Phantom Hitchhikers & Road Ghosts

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gncxx said:
Thanks for that! Sounds more like they were being haunted by IMAX 3D, though! Wasn't Peter Underwood known for embellishing his tales, or was that Peter Haining? Or was it both?
LOL

I have to admit that when I reread the account I found myself thinking "Hmmm, just when during the '60s did LSD become widely available?"

However, I have seen one of the brothers interviewed on TV, and he seemed to be sticking pretty closely to the above story.
 

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This story reminds me of something that happened to my brother which I've mentioned a couple of times before.
Especially the bit I've put in bold here -

Beginning to feel sick, Derek wrenched the door open and leapt out... Instantly everything went quiet. He gazed in bewilderment along the deserted road, across fields and hedges. Everything was still. Yet as soon as he was back in the car with the door slammed shut, the shaking, buffeting and hideous chorus of screams and laughter began again.
My brother once accidentally punctured an aerosol can in the back of a van he was driving (he was delivering metal gates and dropped one on the can) and the fumes gave him hallucinations and made him sick. He had to pull over onto the hard shoulder and was lucky not to crash.

If you were driving on a road you 'knew' to be haunted and had something leaking fumes in the car with you, your imagination might do the rest. ;)

Not saying that's the explanation. Just rang a bell with me.
 

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Going back to my birthplace recently I was reminded of a scary incident and also a bit of local tie in with the phantom hitchiker UL.

In 1980ish my parents lived in Southend-on-Sea and I was living and working in Hertfordshire. My first wife and I often spent weekends with my parents and drove back to Hertfordshire very late on a Sunday. Back then the roads would be virtually empty at that time of night.

One cold night (probably Jan '81) we were returning as usual, and as we turned off the A127 on to the A130 (which back then was little better than a country lane, unlit but fairly straight as far as Battlesbridge) we were being followed by a single very bright headlight. We had a very low set car at the time, and the light in the mirror was annoying, so we slowed down to let the bike (as we assumed it was) past. It stayed where it was, so I speeded up again, assuming the rider might have been using us as a bit of shelter - it _was_ cold and slightly misty. When we slowed down again for the sharp curve over the bridge, the light - still close behind us - just went out.

We were spooked. We didn't want to turn back, but neither did we really think it was a motorbike that had turned off or fallen off. We hadn't heard anything at all through the whole incident, but not all bikes are noisy.

We didn't think of obvious explanations like the poor chap's light had failed. So perhaps the most interesting thing about the incident is - why were we so spooked? There was nothing unusual about the journey for us - we probably were doing it every other weekend at the time.

Back on the A127, the road from the A130 junction back up towards Rayleigh had one of the locations where you could allegedly pick up the phantom hitchiker - the girl who forgets her helmet or whatever and when you take it back you find she's dead. There was a steep dual carriageway split-level S bend climbing up one of the few hills in that part of Essex and she was supposed to hang out there just before you went into the trees.

I bet she's not still there now with all the lights and flyovers that have been built in the last 30 years or so! It was a dangerous part of the road, though, and there had been several fatal accidents there over the years.

And, yes, it was known locally (at least, in the pubs I used to frequent in Southend - I wonder how the old Top Alex is doing now?) as Deadman's Curve.
 

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As if Telly Savalas wasn't already one of the coolest muddyfunsters on the planet when he was alive, he also left us this story thanks to a show called The Extraordinary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzksX-9vh9s

As mentioned in the current FT. Never heard of the show, but it does look unintentionally funny, the excellence of Mr Savalas notwithstanding. Anyway, in that case it was the driver not the hitcher who was the ghost, which is rare I think.
 

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Phantom carriageways?

While there are phantom hitchhikers,I have also read about "phantom carriageways" in The Haunted City (Liverpool) where motorists would see an exit to a highway on the M62 somewhere around Junctions 5 and 6 that did not show up on any map. Passing the same area again it was gone. Anyone ever hear of such a thing?
 

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He appears to write about a haunting however tenuous the source. (Why does the word 'tenuous' not look right? I doubt myself now).
 

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He appears to write about a haunting however tenuous the source. (Why does the word 'tenuous' not look right? I doubt myself now).

Sorry - it didn't appear to send my post first time round!
 

