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Eating Non-Food Items (Pica; Eating Stunts; Etc.)

Heckler said:
Athena said:
Are there cases of people who eat like this and it doesn't cause problems? I know, how would we know?

I can't find it on Google but I do recall a guy who eats cars (literally) though I always assumed it was a similar trick to sword swallowing and glass eating fakirs of India i.e. For the glass eat loads of bananas before hand then crunch up the glass on the back teeth until it's a fine powder, it then gets stuck in the banana and is 'passed'.

One would struggle to do that with metal - the trick to glass eating is to reduce the glass to sand so it can be embedded in the banana. That said the man who eat cars and planes (Mr Mange Tout - see the start of this thread - I merged everything together as the answers are here) was said to have had extra thick stomach lining and an extra set of teeth.
 
Emperor said:
One would struggle to do that with metal - the trick to glass eating is to reduce the glass to sand so it can be embedded in the banana. That said the man who eat cars and planes (Mr Mange Tout - see the start of this thread - I merged everything together as the answers are here) was said to have had extra thick stomach lining and an extra set of teeth.

Agreed but I believe he is more like a conjurer in the sense that he swallows metal in small amounts and then regurgitates.
 
Heckler said:
Emperor said:
One would struggle to do that with metal - the trick to glass eating is to reduce the glass to sand so it can be embedded in the banana. That said the man who eat cars and planes (Mr Mange Tout - see the start of this thread - I merged everything together as the answers are here) was said to have had extra thick stomach lining and an extra set of teeth.

Agreed but I believe he is more like a conjurer in the sense that he swallows metal in small amounts and then regurgitates.

Nasty :(

Although better than trying to get it out at the "other end" ;)

I'm sure I've seen X Rays of him showing metal passing through his system though.
 
Emperor said:
I'm sure I've seen X Rays of him showing metal passing through his system though.

Hmm smoke and mirrors perhaps, though the thought of passing a wing mirror from a Vauxhall Vectra made me wince. :shock:
 
Heckler said:
Emperor said:
I'm sure I've seen X Rays of him showing metal passing through his system though.

Hmm smoke and mirrors perhaps, though the thought of passing a wing mirror from a Vauxhall Vectra made me wince. :shock:

Yeah if required I'll pass the smoke and you can pass the mirrors.

Although not something on a par with full scientific scrutiny he has been examined by the Guiness World Record people and a number of doctors during his attempts.

I'm unconcvinced it is as straightforward as it seems but....
 
Cockroaches tickle Indian palate

Cockroaches give most people the creeps, but one man in southern India licks his lips when he sees them.
Ramesh Kumar, 25, says he has been eating the pests for years.


"I used to like insects and lizards from childhood," he told Reuters television. "After catching them for so long I have lost all fears about them."

Now Mr Kumar, a goldsmith in the city of Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu state, says he wants to eat 50 in a minute and break the world record.

"The present record in the Guinness Book stands in the name of a person who ate 36 cockroaches. I want to make it at least 50," he says.

His liking for snacking on cockroaches developed gradually, he says.

As a youngster he began catching them to see what they tasted like, and his fondness for the tough, beetle-like insects grew.

Mr Kumar also has other records in mind.

He says he is willing to spend a day cooped up in a coffin-sized glass case with 25,000 cockroaches, if that's what it takes.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/w ... 251571.stm
Published: 2005/02/09 19:40:22 GMT

© BBC MMV


this could easily fit in Pointless Endeavours too.
 
This is weird. I had no idea that Pica was a medical term for eating non-food items.

I find it particularly strange as Pica is the name of a small village about five miles from here! I assume from Emps' posts that it's derived from the Latin for magpie, as there was a Roman settlement nearby, rather than the inhabitants eating glass, nails and dirt.

Mind you, looking at some of the hilllbillies that live there....
 
I was telling this story to some friends recently but couldn't remember wich colection of inbreeds the individual belonged to. Can anyone tell me?

Countess Marie von Larisch, and the memoir is called "My Past".
 
