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Phantom Plane of Barnoldswick

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[edit: I managed to get the old report from the Google cache:

Couple tell of 'ghost' plane mystery

A VISITOR to Barnoldswick was astounded to see a large grey aeroplane appear out of the mist near the Rolls- Royce factory - and then vanish.

The plane looked as though it was going to hit both her car she and her partner were travelling in, as well as nearby houses, but a second later it had disappeared without trace.

Moira Thwaites, a retired policewoman from Nelson, explained that she and her partner Malcolm Spensley, of Gargrave, were travelling towards Barnoldswick along Skipton Road at around 11.20am last Tuesday. As they approached Rolls-Royce's Bankfield factory both said they saw a huge, grey coloured plane - possibly a Lancaster bomber-type with four propellers - emerging silently from the mist to their right.

A split second later they were past it, but saw nothing more.

"It was so low I fully expected it to hit us, or at least hit the houses near the Bankfield site," she said. "We both fully expected to at least hear the impact of a crash, but there was nothing. And when we both looked back there was nothing. Whatever it was had vanished."

Mrs Thwaites added: "There wasn't a sound from the engine at all. It was really weird, but we both know what we saw and I just wondered if anyone else had reported seeing anything."

To try and explain her experience, Mrs Thwaites contacted aerial phenomena expert Donald Cooper, president of the Skipton research society SERIUS. He is now eager to hear from anyone else who has seen the same image, or witnessed something similar at another time.

"I spoke at length to Mrs Thwaites," said Mr Cooper. "She is a very sensible and intelligent person who, possibly because of her being an ex-policewoman, is not easily fazed.

"We know from research that `phantom' aircraft have been seen around Yorkshire.

"It is difficult to come up with a reasonable explanation that people can understand. There is a lot of electrical energy and physics that we are not even aware of surrounding the earth and a site like Rolls-Royce itself generates a great deal of electrical energy. Mrs Thwaites is adamant what she saw was a plane, but whether it was something breaking through another dimension or paranormal activity I cannot tell her," he added.

Mr Cooper is investigating the sighting and would be interested to hear from anyone who may have witnessed something similar. He is also interested to hear from anyone who knows of planes crashing in the area. He can be reached on 01756 795006.

no link to the site but the Google search is:

http://www.google.com/search?q=+phantom+plane+site:thisisbradford.co.uk

and now the follow up:]

Phantom plane mystery deepens

THE mystery surrounding the sighting of an historic low-flying aeroplane near Barnoldswick has deepened.

Following last week's story in which a couple told how they saw a Lancaster bomber-type plane on collision course with houses near the Rolls-Royce site at Bankfield, Skipton aerial phenomena expert Donald Cooper was inundated with phone calls from people all over Craven who reported similar sightings.

Most told of what they described as a low flying Lancaster-type plane and several said they had seen it the same day as the couple in the story, but in different locations.

Others were unsure of the day, but most were uniform in their description of the aircraft in that it was dark grey, with no markings and, although the propellers were rotating, was making no sound.

"I must have taken 30 or more calls since Friday from a variety of people ranging from professionals to members of the public, councillors to pub landlords," said Mr Cooper.

"Some have even come forward saying they saw something of that description several years ago. In particular one elderly gentleman rang to say he had seen the plane the article referred to.

"He also said there used to be an old airfield at Greenberfield Lane (in Barnoldswick) which I didn't know about."

Coincidentally, Mr Cooper pointed out that an article had also appeared in a national newspaper last Friday about "time slips", which said there had been many reports of people claiming to have seen World War Two aircraft as if re-running missions, often silently, from 60 years before.

Both Mr Cooper and his co- researcher Joseph Skelton now want to know if anyone has any knowledge of any aircraft making a forced landing near Greenberfield Lane in Barnoldswick during the last war. They can be contacted on 01756 791957 or 01756 795006.

http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__district/skipton/news/SKIP_NEWS24.html

Emps
 
A Royal Canadian Air Force Wellington crashed in January 1944 at Oakworth, about 8 miles from Barnoldswick. Wellingtons only had 2 engines, however.

more here:

http://jeano.bravehost.com/

My brother's mate works for RR on that site. If I see him soon I'll ask of he knows anything.

incidentally (and neatly coincidental) my brother and I were driving home from a camping trip a couple of years ago. When we were pootling along some back lanes (I can't recall where exactly... I think it was somewhere near York) we both saw the unmistakable shape of a Spitfire zoom very low over the trees ahead of us, then over us (I watched thru the sunroof), and then I turned round to watch it... but it didn't appear. It had vanished somewhere above our car. We both noted there was no sound and the 'plane was a total silhouette with no detail at all.

I did post this on a thread somewhere else on here, but It was ages ago and the thread seems to have been deleted.
 
zygmunt said:
incidentally (and neatly coincidental) my brother and I were driving home from a camping trip a couple of years ago. When we were pootling along some back lanes (I can't recall where exactly... I think it was somewhere near York) we both saw the unmistakable shape of a Spitfire zoom very low over the trees ahead of us, then over us (I watched thru the sunroof), and then I turned round to watch it... but it didn't appear. It had vanished somewhere above our car. We both noted there was no sound and the 'plane was a total silhouette with no detail at all.

