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People Who Feel Wrong

Same here. It's tiring just having a short convo with my Mum (nothing BUT small talk).
Maybe I'm autistic too?
You have strong ties with your Mum though. The small talk is a way for you both to check in with each other.
If you needed to discuss something more serious such as a health issue, it wouldn't be small talk.
 
Weak ties. Friendly greetings, good manners, tiny helpful actions, being pleasant to serve. Fitting in on a superficial level. Showing highly developed social skills. Giving an air of trustworthiness.
These processes are just as important as the strong ties we see in family bonds and friendship. We need them to feel safe.
When I started commuter cycling, I started recognising people coming the other way. There's one cyclist I pass on the hill with whom I exchange a cordial "Morning!" (at speed), and another one who doesn't acknowledge me at all. Then there used to be a lady walking briskly to work who started to smile at me, and that turned into a "Morning!" as well - I don't see her any more, I wonder if she's retired. But she has been replaced by another lady who used to scowl at me, then regard me with ambivalence, and the last time I spotted her she gave me a big smile and a "Morning!" I shall have to be nice the next time I pass her...
 
When I started commuter cycling, I started recognising people coming the other way. There's one cyclist I pass on the hill with whom I exchange a cordial "Morning!" (at speed), and another one who doesn't acknowledge me at all. Then there used to be a lady walking briskly to work who started to smile at me, and that turned into a "Morning!" as well - I don't see her any more, I wonder if she's retired. But she has been replaced by another lady who used to scowl at me, then regard me with ambivalence, and the last time I spotted her she gave me a big smile and a "Morning!" I shall have to be nice the next time I pass her...
When I'm cycling to work at odd times I see different people - dog walkers, workers coming and going, delivery drivers and posties and so on - and some get a wave depending on how often we've seen each other.
 
Dog walkers are a tribe i discovers during the recent unpleasantness. people you formerly nodded to or exchanged embarrassed small talk with as your beasties did unspeakable things suddenly became very chatty and friendly albeit from a "safe distance". For many of them this might be the only human contact they had for days. I have met many lovely people in the last couple of years- never learn any names other than the dogs ( and 1 parrot). but definitely beneficial "weak ties" for all involved.
 
When I'm cycling to work at odd times I see different people - dog walkers, workers coming and going, delivery drivers and posties and so on - and some get a wave depending on how often we've seen each other.
I walk after work for me 'ealth and although it's every other day, I'm at 'nodding' with quite a few other regulars. Now I know this is called 'weak ties' :)
 
I dunno. Maybe it's just me, but the story of the girl who could 'make things happen' and who seemed old beyond her years just made me think that she had been sexually abused from a very early age. I;ve seen it before in (usually) girls who have been forced into precocious sexual situations - an almost unnatural confidence. As though the worst has already happened, so everything else must be better...
Exactly what I was just thinking when I was reading that!
 
When I started commuter cycling, I started recognising people coming the other way. There's one cyclist I pass on the hill with whom I exchange a cordial "Morning!" (at speed), and another one who doesn't acknowledge me at all. Then there used to be a lady walking briskly to work who started to smile at me, and that turned into a "Morning!" as well - I don't see her any more, I wonder if she's retired. But she has been replaced by another lady who used to scowl at me, then regard me with ambivalence, and the last time I spotted her she gave me a big smile and a "Morning!" I shall have to be nice the next time I pass her...
When we used to cycle a lot on the Sustrans track here, we noticed a curious thing. The "slow bikers" could be quite rude/unfriendly - no eye contact, not returning greetings, etc. But the super serious, supposedly focussed Lycras - much more friendly. That was a bit unexpected.
 
I wonder if the severing of the weak ties is what has caused so much poor mental health post Covid?

I keep hearing reports about people who are still isolating (despite no health conditions which would require this), who now don't even socialise with family when they did previously, and who won't go to the shops, Perhaps the enforced isolation of Covid caused those weak ties with neighbours, shop workers etc, to sever and, if we posit that weak ties are what make us feel safe in our environment, they no longer feel safe outside their houses?
 
When we used to cycle a lot on the Sustrans track here, we noticed a curious thing. The "slow bikers" could be quite rude/unfriendly - no eye contact, not returning greetings, etc. But the super serious, supposedly focussed Lycras - much more friendly. That was a bit unexpected.
Speaking as a very novice cyclist, the slow one's may be barely managing to, well, cycle. I cannot take a hand off my handle bars and can barely make eye contact.