Stormkhan said:
A lightbulb might have some chemical inside it that acted as an irritant to Brady.

It may not have been a lightbulb - it may have been a neon tube light. The inside of these lights is coated with a compound of mercury, which is pretty poisonous.
 
Not quite sure if this fits but I am sceptical of his denials:

Doctors fail to nail down problem of mystery vomiting

PHUKET, Mar 12 (TNA) - Doctors in Thailand's southern resort province of Phuket were left perplexed today over the mysterious case of a teenage construction worker who was admitted to hospital after vomiting a three-inch nail, a knot and a length of string.

The mystery deepened when the 17 year-old, Mr. Samorn Ngamphosri, who hails from the north-eastern province of Buriram, claimed never to have knowingly ingested any of the objects.

Mr. Samorn was rushed to Patong Hospital last night complaining of severe stomach ache.

After vomiting out the objects, he was transferred to the larger Wachira Phuket Hospital, where an x-ray determined the presence of another one-inch nail lodged in his intestines.

Doctors said that they would be forced to operate unless he vomited it out.

Mr. Samorn, who prior to the December tsunamis worked as a kitchen assistant in a local restaurant, admitted to being as baffled as the doctors over how the objects had got inside his stomach.

He said that he had no enemies, and that he had never eaten any nails, knots or string. (TNA)--E006

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Don't know if this is unusual but I've always been fond of certain smells which most people dislike. I could bathe in mothballs for instance, I love the scent of them so much. Certain markers also give off a strong chemical smell which I love. I guess the scent you get when rain falls on a pitch road or newly cut grass might be a favourite with others as well. I just find certain strong chemical scents to be alluring, and if I was prone to such weakness, I could see myself inhaling dangerous concentrations of them and causing untold physical damage. So I mostly try to avoid them as much as possible. Can anyone else relate?
 
When my brother was about 3, he ate a battery and a Christmas light (the kind from off the tree). He somehow managed to "pass" both of them perfectly intact... I think he was influenced by the Curious George story when the crazy little monkey ate a puzzle piece.

Anyway, has anyone ever been to the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia? I went there during my prom weekend.... Anyway, they have entire catalogs of things that were fished out of people's stomachs. Razors, coins, pins, buttons.... drawers full of them! The Mutter is my favorite place on earth, it is my Mecca.....
 
anthrochick said:
Anyway, has anyone ever been to the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia? I went there during my prom weekend.... Anyway, they have entire catalogs of things that were fished out of people's stomachs. Razors, coins, pins, buttons.... drawers full of them! The Mutter is my favorite place on earth, it is my Mecca.....

I got the book for Xmas and it is truly amazing (ever Fortean should buy it!!) - if I ever get to the States it is on my "too see" list above the Grand Canyon ;)

More discussion of the museum here:

www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8815
 
Dana said:
Don't know if this is unusual but I've always been fond of certain smells which most people dislike. I could bathe in mothballs for instance, I love the scent of them so much. Certain markers also give off a strong chemical smell which I love. I guess the scent you get when rain falls on a pitch road or newly cut grass might be a favourite with others as well. I just find certain strong chemical scents to be alluring, and if I was prone to such weakness, I could see myself inhaling dangerous concentrations of them and causing untold physical damage. So I mostly try to avoid them as much as possible. Can anyone else relate?


Sort of along the same lines, when I was a child, I found the smell of new tires and the cork wall paneling tiles popular in the 70's to be strongly attractive. I just figured that I had some weird predisposition to such smells, and assumed that everybody probably had some strange scent that they found tasty.
 
This subject made me think of my own asthma, especially Dana's post. I used to work construction, as a flagger, and as a result of breathing in all that exhaust, pollution, and fumes from the asphalt paving, I now have an asthma attack if I smell anything petroleum based.