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Re: Phantom carriageways?

genex17 said:
While there are phantom hitchhikers,I have also read about "phantom carriageways" in The Haunted City (Liverpool) where motorists would see an exit to a highway on the M62 somewhere around Junctions 5 and 6 that did not show up on any map. Passing the same area again it was gone. Anyone ever hear of such a thing?
In other words, a 'ghost road' rather than a 'road ghost' - right?

Yes, I know of an example. This occurred on Holston Mountain - a national forest area - in east Tennessee. Circa 1970 or 1971 five friends set out on a nighttime 'run' (basically just getting away from civilization and cruising). I was not with them that night. The next day all five told the same story. They'd left US highway 421 (east-west over the mountain) west of the mountain's crest (in Sullivan County) and proceeded southward on a gravel road (Flatwoods Road, as it was known at the time). Flatwoods Road was the only vehicle-navigable track running north-south from highway 421 to an intersection with another highway in Carter County miles to the south. To the west of Flatwoods Road was South Holston Lake, and to the east was the steep western face of Holston Mountain.

In between 421 and the Carter County terminus there were multiple smaller jeep tracks (forest service fire roads) branching off eastward to the foot of Holston Mountain. Our circle of friends was quite familiar with these tracks, because we often used them for camping, hiking, and / or just communing with nature.

On the night in question, all five claimed they'd driven up one of these fire roads, only to find it didn't terminate at the foot of the mountain's western face. Instead, they said the track turned into a relatively well-maintained gravel road that wound its way upward onto the mountain. Somewhere along the way there were open clearings or meadows with grasses and ferns. They had come to a gate, upon which there was a sign notifying them they were entering the national forest, a protected wildlife area, federal jurisidction, etc. The gate wasn't locked. They proceeded through the gate and continued all the way to the crest of Holston Mountain, then descended on a somewhat less developed dirt and gravel road into the valley on the eastern side (the Shady Valley community), where they claimed to have come out on a paved north-south state highway (I forget the number / name) south of highway 421 and north of the Carter County line.

The problem was - that road over Holston Mountain didn't exist. It wasn't on any maps. None of us had ever encountered it - even in hiking all along the mountain crest. Multiple attempts at re-locating the mystery road failed. We even went to the extent of exploring every fire road between highway 421 and the Carter County terminus (on the western side of the mountain) over the course of a summer, eliminating the possibilities one by one. We even explored the eastern side (where they'd ostensibly come down off the mountain), but never found the road from which they said they'd intersected the state highway on that side. We never even found a gate or sign anywhere in the search area that even approximated the group's description.

There was in fact a gravel road leading up to a firetower atop the mountain a few miles _north_ of 421 and then (quite perilously) leading down the eastern side via a track that was more of a dry creek bed than a discernible pathway. However, two of the original five (including the driver) claimed that wasn't the mystery route after examining and traversing it. Among other reasons - no gate, no meadows / clearings, the miserable eastern track was 'way more rough than the road they'd descended upon that night - too rough, in fact, for the family car used that night to have traversed at all. This candidate was the only up-and-over pathway we ever found on the mountain (other than mere hiking trails) anywhere near the search area.

The subject of this ghost road has come up repeatedly in the 40 years since that night, and we were searching for the road as late as the early 1990's.

We still don't know where they were that night. The five ghost road travelers were consistent in their descriptions of the route and its location, and adamant that the ghost road lay in the area we searched for years.
 

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Thanks for that, Enola. I see that stories of Phantom highways exist, but
I guess not as much as Highway Phantoms.

Spudrick68 said:
He appears to write about a haunting however tenuous the source. (Why does the word 'tenuous' not look right? I doubt myself now).

Sorry - it didn't appear to send my post first time round!
Yes, I got it from one of his Kindle books "The Haunted City"

So not knowing much else, he isn't considered a trustworthy source as far as this community goes.

Tenuous: "having little substance or strength : flimsy, weak" Ok.



I did listen to the Telly Savalas story. I googled the story as well and there were some wildly varying accounts. The baseball player was more likely Harry (The Golden Greek) Aganis who died at the age of 26 in 1955, giving us the year and 1953 the year of Mr. Cullen's death. Telly's acting career did not get started until 1959, and his Twilight Zone episode was in 1963. White Castle is a famous hamburger chain that got going in 1921 before McDonalds. They have a lot of them in the New York City area.

Wasn't able to track down James Cullen, but quite a celeb story.
 