Bikes are scary and hard work when you're just starting out
 
I enjoy interacting with people who are autistic. You know exactly where you stand with them and, when you know how to listen to someone who is autistic, they do express interest and caring for people. You just have to take time to listen. Every day small talk, they may not be interested in, but often, I find small talk tiring.
Last week at work a bright lad of about 9 was asking constant questions of his parents, interspersed with remarks about needing the toilet.
The parents and his younger sister were clearly exhausted by him!

Hid father told me they were in the process go having him diagnosed with autism. Looked about right to me.

The mother asked me where the toilets were and the boy listened hard, then decided he wanted me to take him there.
We okayed it with the parents and set off.

Point about the toilets is that there are buttons to press both on the way and there, and Laddie likes pressing buttons.
I explained what each button did and he pressed them in turn, including the toilet buttons.

That's 'OPEN', 'OPEN', 'OPEN', 'CLOSE', 'LOCK', 'FLUSH' and 'UNLOCK'.

I bet he still remembers that sequence.

There were also the handwashing controls of course, which weren't as interesting with no buttons to press. :chuckle:

Felt I understood him - pressing buttons - what's not to like? :cool:
 
Last week at work a bright lad of about 9 was asking constant questions of his parents, interspersed with remarks about needing the toilet.
The parents and his younger sister were clearly exhausted by him!

Hid father told me they were in the process go having him diagnosed with autism. Looked about right to me.

The mother asked me where the toilets were and the boy listened hard, then decided he wanted me to take him there.
We okayed it with the parents and set off.

Point about the toilets is that there are buttons to press both on the way and there, and Laddie likes pressing buttons.
I explained what each button did and he pressed them in turn, including the toilet buttons.

That's 'OPEN', 'OPEN', 'OPEN', 'CLOSE', 'LOCK', 'FLUSH' and 'UNLOCK'.

I bet he still remembers that sequence.

There were also the handwashing controls of course, which weren't as interesting with no buttons to press. :chuckle:

Felt I understood him - pressing buttons - what's not to like? :cool:
Yesterday morning, the nice table of six people with their son of about 20 years old who's in a wheelchair ordered their breakfast from me. I asked the chef to do 20 year old's porridge first because he was going to need assistance to eat .. same thing for the young woman's 1 year old son in the high chair for the same reason so the other 4 adults would be able to eat afterwards. I'm an ex care worker (as you know) so didn't ask them about my decision and also spoke with the 20 year old who was also unable to speak. Dude's still got ears, a brain and feelings.

After service and after they'd all returned to their rooms before checking out, the mother approached our manager to tell him her son had had a 'nose bleed' and there was 'a bit of blood on his bed sheet' .. at this stage, we were all just assuming it was the toddler who'd had a mishap.

After the family had all left and house keeping were able to get in to their room? .... the toilet seat had been smashed with a third of it missing. Blood was 'peppered' up the walls of the bathroom and also an area of the bedroom. After house keeping assessed everything, the mattress had to be thrown out because at least a pint of blood was found on it. It's obvious that a 1 year old couldn't have caused that much damaged so that leaves the 20 year old in the wheel chair .. how was he able to stand up or even be incorrectly lifted to then hit a toilet seat hard enough to break it with his nose and the seat Skargs? ..

I've already hinted that the room looked more like a crime scene, mentioned to my manager that in my previous lines of work this incident would have had to be investigated .. I phoned my new boss after work with a "Hi, it's Swifty. I don't mean to step over the line because this isn't why you've just employed me sorry but .. if you don't mind me over worrying, has an accident report been filled out today as a legal requirement in case the family try to sue you?" .. "Thank you 'Swifty' and yes, we have done that" ..

Because this IMO is, and I'm sure you're also now questioning this one (possible and I hope I'm wrong) potential abuse of a vulnerable person with a disability?. The staff member cleaning the room afterwards took photos.
 
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Yesterday morning, the nice table of six people with their son of about 20 years old who's in a wheelchair ordered their breakfast from me. I asked the chef to do 20 year old's porridge first because he was going to need assistance to eat .. same thing for the young woman's 1 year old son in the high chair for the same reason so the other 4 adults would be able to eat afterwards. I'm an ex care worker (as you know) so didn't ask them about my decision and also spoke with the 20 year old who was also unable to speak. Dude's still got ears, a brain and feelings.