My nephew, when he was little, would pick the little balls of lint off of his blankets, and eat it. Constantly. I found this odd, and even odder still, his mother did nothing to stop him. I imagine changing his diaper would have been like cleaning your dryers lint trap! :roll:
 
Dana said:
Don't know if this is unusual but I've always been fond of certain smells which most people dislike. I could bathe in mothballs for instance, I love the scent of them so much. Certain markers also give off a strong chemical smell which I love. I guess the scent you get when rain falls on a pitch road or newly cut grass might be a favourite with others as well. I just find certain strong chemical scents to be alluring, and if I was prone to such weakness, I could see myself inhaling dangerous concentrations of them and causing untold physical damage. So I mostly try to avoid them as much as possible. Can anyone else relate?

Yes, mothballs, markers, gasoline and Mentholatum or Vick's vaporub. I believe the last two have to do with a bout of pneumonia when I was 3, which left positive associations with them.
But the rest although they are very pleasant to me, no idea why. :confused:
 
Believe it: a tough story to swallow

HUMAN INTEREST: 27-year-old cancer sufferer says he digested household items for treatment

BY JERRY DAVICH
[email protected]
219.933.3376

This story ran on nwitimes.com on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 1:05 AM CDT



One pencil, one pen, one fork, two spoon handles, four plastic knives and two batteries -- AAs if it matters.

Eric Storm, 27, swallowed these items a week ago while staying at a local shelter.

Storm -- diagnosed with colon cancer in 2000, he said -- had hoped to gain a few hundred bucks from "Ripley's Believe It or Not!" for downing the household items so he could pay for cancer treatment.

Or he hoped he could get a one-way ticket from this region -- he arrived here a month ago looking for work -- back to Washington state, where he's originally from.

Either way, on May 31 Storm showed up at the emergency room of St. Margaret Mercy Healthcare Centers in Hammond with -- you guessed it -- a severe stomach ache, vomiting and bleeding. The hospital took him in, and four days later, extracted all the items from his stomach and G.I. tract.

Storm already has undergone three surgeries elsewhere for his cancer, he said. He didn't want to face a fourth.

He came to this region looking for work, through a friend's help. It didn't pan out, he said, because of his medical conditions.

He wound up at the State Street Center, a rehabilitation facility in Hammond, where he said he will stay sometimes after being released from the hospital.

Frank Lennon, executive director of the center, said Storm spent a few days at the shelter. But his staff was unaware of Storm's swallowing incident.

"We hoped he was going to do what was necessary to better his health," Lennon said. "We're sorry he chose not to."

Storm, an articulate man who said he has hopes of attending college, raising a family and finding a job as a mortician, said he does not have the eating disorder called pica, which compels sufferers to digest inedible items like buttons, zippers and coins.

Nor does he have a mental health issue, he said.


He simply wants to let people know that folks in his shoes need better health care options, and also that since being admitted to St. Margaret Mercy he's received kindness and understanding from nurses and doctors alike.

Storm also said hospital workers have put him in touch with the local trustee's office and the American Cancer Society.

Despite his praise, St. Margaret Mercy officials refused comment or input, saying only that a newspaper story would not be in Storm's best interests.

Storm disagrees.

"I just want to get back home to Spokane," he said from his hospital bed.

Lastly, believe it or not, Storm's swallowing adventure doesn't even come close to other digestible feats for Ripley's.

One man, a professional sword swallower, consumed an entire Cessna airplane -- piece by piece over a two-year period, according to Ripley's spokesman Tim O'Brien.

"We invite the weird and crazy, but not the stupid," he said.

Source
 
Mineral deficiency

Pica is said to be a response to mineral deficiencies. But, something about that is bothering me. Man made objects are a part of pica too, but how would the minds of people have any idea what sort of minerals appear in those materials? It seems to claim that the body naturally can know what is in all these things, but how does that happen? Maybe there's a gaping hole in my knowledge here. :?:
 
I'm a schoolteacher and lately I've been having terrible cravings for the blackboard chalk. Last day I had three sticks in my hand - white, yellow and blue. I was walking to class and was so overcome by the desire to crunch the chalk in my mouth that I almost made a diversion to the ladies room to eat them in secret. Instead I mentioned my odd craving to a co-worker and she told me she thought I had pica, possibly due to a lack of calcium in my diet. It could be true since I don't drink milk because i don't tolerate it well. I'm going to try calcium supplements and see whether my desire to eat chalk gradually abates.
 
