Jonfairway
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just gets better and better don't it !!!!!!!!!!
Osama Bin Laden Is Dead
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The writing certainly doesn't!
Was it a liquid lunch at the Tele, or were there work experience boys in for the day?
- How do you stamp an email before you send it?
- 'Navy officer'? If you like... 'Naval officer' is preferred.
- What is 'the ship's leadership'? Bodies of men have leaders, not ships.
- 'Traditional procedures was followed.'??
- 'After the words were complete'? Were there letters missing?
Was it a liquid lunch at the Tele, or were there work experience boys in for the day?
- How do you stamp an email before you send it?
- 'Navy officer'? If you like... 'Naval officer' is preferred.
- What is 'the ship's leadership'? Bodies of men have leaders, not ships.
- 'Traditional procedures was followed.'??
- 'After the words were complete'? Were there letters missing?
I posted this in another thread, and realized it fits here better.
Paul Craig Roberts recently wrote an article which includes a translation of an interview with a Pakistani man who claims to have witnessed the whole raid from his rooftop next door.
In short, he says that the "Osama compound" was his neighbor's house, and his neighbor was not Osama Bin Laden. He says a helicopter landed, dropped off a group of soldiers. He said they were speaking Pashtu(Afghani language), telling people to stay in their houses or they would be shot. He says 20 minutes later, the helicopter returned, picked them up, and as it was taking off, it exploded, killing all on board. He says everyone from the neighborhood went over to see, and were on the scene and saw body parts and no survivors.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09 ... g-roberts/
Paul Craig Roberts recently wrote an article which includes a translation of an interview with a Pakistani man who claims to have witnessed the whole raid from his rooftop next door.
In short, he says that the "Osama compound" was his neighbor's house, and his neighbor was not Osama Bin Laden. He says a helicopter landed, dropped off a group of soldiers. He said they were speaking Pashtu(Afghani language), telling people to stay in their houses or they would be shot. He says 20 minutes later, the helicopter returned, picked them up, and as it was taking off, it exploded, killing all on board. He says everyone from the neighborhood went over to see, and were on the scene and saw body parts and no survivors.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09 ... g-roberts/
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Interesting interview with the Pulitzer prize winning journalist, Seymour Hersh, in the Guardian.
Hersh won his Pulitzer for exposing the May Lai Massacre.
Rest of the interview at link.
Hersh won his Pulitzer for exposing the May Lai Massacre.
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I think this fits here.
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New theories about the Bin Laden raid. The gist is that the Pakistanis knew about his presence and made a deal with the U.S. for him to be whisked off and then - after a few days - they'd claim he'd been struck by a drone attack somewhere in the Hindu Kush. For reasons unclear, the U.S. reneged on the deal and announced his death early and dropped the cover story. There's quite a lot more, and surprisingly it's all by a respected writer:
The Killing of Osama bin Laden
Seymour M. Hersh
It’s been four years since a group of US Navy Seals assassinated Osama bin Laden in a night raid on a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The killing was the high point of Obama’s first term, and a major factor in his re-election. The White House still maintains that the mission was an all-American affair, and that the senior generals of Pakistan’s army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) were not told of the raid in advance. This is false, as are many other elements of the Obama administration’s account. The White House’s story might have been written by Lewis Carroll: would bin Laden, target of a massive international manhunt, really decide that a resort town forty miles from Islamabad would be the safest place to live and command al-Qaida’s operations? He was hiding in the open. So America said.
The most blatant lie was that Pakistan’s two most senior military leaders – General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, chief of the army staff, and General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, director general of the ISI – were never informed of the US mission. This remains the White House position despite an array of reports that have raised questions, including one by Carlotta Gall in the New York Times Magazine of 19 March 2014. Gall, who spent 12 years as the Times correspondent in Afghanistan, wrote that she’d been told by a ‘Pakistani official’ that Pasha had known before the raid that bin Laden was in Abbottabad. The story was denied by US and Pakistani officials, and went no further. In his book Pakistan: Before and after Osama (2012), Imtiaz Gul, executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies, a think tank in Islamabad, wrote that he’d spoken to four undercover intelligence officers who – reflecting a widely held local view – asserted that the Pakistani military must have had knowledge of the operation. The issue was raised again in February, when a retired general, Asad Durrani, who was head of the ISI in the early 1990s, told an al-Jazeera interviewer that it was ‘quite possible’ that the senior officers of the ISI did not know where bin Laden had been hiding, ‘but it was more probable that they did [know]. And the idea was that, at the right time, his location would be revealed. And the right time would have been when you can get the necessary quid pro quo – if you have someone like Osama bin Laden, you are not going to simply hand him over to the United States.’
Continued at length:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
