Phantom Battles & Battlefield Ghosts

Fanari_Lloyd said:
The Battle of Towton was the bloodiest battle in English history with an estimated 28,000 deaths but I never hear much about it. People have allegedly seen ghosts there, though (I had a google).

A man also thinks a horse and rider ghost were captured on a photo several years back

They were there ghost hunting and The Daily Mirror article here

(Grainy photos are just a general bane!)

E.T.A.

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I went to the battle site a good few years ago, and two of the people who worked on the farm were talking to me about the area. They had both done some research on the site, and although they didn't say that they had ever seen any ghosts, they did say that the field had a definite atmosphere, especially in the the winter,
 
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This book is not perfectly "on topic" but ... almost.
(As usual use the right mouse button to translate, even if it is funny to think of reading a review in Italian of a book in English).
http://www.piloton.it/libri/ww2ghosts.html
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The author is a collector of WWII artifacts who has subjected some of them to psychics, mediums.The reconstructions that emerge are amazing and at the very least plausible (who cares if they are true?).

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Maria​

Location: Elvaston (Derbyshire) - Elvaston Castle
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: Women unknown, man in rags in 2010, others in 2004 and 2012
Further Comments: Maria, former wife of the 4th Earl of Harrington, is said to manifest as a white lady who gazes from a window or walks around the area with a pale dog. A grey woman is also said to haunt the area, and in 2010 it was said that a family spotted a man in ragged clothing in nearby woodland who suddenly vanished. Two years later, two witnesses heard sounds close to the castle which they initially thought to be a party. When unable to see a party nearby, the witnesses realised the sounds comprised of men fighting, muskets discharging, and horses. Around 2004, a witness exiting the castle witnessed apparitions of horse-pulled carriages containing men who shouted and chanted.

https://www.paranormaldatabase.com/recent/index.php
 
Paul_Exeter said:

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Belongs here:​


Maria​

Location: Elvaston (Derbyshire) - Elvaston Castle
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: Women unknown, man in rags in 2010, others in 2004 and 2012
Further Comments: Maria, former wife of the 4th Earl of Harrington, is said to manifest as a white lady who gazes from a window or walks around the area with a pale dog. A grey woman is also said to haunt the area, and in 2010 it was said that a family spotted a man in ragged clothing in nearby woodland who suddenly vanished. Two years later, two witnesses heard sounds close to the castle which they initially thought to be a party. When unable to see a party nearby, the witnesses realised the sounds comprised of men fighting, muskets discharging, and horses. Around 2004, a witness exiting the castle witnessed apparitions of horse-pulled carriages containing men who shouted and chanted.

https://www.paranormaldatabase.com/recent/index.php
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These sorts of things HAVE to be time slippage, surely? Because the men 'shouting and chanting' can't ALL have died in the battle - ditto the horses. I could understand (well, not understand, comprehend maybe) the energies of people who died in battle hanging around the site of their death, perhaps baffled as to what just happened, but when people (and horses) survived and left the scene and didn't die there, and perhaps were involved in more battles somewhere down the line - why would they stick around at that particular place?
 
catseye said:
These sorts of things HAVE to be time slippage, surely? Because the men 'shouting and chanting' can't ALL have died in the battle - ditto the horses. I could understand (well, not understand, comprehend maybe) the energies of people who died in battle hanging around the site of their death, perhaps baffled as to what just happened, but when people (and horses) survived and left the scene and didn't die there, and perhaps were involved in more battles somewhere down the line - why would they stick around at that particular place?
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Exactly.
Just as the alleged ghost of Oliver Cromwell appears at at least two Civil War battlegrounds, neither of which were where he died.
 
This has me thinking of a few posts elsewhere discussing ghosts of the living, and modern Maya folklore in highland Guatemala holding that if you receive a shock or fright, you leave your soul in the place of the incident, and must go back and call it to yourself three times. Perhaps being that emotionally invested in something, such as a battle, splits a bit of your being off from the whole, which carries on regardless? I don't necessarily believe that, just throwing out ideas.
 
SimonBurchell said:
This has me thinking of a few posts elsewhere discussing ghosts of the living, and modern Maya folklore in highland Guatemala holding that if you receive a shock or fright, you leave your soul in the place of the incident, and must go back and call it to yourself three times. Perhaps being that emotionally invested in something, such as a battle, splits a bit of your being off from the whole, which carries on regardless? I don't necessarily believe that, just throwing out ideas.
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I did think about that, but what would be the rules? Plenty of soldiers will have fought in multiple battles and been terrified of death repeatedly. Would they hang around each and every battlefield? And what about people who've led horrifically traumatic lives - would they haunt one location or every one? How 'split' can one character be and could any of the separate ;haunting parts' interact with any of the others?

It's all quite fascinating. I am picturing Oliver Cromwell (a) meeting up with Oliver Cromwell (b.ii) for a nice chat.
 
catseye said:
I did think about that, but what would be the rules? Plenty of soldiers will have fought in multiple battles and been terrified of death repeatedly. Would they hang around each and every battlefield? And what about people who've led horrifically traumatic lives - would they haunt one location or every one? How 'split' can one character be and could any of the separate ;haunting parts' interact with any of the others?

It's all quite fascinating. I am picturing Oliver Cromwell (a) meeting up with Oliver Cromwell (b.ii) for a nice chat.
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Could this point us toward a possible method of differentiating timeslips from hauntings?
Timeslips being non-interactive replays from a past time, whereas ghosts may display a degree of sentience and react to the observer?
That's maybe too simplistic, as I'm aware of timeslips where people have claimed they were able to buy things, but I was just thinking out loud.
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Could this point us toward a possible method of differentiating timeslips from hauntings?
Timeslips being non-interactive replays from a past time, whereas ghosts may display a degree of sentience and react to the observer?
That's maybe too simplistic, as I'm aware of timeslips where people have claimed they were able to buy things, but I was just thinking out loud.
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Hmmm, yes. And if timeslips are not so much time as alternate dimension slips, would Oliver Cromwell haunting two places at once mean that there were two alternative dimension slips or one slip into a dimension where Ollie moved about a bit?

It does rather put the mockers on my idea of ghosts being windows into another dimension and more of a 'stammering' in time.
 
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