Chinese Woman Eats Dirt For 11 Years

Woman Undergoes Tests At Beijing Hospital

POSTED: 7:12 am PDT May 12, 2006
UPDATED: 7:33 am PDT May 12, 2006

BEIJING -- A young Chinese woman is undergoing medical tests in Beijing after dining on dirt for 11 years.

The 18-year-old from Inner Mongolia was taken to Beijing by her parents, who wanted to know why she finds dirt appetizing.

She told Chinese television she started the habit when she was just 7 years old when she consumed dirt that was attached to the roots of grass.

Yellow mud is her favorite. Her eating habits have caused problems for the family's next-door neighbor, who has a mud roof.
Click here to find out more!

Chinese television reported that the woman can't help herself and keeps eating the roof.

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www.nbc4.tv/news/9205105/detail.html
 
80-year-old Woman Eats Stones for 70 Years

Epoch Times Staff
May 09, 2006


There is a mystical old woman living in a small village in Guofu town, Qijiang county, Chong Qing city, China. The woman is nearly 80 years old. For the last 70 years, she has eaten smallstones every day and appears to be healthier than other villagers her age.

According to the "Approaches to Science" TV program, Darong is a typical village in that area. However, because the strange old woman by the name of Luo Kairong lives there, this secluded village has become famous.

A villager said, "She is very healthy. We have never seen her unwell. She is competent at several things. She can carry things in the fields in winter and cut firewood in her bare feet."

We understand that Luo has eaten small stones for more than 70 years and even once ate half a wall. From her appearance, she looks like any other elderly peasant. There is nothing overtly different.

Granny Luo said that she is particular about the stones she eats. She never eats "soft" stones; her favorites are the very hard green sandstones gathered from the mountains. To her, the harder stones are tastier. She eats stones just like ordinary people munch on peanuts.

Looking at the doubtful expressions in our eyes, she brings a red cloth bag from her house and stuffs her mouth with a handful of gravel.

Granny Luo eats these stones nonstop and chews with great gusto. Seeing is believing. It is hard to believe that an 80-year-old woman could consume so many small stones.

Granny Luo told us that her teeth have been worn down from eating the stones. She has had to replace her dentures three times.

Then, why can an elderly person swallow a stone that is seemingly tasteless and hard to swallow without being choked or falling sick? Experts say this could possibly be related to the fact that Granny Luo has eaten soil since childhood.

According to Granny Luo, she was born into a very poor family. She had many brothers and sisters in her family and her family's financial situation was poor. She could not yet walk when she was two or three years old; therefore, she moved about by crawling. Because of the lack of food, Luo begun to eat soil. After she was married in Qijiang, she changed to eating stones because she did not like the taste of the soil there. Since then she has eaten stones daily for 50 years. During this period, Granny Luo tried to break the habit but she was not successful.

Granny Luo said that she cannot stop eating stones because she is accustomed to it. She will be uncomfortable if she doesn't eat some every day.

www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-5-9/41304.html
 
I found this siterecently while investigating why I have a strong craving for chalk ( I don't eat it). It's interesting the things that people crave - and do eat!
 
Docs Remove 119 Nails From Woman's Stomach

Saturday, July 1, 2006


(07-01) 04:45 PDT HANOI, Vietnam (AP) --

Physicians removed 119 nails — many of them rusty — from a woman's stomach months after she apparently swallowed them, a doctor said.

The 43-year-old woman arrived Wednesday at Hospital No. 121 in the southern city of Can Tho City, complaining of a severe stomachache, Dr. Tran Van Nam said Friday.

"After having her stomach X-rayed and scanned, we found a stack of strange objects and decided to operate as soon as possible," he said.

During surgery, doctors removed 119 nails, each about 3 inches long. Many were rusty, indicating they could have been in her stomach for months, Nam said.

The woman's stomach was scratched by the nails, but she did not suffer any major injuries, he said.

