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People Who Feel Wrong

It would make sense, but it ain't neccessarily so :rasp:

I try to be careful what I say, never easy, especially in a text only medium. I did say "in general" a number of times. Ultimately it's only my opinion and may be partially or even completely wrong.

There is no one universal version of what a woman is or what her experience and perceptions are, nor the same for men or anyone else. They may well be generalities that are often true however and there will be exceptions that prove rules.
 
Yup, we were chatting with another cyclist couple a while ago and I just took agin' the woman. No mystery, she was one of those who talk to a man in front of his partner as if he's on his own. You know the sort.

Do you mean flirt?
 
@Endlessly Amazed :oldm:

I remain astonished at how much NTs rely on this sixth sense. For every time they turn out to be horribly right there is a handful of didn't-detects and wrongly-accuseds.

As people have said, our own experience, different cultures of all different sorts can make such a difference.

I always wonder why, if the person can indeed tell what I'm thinking, they aren't already backing away and preparing to flee!

Some people really do have the gift - I'd believe @escargot unhesitatingly. But most people? I think not so much. :)
 
Some people really do have the gift - I'd believe @escargot unhesitatingly.
Dunno about that! :chuckle:

While I've always had instincts about people I'm now old enough to act on my misgivings instead of putting up with wrong'uns to be polite.

For example, at one time if a man asked me for my phone number or address (before mobiles/social media) I'd give him made-up details rather than just say 'no'. This was partly politeness and partly a fear of antagonising him.

Instincts may be right or wrong but I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
OK guys, this is a long response.

@Frideswide, what is NT? Neuro-typical or the NT as in INTJ or ENTJ, etc.?

I’ve thought some more about people who feel wrong. Also, the book “The Gift of Fear” by de Becker.

Putting aside all the times I have been uneasy about someone - uneasy being the operative word – I have two experiences to relate. Each of which illustrates a different point.

1. When I was 18 years old, attending university but very much messed up and depressed by my childhood, I was walking down the street one evening. At that time, I daily battled the negative voices in my head, who spoke in my mother’s voice (duh). I was having one of these arguments in my head when I passed 3 men on the sidewalk. One was a local spiritual guru and just behind him were his two hulking Chinese bodyguards.

The guru looked in my face as we passed and I was instantly so scared I thought I would faint. He did nothing threatening and said nothing. The voices in my head all stopped as I was terrified and focused on not getting hurt by this guy.

In this instance, my fear of him was misplaced as I was just afraid of everyone at the time. Apparently. A few years later, I found out from the local newspapers that multiple charges of sexual and physical violence were filed against him. But I still think my fear was a projection of my fucked-up internal state.

2. Decades later, my husband and I were in a high-end enclosed shopping mall in Indianapolis, Indiana. It was mid-afternoon. We were relaxed and laughing about Christmas shopping. We were walking back to the parking garage along an interior corridor. There was nobody else in sight or sound. Suddenly, both my husband and I stopped and went on alert. Physically, for me it was as if the air pressure changed and time slowed down. He asked me “Do you feel that?” I said “Yes but what is it?” We both thought we were in danger somehow. The menace was palpable. This is not purple prose or exaggeration. I’m trying to get the details correct because it was such an extraordinary experience.

A few seconds later, as we still stood there, a group of about six female gang members, rigged out in full Crips colors, came around a corner, swaggering towards us. When they saw us, they straightened up their posture, slowed down, and glared at us without speaking. Classic intimidation. My husband and I both know how to handle ourselves in physical confrontations, and how to size up the best response (1. Leave. 2. Diffuse. 3. Confront. 4. Fight).

My husband and I glared back, not breaking eye contact, as the gang bangers stalked past us. (BTW, this was response #3 confrontation.) Nobody said a word. After they were about 15 feet past us, we resumed our walk – now slowed down ourselves – to the parking garage, without looking back. After such an adrenalin rush, I felt as if I was going to throw up.