After service and after they'd all returned to their rooms before checking out, the mother approached our manager to tell him her son had had a 'nose bleed' and there was 'a bit of blood on his bed sheet' .. at this stage, we were all just assuming it was the toddler who'd had a mishap.

After the family had all left and house keeping were able to get in to their room? .... the toilet seat had been smashed with a third of it missing. Blood was 'peppered' up the walls of the bathroom and also an area of the bedroom. After house keeping assessed everything, the mattress had to be thrown out because at least a pint of blood was found on it. It's obvious that a 1 year old couldn't have caused that much damaged so that leaves the 20 year old in the wheel chair .. how was he able to stand up or even be incorrectly lifted to then hit a toilet seat hard enough to break it with his nose and the seat Skargs? ..

I've already hinted that the room looked more like a crime scene, mentioned to my manager that in my previous lines of work this incident would have had to be investigated .. I phoned my new boss after work with a "Hi, it's Swifty. I don't mean to step over the line because this isn't why you've just employed me sorry but .. if you don't mind me over worrying, has an accident report been filled out today as a legal requirement in case the family try to sue you?" .. "Thank you 'Swifty' and yes, we have done that" ..

Because this IMO is, and I'm sure you're also now questioning this one (possible and I hope I'm wrong) potential abuse of a vulnerable person with a disability?. The staff member cleaning the room afterwards took photos.
Could be abuse, or could be a clumsy transfer that went badly wrong. They should have explained themselves.

The manager could have approached them about it as they've caused damage to the place. They should understand that people are concerned about who was injured and why it it happened.

You are good people!
 
Could be abuse, or could be a clumsy transfer that went badly wrong. They should have explained themselves.

The manager could have approached them about it as they've caused damage to the place. They should understand that people are concerned about who was injured and why it it happened.

You are good people!
I'm going with clumsy transfer with this one atm mate .. the manager did do the afterwards approach and has in retrospect decided they should have chosen a different place to stay with sufficient facilities like a wet room etc to have avoided this situation happening at all. The 20 year old's now injured as a result, we weren't warned sufficiently about his needs by the family (bless him. He's unable to speak for himself) and also the owners of the place have to buy a new mattress and toilet seat. They had a spare boxed seat in reserve. I'm not sure yet which lessons the bosses are supposed to learn to prevent this happening again. They can't, shouldn't and won't discriminate against the disabled.
 
I'm going with clumsy transfer with this one atm mate .. the manager did do the afterwards approach and has in retrospect decided they should have chosen a different place to stay with sufficient facilities like a wet room etc to have avoided this situation happening at all. The 20 year old's now injured as a result, we weren't warned sufficiently about his needs by the family (bless him. He's unable to speak for himself) and also the owners of the place have to buy a new mattress and toilet seat. They had a spare boxed seat in reserve. I'm not sure yet which lessons the bosses are supposed to learn to prevent this happening again. They can't, shouldn't and won't discriminate against the disabled.
Yup, it's the family's responsibility to make sure a disabled member is catered for. Management aren't mind-readers.
 
Yup, it's the family's responsibility to make sure a disabled member is catered for. Management aren't mind-readers.
We (the staff) were all upset when we realised what had happened. In the defence of his father who'd ordered the porridge on his behalf (his Mum also asked me to add some honey for the lad), Dad also was pre concerned in case the porridge might be too hot when if arrived. I'd already pre empted that without being asked by explaining the obvious needs of this lad to the chef who prepared it at a safe temp anyway. We think/hope it was a 'just one of those things' situation because of his parent's loving approach on that level.
 
Speaking as a very novice cyclist, the slow one's may be barely managing to, well, cycle. I cannot take a hand off my handle bars and can barely make eye contact.

Bikes are scary and hard work when you're just starting out
LOL. I didn't mean "slow" so literally, just you know, non Lycras. (Not on road bikes wearing Lycra). Our cycle track has 2 tribes - one the Lycras, one the "slow cyclists" (some of which aren't slow).

I've been a "slow" cyclist my entire life but am - or was til the past couple years - way faster than most lol. Sustrans track isn't the greatest place to learn, tbh - have seen a few wobbly adults being helped along by a partner or whatever and I'm just "Get the eff out of the way!" (well, I was til I got ill now I can't cycle). Can be a bit hazardous for others if you're on a track but not yet confident - not so much about speed but about being able to steer well and be decisive and I'm sure you'll get there really soon. There's summat called "the slow cycling movement" which is more about the journey than getting there fast. I was always a strange hybrid as a fast and competent (cocky) cyclist who didn't ride road bikes or wear (much) lycra. But I wasn't literally slow at all, either.