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Thanks for the background. Telly was of Greek descent, which would be why he mentioned that baseball player if he was Greek too. Of course, you have to bear in mind Telly was an actor and would have loved to tell stories to a rapt audience, so there may have been some embellishment in the telling for performance reasons.
 

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Re: Phantom carriageways?

genex17 said:
While there are phantom hitchhikers,I have also read about "phantom carriageways" ...

Anyone ever hear of such a thing?
Yes there's supposedly one about a mile from my house across a place called Garngoch common. I've only heard about if from one source a book on local ghosts which I read years ago. As I recall though the road apparently appears to directly connect the B4560 to the village of Penllergaer. It doesn't happen to me though apparently I have to go round.

The area itself has a bit of history and has a few ghost stories attached to it. The place seems to have attracted bad luck and violence dating right back, it was a Roman army camp, then the site of a few Dark Age battles, finally in the Medieval period it was the site of a particularly bloody massacre/smashing day out, depending on your side, from which it gets its name which translates into English as the red or bloody place.

EnolaGia that's a very interesting story. I had a similar, although not as spectacular, experience last year, although that got resolved.

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewt ... c&start=30

I'd be interested to see the area you're talking about on the satellite view.
 

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Re: Phantom carriageways?

oldrover said:
EnolaGia that's a very interesting story. I had a similar, although not as spectacular, experience last year, although that got resolved. ...

I'd be interested to see the area you're talking about on the satellite view.
Thanks ...

If you enter "Holston Mountain" (quoted string) on Google Maps it will take you directly to the area in question. US Highway 421 is the northern boundary of the search area. Tennessee state highway 91 (to the east of the mountain) is where they claimed to have come out after going over the mountain.

Multiple additional roads have been added on both sides of Holston Mountain over the last 40 years. What was essentially a single route called Flatwoods Road back then now appears as a sort of chain of roads labeled Camp Tom Howard Road, Flat Woods Road, and Big Creek Road on the current map.
 

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Thanks for that, it looks like a very nice place.

I'll read the post again and compare it to the map.
 

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While there seems to be a thread of ghost taxi passengers, it's in IHTM. These reports seem similar to ghost hitchhikers, so I am putting it here.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/japan-taxi-drivers-pick-ghost-passengers-tsunami-hit-towns-1539387

"Several taxi drivers from towns in northeast Japan have reportedly had encounters with "ghost passengers" who disappear upon reaching their destination. The episodes have occurred in towns, like Ishinomaki, which were badly affected by the 2011 tsunami.

The news surfaced after a research conducted by sociology student, Yuka Kudo, 22, from the Tohoku Gakuin University who reportedly interviewed over 100 drivers as part of her study. Kudo noted interviewing a taxi driver in his 50s who recalled having a ghost encounter with a woman near the Ishinomaki Station.

The female passenger allegedly asked the driver to be taken to the Minamihama district to which the driver responded: "The area is almost empty. Is it OK?" The woman next said: "Have I died?" Upon turning back to answer the woman, the taxi driver says the car's rear seat was empty.

Several similar incidents have been reported by
taxi drivers leading to unpaid fares since the drivers reportedly started their meters in all cases believing the passengers were living people. None of the drivers, however, reported being scared of the ghosts.

According to the interviews, Kudo said most of the ghosts were identified to be young. "Young people feel strongly chagrined [at their deaths] when they cannot meet people they love. As they want to convey their bitterness, they may have chosen taxis, which are like private rooms, as a medium to do so," said Kudo, reported The Asahi Shimbun. "[Through the interviews], I learned that the death of each victim carries importance ... I want to convey that."

The magnitude-9 earthquake and tsunami that hit northeastern Japan in March 2011 claimed over 16,000 lives, according to Japan's National Police Agency. "The places where people say they see ghosts are largely those areas completely swept away by the tsunami,' said Keizo Hara, a psychiatrist in Ishinomaki, reported The Daily Mail.

"We think phenomena like ghost sightings are perhaps a mental projection of the terror and worries associated with those places. It will take time for the Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) to emerge for many people in temporary housing for whom nothing has changed since the quake.""
 

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Sort of connected to road ghosts :)oops:) - I was wondering if anyone knows any tales about haunted fields? I know about Dorothy Durant at Botathen and "David Lang"/The Difficulty of Crossing a Field by Ambrose Bierce and I'm trying to track down as many as I can on-line, but many haunted fields are probably rather localised stories that may be harder to find just sat at my laptop. So before I start trying to break into the Bod to read old story collections, I thought I'd take the easy option of canvassing you, dear readers!