My husband and I discussed this for the entire journey back to our home. We decided it was real and not just a coincidence. Noteworthy: he and I both felt it and it changed our behavior before we commented on it. Our sense of danger was confirmed by the danger of the appearing gang members. Our sense of danger gave us a few seconds to compose ourselves and ready ourselves for a possible physical fight. Neither my husband nor I go around braced for bullshit or thinking that danger is just around the corner.

In this instance, we both received a clear (paranormal?) warning before any normal sight or sound of danger occurred. I am very glad of it. This warning has nothing to do with my fucked-up caution of people. This warning was the gift of fear.

This mall went on to have such a gang problem that some stores closed. It greatly increased the presence of police and security guards – eating into the profits – and the problem was managed.
 
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Dunno about that! :chuckle:

While I've always had instincts about people I'm now old enough to act on my misgivings instead of putting up with wrong'uns to be polite.

For example, at one time if a man asked me for my phone number or address (before mobiles/social media) I'd give him made-up details rather than just say 'no'. This was partly politeness and partly a fear of antagonising him.

Instincts may be right or wrong but I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.
I had 'one' come into my shop a few weeks ago .. I'm not fond of the modern expression 'Karen' but I'd be lying if I didn't term her that .. and hopefully you know me well enough by now to know I'm not anti women by any stretch but she was absolutely rammed with attitude .. only about 30 years old probably so I was over polite because she was over pissed off about something I'll never know about .. she was 100% glaring at me, asked me to make her a sandwich, continued to glare at me to the point of rudeness ... I'm not going to flatter myself that she found me attractive in any way .. she was just angrily staring at me and I became so uncomfortable I couldn't stop myself: "I've noticed you're glaring at me?" .. "You've been giving me nasty looks ever since I walked in!" .. not true because A: I'd never met her before and B: I can't wear my glasses and face mask at the same time or my glasses fog up .. "I honestly haven't? .. I don't want you to feel that way? .. I'm just a bit tired to be honest so I don't intend to offend you." ... then she said something about how I was lucky her boyfriend wasn't with her .. I just gave her the sandwich for free. Get 'em in. get 'em out.
 
I had 'one' come into my shop a few weeks ago .. I'm not fond of the modern expression 'Karen' but I'd be lying if I didn't term her that .. and hopefully you know me well enough by now to know I'm not anti women by any stretch but she was absolutely rammed with attitude .. only about 30 years old probably so I was over polite because she was over pissed off about something I'll never know about .. she was 100% glaring at me, asked me to make her a sandwich, continued to glare at me to the point of rudeness ... I'm not going to flatter myself that she found me attractive in any way .. she was just angrily staring at me and I became so uncomfortable I couldn't stop myself: "I've noticed you're glaring at me?" .. "You've been giving me nasty looks ever since I walked in!" .. not true because A: I'd never met her before and B: I can't wear my glasses and face mask at the same time or my glasses fog up .. "I honestly haven't? .. I don't want you to feel that way? .. I'm just a bit tired to be honest so I don't intend to offend you." ... then she said something about how I was lucky her boyfriend wasn't with her .. I just gave her the sandwich for free. Get 'em in. get 'em out.
She's a tosser.
 
Ex member of staff as well as she told me so that's extra abuse rights apparently .... "Is **** still the regional manager?!" .. "Nope but he still pops in from time to time." .... name dropping tosser ..
She got her free food!
 
I'm curious that you differentiate them, could you expand on this?
With some men it's a feeling that they are too " interested" and if I can't remove myself although I may be polite I turn on my "freeze' vibe and they move away themselves.
With women there are 3 levels. Those who may be friends, those who are neutral and those who are dangerous and make me feel ill.
There have only been 2 notable dangerous ones, the one who turned out to have been imprisoned for stabbing someone and the one where I had the scary psychic episode. She also did some nasty things to my friend who had been kind to her.
I always kept away from those two.
 
then she said something about how I was lucky her boyfriend wasn't with her

I'm surprised you didn't invoke the oft quoted maxim levelled against anyone with a sensible serious critique of poor service** these days.
"We don't tolerate aggressive behaviour or abuse of our staff - I'm afraid I will have to decline you service"
It would actually have been appropriate for once.