There was an RAF base just south of York, RAF Church Fenton. They used to have air displays every year when I was a kid... Red Arrows, Spitfires, Wellingtons, Lancasters. I loved it! Most vivid memory is the constant prescence of those beautifully-shaped Vulcan bombers that were stationed there...
 
what's the one that had a glass bubble/fishtank on it? fast, bomber, developed from civiilan plane....

I think I'm losing my memory here... :(

Kath
 
Nimrod?
Had a sort of bubble on the front protecting various bits of electronic stuff. Don't think it was a bomber though.

here, for example

Actually, seems that was just one variant of the Nimrod, housing early warning stuff in nose and tail.

Steve.
 
Yeah, I thought Nimrod but it just had an odd disc on it's back didn't it?
 
no... that's far too modern!

silhouettes wrong too - the nose and the engines are much more in a line... not exactly but the nimrod seems to have nearly half the body length forward of the engines.

I haven't had a fortean experience with one - I just knew someone who had piloted one and hearing him talk about it was a marvellous experience.

Dorniers are my weakness but, alas, also have no fortean angle I can bring to mind.

Thanks anyway, it'll com eback to me :)
 
The Spitfire was developed from a racing seaplane, the Supermarine S5, I think. It won the Schneider trophy. The Spitfire had a bubble canopy, too.

After ww1, The Luftwaffe was restricted as to what power output their 'planes could have, and they developed their aircraft within these parameters, a tweak here... a weight saving there, which meant by the outbreak of WW2 they had a stable of very advanced aircraft. The bombers, for example had ostensibly been developed as passenger 'planes, but with a rather terrifying hidden agenda.:eek!!!!:
 
the one I'm looking for was allies... :(

Not the dornier!

Kath
 
B17 ?
Allied bomber, big glass bowl on the front for .. err, gunner or bomb aimer or someone...
Think it had a glass bubble that hung underneath too. I had a feeling there was a British one that had that too. Apparently not a place to be sitting when landing with failed undercarriage...

Steve.
Edit: Or Lancaster ?
 
stonedoggy said:
what's the one that had a glass bubble/fishtank on it? fast, bomber, developed from civiilan plane....
Kath

As an ex-RAF Nimrod groundcrew chappie, I suppose I ought to pipe-up here and inform the thread that There was an Airborne Early Warning (EAW) variant of the Nimrod that had a large bulbous nose - but it wasn't transparent. There was, to my knowledge, no variant that had a circular, top-mounted, radar.

In about 1980, I had a ride in a French Airforce Atlantique aircraft that had a large transparent perspex nose with an Observer's seat in it. I sat in the Observer's seat on landing....WOW. It was quite something.

See a photo HERE
 
The lancaster had sort of glass bubbles all over it... 3 gun turrets, a large perspex glass cockpit, bomb-aimers window and an astrodome. After the war some of the redundant Lancasters were converted to civilian airliners called Lancastrians... the Stardust which vanished near Mount Tupungato, Argentina in 1947 (after transmitting the mysterious message STENDEC) and was found a few years back was one.


Some nice pictures here
 
There's always the Optica, as used by Hampshire police. The first production model of which crashed the day after it was accepted.

Very glassy and round.

Steve.
 
none so far..... although that's a great variety of sites..... :)

er.. you do realise that I could well just have Got It Totally Wrong?

I'm remembering contemporaneous photos of him and his time outside this plane...

Kath
 
A couple of friends of my mother saw a similar plane, in Wiltshire quite a few years ago, the same type of story- the plane was flying very low and disappeared over a hill in such a way thet left them sure it had crashed, when they got over the hill (they were driving) there was no sign of the plane, then they realised it had had no markings at all and was totally silent, it was a big old Hercules type plane.
 
nice site emps!

the wellington is closer becuase of the shorter distance netwen nose tip and engine tips. But it's not right becuae.... well becuase it's a wellington I suppose :confused:

I'm sorry about this! I/know/ what I mean, I just can't retreive the name. SigOth may remember and will be back soo.

Marion, did your mum think something was odd at teh time or was it afterwards that the oddnesss settled into place for her?

If I'm ever lucky enough for it to happen to me I suspect it'll be te latter.

kath
 
OK, any of the ones on this list ?

Or this more definitive one ? (That's assuming of course that it was a WW2 one?)

Steve.
Bah, the sink in my office is gurgling at me again and starting to spit water out. I'm half expecting to come into work tomorrow and find the place flooded.

Edit: Note, that second link seems to chuck loads of popups up and crashed IE. Recommend running it in a decent web browser with all popups and scripting disabled...
 
Hooray ;)
Another pic (from the second link, but without having to navigate all the popups) is here

Shows the nose quite well, even if a bit small...

Steve.
 
nice one..... funny what sticks with you when you're looking at something isn't it?

perhaps as well I've not had a "ghost" plane experience.... I can imagine trying to pin down what it was.....:D


wings... it had wings..... yes, def wings....

I've some pictures of the munich museum dornier if anyone would like to see them?

kath
 
I've got a nice picture of a Lockheed Blackbird spy plane that I took when I was about 8. Well, I say 'nice' - 'distant and slightly out of focus and faded' would describe it better, but it was a long time ago, before I got a real camera.

Wasn't a ghost though (touching briefly back on topic, even if only tangentially), just at an air show.

Steve.
 
a mate of mine says he saw a ghost plane in his back yard. i reckon he is full of it though.
 
post it? I mean, if we don't know what these things look like we might mistake ghost versions for griffons or something!

Kath :)
 
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