So, if you have any family or local tales, or have ideas for interesting websites, I'll be thrilled and hugely grateful!!
 

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Thank you for having a look. I should have said that I'm only interested in haunted fields (or fields with a "reputation") in England and Wales. Maybe they are near (or have) standing stones, or have since been built over but previously had had some mystery (like Charles Walton's death), ghost, or legend attached (ruined crops, animals falling sick, general bad luck.) Perhaps the field might be associated with witches, the Devil, or fairies?

I will be checking out fields where battles took place but my main interest is in much smaller scale incidents; someone getting mangled in a combine harvester or chopped by a plough followed by stories of their spirit hanging around thereafter.

I should add: no more scary ghost videos!!! I still need to sleep!! ;)
 

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You are in ghosts - general and you don't want scary ghost stories? I predict a poor outcome...
 

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Thank you for having a look. I should have said that I'm only interested in haunted fields (or fields with a "reputation") in England and Wales. Maybe they are near (or have) standing stones, or have since been built over but previously had had some mystery (like Charles Walton's death), ghost, or legend attached (ruined crops, animals falling sick, general bad luck.) Perhaps the field might be associated with witches, the Devil, or fairies?

I will be checking out fields where battles took place but my main interest is in much smaller scale incidents; someone getting mangled in a combine harvester or chopped by a plough followed by stories of their spirit hanging around thereafter.

Surely this might get interesting.http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ameras-create-stir-over-privacy/#.V7kAv5Lr2xQ I notice in the article one prefecture has a 50% security cam. rate in their Taxis. If the trend continues it will be interesting to get one on the camera if it hasn't been done already.
 

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Thank you for having a look. I should have said that I'm only interested in haunted fields (or fields with a "reputation") in England and Wales. Maybe they are near (or have) standing stones, or have since been built over but previously had had some mystery (like Charles Walton's death), ghost, or legend attached (ruined crops, animals falling sick, general bad luck.) Perhaps the field might be associated with witches, the Devil, or fairies?

I will be checking out fields where battles took place but my main interest is in much smaller scale incidents; someone getting mangled in a combine harvester or chopped by a plough followed by stories of their spirit hanging around thereafter.

I should add: no more scary ghost videos!!! I still need to sleep!! ;)
Garngoch, here;

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Garngoch Hospital/@51.6549421,-4.0063414,958m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xb35d7346f404ae7f!8m2!3d51.6583965!4d-4.0112767

I'm talking about the sort of trapezoid area between Hospital Road, the A484 and the B4560, which was once the Roman road to Carmarthen and their gold mines at Pumsaint.

The area has given up Beaker artifacts, and there was once a Roman military camp there. It's got a brutal history. Most notably it was also the site of a very brutal massacre in the battle of Llwchwr on New Years Day 1136. When the Welsh slaughtered a Norman army from South Gower.

I've amended this post as I write it because while Googling for a few facts I came across my own post, earlier on this thread. I've posted it here again, slightly edited;

I once came across an account, think it was in an American book rather than one on local ghost stories, regarding a phantom road across one of our ancient battlefields, Garngoch common, translated as red or bloody place, or as the place with no soul or place with no heritage*, depending on who you listen to. The area in question has got a very bloody history, with a Dark age battle and early medieval battle/ethnic cleansing episode.

All of which has nothing to do with the story which involves someone being lost presumably along the A483 then taking a turning to find himself at his destination the village of Penllergaer on the other side of the common. When describing his route as for some reason he decided to do, to one of the residents he was supposedly told that the road he'd taken had gone years previously but occasionally reappeared (though there is another full time road across the common), presumably to vex the odd unwary traveller by delivering them to their destination by a slightly more convenient route.


In addition to the ghost road, there's also the story of a young girl's ghost who's seen crying at the grave of her other half who killed in one of the battles there.

I should add, that it's a lovely place in fact. With no unpleasant atmosphere. But it has got the stories attached to it.

*Although Red Mound or Red Cairn is the better translation, the other incorrect versions may reflect opinion or tradition about the area.
 

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Thanks for that! Sounds more like they were being haunted by IMAX 3D, though! Wasn't Peter Underwood known for embellishing his tales, or was that Peter Haining? Or was it both?

Haining definitely did and I think even though I don't want to think so Underwood did too.

Have some 70's supernatural boobs

 
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