was said of similar experiments above the USA, despite that people reportedly died. I suppose that to them, "harmless" means that there are only a few fatalities, and that they are expandable.
Who would bet his/her life that it doesn't happen anymore ? "Asked whether such test are still being carried out, she said : "It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research"." Such suspicions have aroused, for example, with the anomalous 'biological' rains at Oakville on 7 August 1994.

 

[coaly]

Is it just me... or has this been done before on here, or another FTMB thread? Possibly the Wikileaks one, or something.

 

[Vardoger]

A "chemtrail" video filmed from a FEDEX airplane. Looks suspicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78rKNoR4T0w&sns=em

 

[Mythopoeika]

A "chemtrail" video filmed from a FEDEX airplane. Looks suspicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78rKNoR4T0w&sns=em

That bit about spraying blood in the title is hysterical BS. You can quite clearly see that the red/orange colour is caused by the crepuscular rays of the sun as it goes down at the horizon.

 

[Cherrybomb]

A "chemtrail" video filmed from a FEDEX airplane. Looks suspicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78rKNoR4T0w&sns=em

That bit about spraying blood in the title is hysterical BS. You can quite clearly see that the red/orange colour is caused by the crepuscular rays of the sun as it goes down at the horizon.

Yeh, I was rather looking forward to seeing some blood being sprayed! Can't believe this "chemtrail" thing is still rattling on

 

[Nils Meijer]

well, this is a speech by Dane Wigington at geoengineeringwatch.org, as usual you get some quite scary quotes like these:
'the u.s. military is bigger than the next ten largest militaries combined'
'the geoengineering card was played seven decades ago, and now the damage is irreparable'
'total biosphere collapse is here, now'