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Rabbi M. Yess said:1) It IS simple and IS NOT not complicated. Deny a male his sexual need for woman and he will go homosexual: visit any prison for proof of that. As a Rabbi I hold that homosexuality like theft is a sin as the Bible states... and not an illness nor condition nor valid lifestyle. Yes Rabbis have committed pedophilic acts (very very rare indeed). The essential issue is the Christian misunderstanding of the Eve saga in Genesis. The original sin was not sexual. The sin was eating from a forbidden tree. Once again... The first Commandment in the OT is to be fruitful and multiply. Did God thereby command us to sin? Get the point?
It is true than men in single sex environments (and indeed women) do turn to homosexuality, for example, in the army, prison and in (British) public schools. However, it does not apply to every man. Do you visit many prisons? I know a number of former-inmates, and none of them dabbled in homosexuality while inside. They simply lived with it. Similarly, I know many gay men who have plenty of access to women, if they so desire. It's just that they don't. As a person of un-heterosexual nature myself (and I don't live in a single sex environment), I can attest that sexual attraction to your own gender is *not* a life style choice. It's offensive to say that it is. Coming out as gay or bisexual is not easy, even in our more tolerant modern society. Gay men and women still live in fear of physical assault, being heckled on the streets, intolerance, being rejected by their parents or circle of friends. Some people have kill themselves because they can't cope with it. To say this is a life style choice smacks of ignorance in the extreme. Ask any gay man or woman. They will tell you they didn't choose, and there's been periods in their lives when they wish it could have been otherwise.
Also an issue like paedophilia, can never be described as simple. Any issue regarding anyone's sexuality is rarely simple, paedophiles in particular. As I pointed out earlier, the majority of paedophiles aren't enforced celibates. They live in normal society with the rest of us. Most paedophiles aren't "turned" by celibacy, so why would paedophile preists be? It can't be one rule for one set of paedophiles, and an entirely different one for the rest.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabbi M. Yess
Priestly celibacy is the major cause of Priestly pedophilia. If God required no such celibacy upon Jewish Priests then why did the Church innovate that suffering upon its spokemen? Priests have a daily battle with their natural urges and no outlet for them. That is cruelty of human origin (not Divine) imposed upon them. Celibacy is false piety. The first Commandment in the OT is to be fruitful and multiply. Where did the Church get off rewriting God's Commandment?
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As Beakboo said, why do celibate priests turn to children to satisfy them? Why not to women?
I would also point out Priests aren't actually forced to be celibate, they choose that lifestyle by becoming a priest in the first place. It is not something one enters into lightly. I'd guess that a lot of thought goes into all the issues involved, especially the celibacy matter. Admittedly, not all priests stick to it, but it's not a case of the tyrannical church imposing unnatural lifestyles on the priests, they choose to have it imposed on themselves.
I'd also dispute you claim that very few Rabbis have abused children. I see no reason to believe that paedophilia is any rarer among Rabbis than it is among the rest of the -non-celibate- population, or indeed the celibate population.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabbi M. Yess
Acum's Razor applies here: All matters considered the simplest answer is usually the right one.
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I find Occum's Razor is a good place to start an investigation, but if you stop there, well, you can't have looked into it very thoroughly.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabbi M. Yess
BTW I am aware that this approach is about as popular as a snake bite but that's my job.
Rabbi Moshe Yess [/quote]
Where I come from, Snake Bite is an alcoholic beverage, and as such is really quite popular
I do agree with Harlequin, even though it was me being nit-picky over the spelling. Let's not get personal... The Rabbi's opinions may be unpopular, and I certainly don't agree, but he is entitled to them, and he's putting them forward calmly and reasonably. As such, he's got a perfect right to remain here IMHO which probably doesn't count for much, but never mind.
Bilderberger suggested the Priesthood attracts homosexuals.. I'm not sure about the pomp and glamour part, but I do know many gay Christians believe their lack of interest in the opposite sex is God's way of calling them to celibacy, and so choose a celibate lifestyle. Such is the philosophy of people who can't reconcile the way the were born with the faith they grew up in.
Blimey, I feel very wordy today!