"Her life is not at risk now, and she is recovering," Nam said, adding that the patient was expected to be discharged soon.

source
 
A rather sad story:

Man dies after swallowing coins

AN INQUEST heard that a man who could not stop himself from eating unusual objects died soon after an operation on his bowel.

Dewi Evans suffered from a condition called pica which is an abnormal appetite or craving for substances that are not fit to eat.

The operation discovered a paper towel, a screw, a magnet and 54p in change inside his distended bowel.

Mr Evans, 61, had been a patient at the Hensol psychiatric hospital in Pontyclun, south Wales, from the age of six.

He was transferred to the Royal Glamorgan Hospital in Llantrisant on June 24, 2003, after complaining of stomach pain.

Susan Miller, the deputy manager at Hensol Hospital, told the inquest: “Mr Evans had very specialist care needs.

“An additional fence had to be erected around the hospital to prevent him from absconding and looking for items to digest."

The inquest in Pontypridd heard that four days after the various objects were removed during the operation at the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, Mr Evans died.

David Stock, a consultant pathologist, found the primary cause of death to be coronary heart disease and the secondary cause was an obstruction of the small bowel.

Coroner Philip Walters recorded a verdict of death by natural causes.


The Currant Bun via Fark.com
 
The man who ate everything - Pica Syndrome

There's a thread for this somewhere, so feel free to merge mods.

The Grauniad

'There's nothing he wouldn't eat'

A recent inquest found that a man had died swallowing a screw, a pen top, some coins and a magnet. Emine Saner reports on pica syndrome - a rare but deadly condition

Tuesday October 24, 2006
The Guardian



Last month, an inquest was held into the death of Dewi Evans, a 61-year-old man from south Wales. Mr Evans had been a patient at a psychiatric hospital in Pontyclun and was suffering from pica, a rare disorder which makes the sufferer feel a compulsion to eat non-food items. He had undergone surgery twice before, but died this time, after attempts to remove objects including a screw, a pen top, a magnet and some coins from his bowel. At the inquest, the hospital's deputy manager explained how an extra fence had to be erected around the hospital to stop Mr Evans going looking for things to eat, and how staff had to constantly monitor him in case he tried to swallow objects or drink bottles of cleaning fluid.

Common cravings in people with pica include the urge to eat soil, coal, rust, chalk and paper (in the 16th century it was given its name from the Latin for "magpie" due to the sufferer's often indiscriminate eating), although people have been known to ingest anything from animal faeces to bits of metal.
"Pica usually appears in people of a low mental age," says Gregory O'Brien, professor of developmental psychiatry at Northumberland University. "So it affects young kids and people with severe learning difficulties." Professor O'Brien says 1%-2% of people with learning disabilities suffer from extreme pica. "It's really not very common but when it occurs, it can be bad."

It can cause digestive problems - ingesting soil can lead to worm infestations and damage to teeth. It can also have grave consequences if the items consumed are poisonous or, as in Mr Evans's case, cause an obstruction in the intestines.

In 2002, a 62-year-old French man with a history of mental illness went to hospital complaining of stomach pains. An x-ray showed he had swallowed five kilograms of coins, necklaces and needles; his stomach was so heavy it had been forced down between his hips. He died after an operation to remove the objects. In 2000, Edward Cope, a 33-year-old man with autism from Manchester, died from complications after swallowing 10 buttons, a drawing pin, pieces of chain and bone and a large amount of black foam rubber.

People with pica have to be watched constantly. Vivien Cooper founded the Challenging Behaviour Foundation (thecbf.org.uk) to give parents of children with behavioural difficulties information and support. Her son, Daniel, who is now 21, has Cri du Chat syndrome, a genetic disorder that results in a range of learning disabilities and challenging behaviours - one of which is pica. "There is nothing he wouldn't consider eating," she says. "If we go to the beach, suddenly you'll think 'did he put something in his mouth?'. He has eaten sand, pebbles, stones, cigarette ends, pen tops, the ends of plastic razors, string, Sellotape. When he was younger, he drank a bottle of washing-up liquid. If he cuts himself, we can't put plasters on him because he'll eat them. He lives in a residential centre and recently ate some disposable rubber gloves. When he was younger, he learned that he could rip open a teddy and eat the stuffing."