(** I'm not saying that you give poor service, clearly quite the opposite, you gave her food for free, but that a lot of places are happy to avoid actually giving good service by mis-labelling someone being critical of their poor service as abuse or being aggressive.)
 
I'm surprised you didn't invoke the oft quoted maxim levelled against anyone with a sensible serious critique of poor service** these days.
"We don't tolerate aggressive behaviour or abuse of our staff - I'm afraid I will have to decline you service"
It would actually have been appropriate for once.

(** I'm not saying that you give poor service, clearly quite the opposite, you gave her food for free, but that a lot of places are happy to avoid actually giving good service by mis-labelling someone being critical of their poor service as abuse or being aggressive.)
I thought about it but she hadn't actually done anything provably wrong. It's different when I'm working in a bar. I don't even have to give a reason to refuse to serve someone but where I currently work doesn't serve alcohol so I can't do that.

edit: nearly all of our customers are cool but I've just lost a 17 year old staff member who had to go into the back room for a bit of a cry because a customer was being nasty to her (this was her first ever job, she's going to work somewhere else now in the same town and I didn't have the heart to tell her she'll get it again at some point in our industry.) .. I don't take it anymore so I'll flat out square up to customers like that but then I'm a middle aged man .. our regional manager tried to tell me off over the phone because she says I've had three complaints about me .. I said "Probably?.. I've had way more compliments though but people don't tell you about those." .. after 7 months serving roughly in my estimation at the very least three thousand people (probably a lot more in fact) .... three complaints? .. I don't think I'm doing too badly. Including the last two 5 out of 5 tripadvisor reviews and the fake bad one tripadvisor agreed to wipe off for me/us. My manager laughs this off as well, he's had loads more complaints made about him and he's way more polite than me. I'm a dick when the mood takes me if a customer's openly trying to dominate me. I enjoy it.
 
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... but that a lot of places are happy to avoid actually giving good service by mis-labelling someone being critical of their poor service as abuse or being aggressive.)
You're not wrong Trev .. we call them 'weak staff', almost everywhere I've worked and they annoy us as much as they annoy our customers. I've subconsciously developed friendly 'stock' responses when people approach me .. maybe they aren't nasty people? .. maybe they're just tired? .. maybe I'm/we're just the end of a long car journey and they just want to get to their hotel and grab a quick bite first? ...... so it's "Are you winning? :)" .. "Winning what?" .. I dunno .. everything?" then they relax a bit and breath out and the small talk can flow but you have to be a listener instead of a talker then so they can offload ... that technique works .. or a quick "We thought you might be coming so we've just had a sweep up" .. or a quick "I've put love into this food. Don't eat it. Put it on Ebay." ... anything like that to chill your customers .. give them taster samples when you can but don't over do it because they don't want to be your friend, just something to eat.
 
I thought about it but she hadn't actually done anything provably wrong. It's different when I'm working in a bar. I don't even have to give a reason to refuse to serve someone but where I currently work doesn't serve alcohol so I can't do that.

edit: nearly all of our customers are cool but I've just lost a 17 year old staff member who had to go into the back room for a bit of a cry because a customer was being nasty to her (this was her first ever job, she's going to work somewhere else now in the same town and I didn't have the heart to tell her she'll get it again at some point in our industry.) .. I don't take it anymore so I'll flat out square up to customers like that but then I'm a middle aged man .. our regional manager tried to tell me off over the phone because she says I've had three complaints about me .. I said "Probably?.. I've had way more compliments though but people don't tell you about those." .. after 7 months serving roughly in my estimation at the very least three thousand people (probably a lot more in fact) .... three complaints? .. I don't think I'm doing too badly. Including the last two 5 out of 5 tripadvisor reviews and the fake bad one tripadvisor agreed to wipe off for me/us. My manager laughs this off as well, he's had loads more complaints made about him and he's way more polite than me. I'm a dick when the mood takes me if a customer's openly trying to dominate me. I enjoy it.