It's an odd thing because on some cycling forums you can see slows have palpable contempt for Lycras but our experience on the track for years was that the Lycras were more friendly. Go figure.
 
LOL. I didn't mean "slow" so literally, just you know, non Lycras. (Not on road bikes wearing Lycra). Our cycle track has 2 tribes - one the Lycras, one the "slow cyclists" (some of which aren't slow).

I've been a "slow" cyclist my entire life but am - or was til the past couple years - way faster than most lol. Sustrans track isn't the greatest place to learn, tbh - have seen a few wobbly adults being helped along by a partner or whatever and I'm just "Get the eff out of the way!" (well, I was til I got ill now I can't cycle). Can be a bit hazardous for others if you're on a track but not yet confident - not so much about speed but about being able to steer well and be decisive and I'm sure you'll get there really soon. There's summat called "the slow cycling movement" which is more about the journey than getting there fast. I was always a strange hybrid as a fast and competent (cocky) cyclist who didn't ride road bikes or wear (much) lycra. But I wasn't literally slow at all, either.

It's an odd thing because on some cycling forums you can see slows have palpable contempt for Lycras but our experience on the track for years was that the Lycras were more friendly. Go figure.
As a keen and experienced cyclist I see this fast/slow divide as a way for men to deal with competitiveness.

It's like the difference between 'running' (fast) and 'jogging' (slow); are we exercising for our own health and fun or do we need to keep the score?

Answer:
Cyclists, and runners or swimmers or whoever, don't need to justify themselves or BE THE BEST or even improve much over time.
Just getting out there and moving, you're lapping everyone at home on the sofa.

Anyone who judges me can kiss my Lycra'd arse. If they can catch up.
 
As a keen and experienced cyclist I see this fast/slow divide as a way for men to deal with competitiveness.

It's like the difference between 'running' (fast) and 'jogging' (slow); are we exercising for our own health and fun or do we need to keep the score?

Answer:
Cyclists, and runners or swimmers or whoever, don't need to justify themselves or BE THE BEST or even improve much over time.
Just getting out there and moving, you're lapping everyone at home on the sofa.

Anyone who judges me can kiss my Lycra'd arse. If they can catch up.
This has just made me think about my own attitude - which, I accept, is slightly odd.
I am the least competitive runner ever. Don't run in company, don't really take much note of times or anything more than distance run. But I have a customer who sometimes passes me in his car when I'm out, and when he's in the shop he always asks me 'did you go for a jog this morning?'

And I feel most affronted and always correct him that, no, I didn't 'jog', I went running. I think it's because the word 'jog' seems (to me) to imply a jaunt around the block followed by a collapse on the sofa, once a week and no more. Because I run every day, and a good five miler at least, I kind of resent being slotted in alongside the people who go out once, hate it, and never do it again.

Which is ridiculous because, as you say, it's not a competition and ANY activity is good and also I'M NOT COMPETITIVE. So why should it matter?
 
And I feel most affronted and always correct him that, no, I didn't 'jog', I went running. I think it's because the word 'jog' seems (to me) to imply a jaunt around the block followed by a collapse on the sofa, once a week and no more.
That's not 'jogging' though, that's someone trying to start jogging. Maybe with a view to be fit enough for running later on.
They are trying their best.

Anyway, jogging is an exercise in itself; aerobic endurance training, in fact.

Also, you're getting wound up because he knows you don't like the word and he enjoys gently baiting you. :chuckle:

My answer would be to ignore the word and say 'Yup, five miles, every day!' possibly followed by 'Do you run then?' especially if he patently doesn't.
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People who try to mock others for exercising are jealous. We fear what we see in ourselves. :nods:

Working in gyms, I noticed that the most enormously obese and unfit members would roll up, usually self-conscious and having anything but fun, and they'd be welcomed and encouraged by everyone.

They'd taken that first step to fitness and we admired them. :bthumbup:
 
Okay, we've had our fun, but let's bring this thread back on topic.

No warnings or anything, let's just get back to "People Who Feel Wrong" as it states in the title.

Anything else might be best left to chat or PM's.
 
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