Panacea Society & Joanna Southcott

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Just watched the documentary on C4. Found it interesting, but thougth it sounded very familiar - has this been covered in Fortean Times before? Sorry that this is a vague post. Not surprised they don't have their own website! Anyone from Bedford think you might be living in the garden of Eden?
 
Very interesting programme. I'm guessing The Fortean Times must have covered the subject as they were cited in the programme's credits. Anyone?
 
dun no what issue it was but there was a big articul about hem and an xray of the box.....which aprently has a gun in it amoungst other things.
 
Wonder who got the xray, and if it was the real box, what with the 'other' one being a red herring
 
Sorry for this multi post, found this too, if you're interested. Didn't Blake do a painting called woman clothed by the sun?
 
The Blake painting was called The Red Dragon And The Woman Clothed By The Sun.

It's the painting that the killer in Thomas Harris's Red Dragon was obsessed by, though I don't recall if that aspect made it's way into the movie.

Marie
 
I saw about 2 minutes of the programme. Where they were showing a cupboard full of books and pamphlets but once I heard the name "Joanna Southcott" I turned over.


My parents lived in Bedford for a time. It does make a big deal of a local connection with John Bunyan and Pilgrims's Progress.
 
Never heard of these guys before, and when I google their name I just seem to find articles denouncing them. Don't suppose any one has a link to a page which describes the beliefs?
 
Mostly harmless

I watched the whole programme, a very British and very genteel sort of cult.

The story about the box was that the one that was opened wasn't the box of prophecies, but a box of mementoes, which Joanna Southcott, who liked keeping things in boxes had give to one of her followers.

Seem's to be only two of them left in Bedford both rather gentle people, with a mildly eccentric belief system.

The innocence of this cult was shown by the claim that the spirit bodies of their former members are living in a colony on Uranus, awaiting reincarnation when Christ returns - a more worldly prophet would have chosen a planet less open to jokes.

They also have a house prepared for Christ when he returns. It has a shower, although Christ is going to return in his spirit body and they admit, probably won't need a shower.
 
I felt a little sorry for them. They have all this money, which some people seem to be offended by, but they can't do anything with it because as far as they are concerned it belongs to other people. There's just two of them left in Bedford and they seem a little lonely.

Their belief structure is quite, quite mad, but then who are we to criticise.

Cujo
 
I found them rather charming and the idea of a religion that wants to heal the world without nesesarly converting anyone or fleesing people of their money is great.

I'd love to see the box :)
 
I live near Bedford, and I can't imagine how anyone could mistake it for The Garden of Eden.

Honestly, if they don't do something with the money, when they both die, it'll just get appropriated by the state.

Perhaps then we'll find out what is in the box.
 
Although only two believers were interviewed in the programme was it ever stated that they are the only two remaining? I didn't think it did though i may have missed something? Did the old man not say that the box was in safe keeping at the home of another believer?
 
Joanna Southcott

Does anyone who lives in/near Barnet know which tree Joanna Southcott was supposed to have had her 'revelation' (about being the Woman Clothed in the Sun etc)? I gather it is/was in Oak Hill Park, but caught fire in the 1930s. Does it still exist? There is a big oak near St Mary's Church, just on Church Hill Road, that looks considerably older than others in the park. I wondered if that was the one.
 
My favourite high school English teacher claimed to be a descendant or somehow related to her.
 
Finding myself in Bedford recently, with an hour or so to kill, I went for a coffee at Costa. There, to my surprise, I found a wilting leaflet advertising the nearby Panacea Museum. Being a keen Fortean I drained my extra-shot mocha and set off on foot.

Pausing only to get lost once (which enabled me to look over the side of the town bridge at the place where John Bunyan, author of The Pilgrim's Progress, was imprisoned for a year) I soon arrived at 9, Newnham Road, Bedford MK40 3NX:

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The place is well-maintained, but one gets the impression of it being run by well-meaning amateurs: the lady at reception seemed astonished that anyone might want to visit, and asked me earnestly how I'd heard of the place; a docent in another room was eating a sandwich at his desk...

The potted history of the Panacea Society is that its founder Mabel Barltrop became convinced that she was the eighth descendant of Joanna Southcott, the Devon seer who died in 1814. Barltrop accordingly changed her Christian name to "Octavia", and announced that she was the "Shiloh" or Child of God prophecied by Southcott.

Barltrop declared that Bedford was the site of the Garden of Eden, and bought properties in the town to be used for her ministry, and to house the 24 bishops who would have to convene before Southcott's sealed box could be opened revealing her prophecies.

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A replica of Southcott's box (the original is "in a secret location")

Barltrop became convinced that water was the cure for all ills, or "panacea", hence the society's name. To further her aims, she formed the scheme of buying bolts of linen cloth over which she would breathe. These bolts were then cut into 1" squares by her followers, and would be posted to believers. The squares were to be immersed in tap water, which would then become imbued with her woo, and could be drunk to heal any ailment. This "Water A" could be saved and diluted to form "Water B", in which devotees could bathe. As one does.

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Prepared squares

Documents in the displays name-check numerous contemporary celebs whose names will be familiar to fellow Forteans - Helena Blavatsky, for example.

The museum also displays Southcott's original grave memorial. Even after death she was associated with weird occurrences: She was laid to rest near the bank of the Thames. In the Victorian era - in line with established 19th-century Health & Safety practices - a barge laden with gunpowder and petrol (!) blew up nearby, cracking her stone in half. It was replaced, and the Society secured the original:

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At its peak the Panacea Society claimed over 130,000 followers worldwide. It only died with its last member - Ruth Klein, aged 80 - in 2012.

Today its premises are carefully preserved, together with a pleasant little garden and a tea room. Those with an interest in eccentric esotericism, or anyone looking to have a nice free sit-down in a quiet garden and enjoy a pot of tea and a sarnie, could do worse than spend an hour there.

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Part of the garden by the tea room patio

(Opening hours are variable, check their website for details.)

maximus otter
 
Those with an interest in eccentric esotericism, or anyone looking to have a nice free sit-down in a quiet garden and enjoy a pot of tea and a sarnie, could do worse than spend an hour there.

it looks as if one might be able to buy a plant as well :D

what an EXCELLENT post @maximus otter
 
As the last member died, who are these volunteers? Are they just interested members of the local historical society?
In all the years I've lived in Bedfordshire, I've never got round to visiting.
 
As the last member died, who are these volunteers? Are they just interested members of the local historical society?

“Whilst the religious society is no longer functioning, there still exists a charity whose main remit is to sponsor academic research into the history and development of prophetic and millenarian movements, as well as provide financial assistance to support the work of registered charities and recognised groups concerned with poverty and health in the Bedford area.”

maximus otter
 
“Whilst the religious society is no longer functioning, there still exists a charity whose main remit is to sponsor academic research into the history and development of prophetic and millenarian movements, as well as provide financial assistance to support the work of registered charities and recognised groups concerned with poverty and health in the Bedford area.”

If I lived round there I'd be muscling in on that like mad! :twothumbs:
 
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