I hope you put a little something extra in the sandwich as a treat for her.
 
Go on... (as long as it's suitable for a family audience)
Mags was a one wasn't she.

Last posted in March 2005 -

I read about Princess Margaret's detailed evening meal instructions a few years ago. She was staying somewhere and wanted a particularly difficult and fiddly dish, like a souffle or something, which the Scottish chef was proud to prepare.

At the last minute she changed her mind and asked for just one orange, peeled and segmented on a plate.

The furious chef peeled the orange, shoved it down his kecks and rubbed it round his crotch before carrying on and serving it.
 
I had a relationship with someone who had been abused in every sense. It was strange, she tried to control me, resented any money I spent on myself and not on her (she had no money) tried to stop me seeing my 2 boys, deliberately wound me up to create an argument (which I wouldn't fall for), and would often tell me to shout at her to get my point across. I put this down to the fact that she had had a very miserable abusive married life, but looking back I wonder whether in fact she "got off" in some way with such a relationship, and simply couldn't live with the calm loving environment I tried to create for her. People are just weird.

The daily dramas
she made from nothing
So nothing ever made them right

Landed - Ben Folds


An ex-friend of my wife's was just like this with her now husband. We were staggered when they got married, and even more staggered that they are still together. When me and my wife first started dating, her friend did everything she could to try and break us up. We put it down to the fact that she was jealous of the fact that after a few short months we already had a stronger relationship than her and her husband.
 
The problem comes when working with the public. You have to turn them down politely.
Gutted. :chuckle:
I've always had a different approach from men. For some reason they think that I ought to be absolutely GAGGING for it, yet too old and desperate to be fussy. I wish I knew what it was about me that gave them this impression. Due to menopause issues I'm celibate and asexual these days, yet they behave as though I'm just busting to throw them over the counter and give them endless kinky sex.

I'd rather have a cup of tea and a nice slab of cake, to be honest.
 
There’s a song about this!!
‘Twenty Four Hour Garage People’
By Half Man Half Biscuit
Epic.

Sorry Amergin but unless you've ever had to work in the service industry, the 'last minute heroes' (who happen almost every night) aka 'Indiana Jones' from that bit when he grabs his hat back at the last second are a complete:

PAIN
IN
THE
F******G
ARSE

You've all day .. but you also have Google to find out what time I close so 10 minutes before I put my coat on to walk to a place I call 'home' .. where I live, eat, sleep and wash and hey! .. maybe even get to socialise .. no! .. 10 minutes is acceptable because 'the customer is always right!!!' .. I tend to lock up ten minutes early. I've already been told off for it but until Indiana is willing to tip me for deciding to alter my opening times at their convenience they can **** off. I do love HMHB though.
 
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Sorry Amergin but unless you've ever had to work in the service industry, the 'last minute heroes' (who happen almost every night) aka 'Indiana Jones' from that bit when he grabs his hat back at the last second are a complete:

PAIN
IN
THE
F******G
ARSE

You've all day .. but you also have Google to find out what time I close so 10 minutes before I put my coat on to walk to a place I call 'home' .. where I live, eat, sleep and wash and hey! .. maybe even get to socialise .. no! .. 10 minutes is acceptable because 'the customer is always right!!!' .. I tend to lock up ten minutes early. I've already been told off for it but until Indiana is willing to tip me for deciding to alter my opening times at their convenience they can **** off. I do love HMHB though.

I have quite often gone into my local shop 10 mins before closing but I'm in and out in a minute or so, usually grabbing bread and or milk for the morning. I just quickly get what I want and scarper. People dithering are being inconsiderate and those being demanding are being wankers.
 
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