Because Daniel's pica is inconsistent, Cooper says she, and the staff who help look after him, have to be always on their guard. "We have had to take him to hospital many times, mainly just to check something hasn't got stuck if we suspect he has swallowed something. You have to be constantly aware but in a way that doesn't inhibit his life, and you have to make sure his environment is right - he has laminate flooring in his room and an indestructible mattress."

There is no explanation for Daniel's pica. "He was given blood tests for zinc deficiency but nothing showed up."

In one American study, 25% of patients in psychiatric care were found to have pica and it appeared in 60% of people with autism (pica tends to be a symptom of something else rather than a disorder in itself).

There are two main types of the condition, says O'Brien. "Food pica, where what a person eats is edible but is not prepared for eating - for instance, I have had patients who would eat a catering-sized tin of coffee powder or gorge on marmalade or potato peelings - and non-food pica, where people eat anything else. Once it starts, it can be difficult to control."

Pica can also appear in young children who go further than just putting things in their mouths. It is normal for infants and toddlers to put things in their mouths but 20% of children will have pica (identified by eating a non-food item repeatedly for more than a month) at some point. Most will outgrow it but the disorder is commonly associated with autism and other learning difficulties, or in children who have suffered brain damage. "If it appears in young children, for the most part it improves with age," says O'Brien. "By two, they should really have stopped trying to eat non-food items. Most parents will watch them and try to divert them with something else."

It is also more common in severely neglected and deprived children who do not necessarily have a learning disability. "I have seen children in orphanages in the Ukraine and parts of eastern Europe who had been totally lacking in stimulation and some of them showed signs of pica. They would eat fluff off the floor and blankets, anything for a bit of stimulation," says O'Brien.

Some forms of pica can also be cultural. Geophagia (the consumption of earth, typically earth that has a high percentage of clay) is considered healthy in many places because people believe it can cure diarrhoea, stop nausea and remove toxins (kaolin is a clay mineral often used in commercial diarrhoea remedies). In some countries in Africa and south America, clay is sold to pregnant women as a "medication".

Although little research has been done on pica, many doctors believe that in some cases, it can be a sign of deficiency in some nutrients, especially iron, even when the items eaten do not contain the nutrients needed. Anecdotal evidence suggests that prescribing iron supplements can reduce or eliminate pica. Pagophagia is the compulsive consumption of ice and is thought to be a response to anaemia, perhaps because it soothes a swollen tongue, one symptom of low iron.

Pica can also start in pregnancy. Around 40% of pregnant women experience cravings and a small proportion of these will crave non-food items. Doctors and midwives have reported women craving coal, chalk, even cigarette ash. "There is a theory that it is linked to iron deficiency," says Gail Johnson, education and professional development adviser for the Royal College of Midwives. "For most women who have pica, it comes and goes and it usually only happens in the early stages of pregnancy. On the whole, most women are sensible and stick to an appropriate diet even if they do have cravings for odd things - we certainly don't recommend women go out and eat soil".
 
Vivien Cooper founded the Challenging Behaviour Foundation

"challenging behavour" - now there's a 21st Century euphemism for a lot of very difficult if not impossible to treat conditions.

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I have this as a byproduct of my pregnancy. It's a huge pain in the arse, metaphorically. I've been given no advice from healthcare workers- one midwife was surprised to hear I had cravings for chalk and sand.
The general advice has been "Just treat yourself to a cake or something when you get a craving". If I wanted a bloody cake I'd have one thanks!
As it is I am eating lots and lots of chalky antacid tablets and giving myself excess stomach acid as a result. But better than an impacted colon from eating sand and garden mud, I suppose. I actually look at people's chalk rubble driveways with an envious eye. Thank the gods I am due any day.
 
When I was pregnant years ago the then husband yearned for me to crave coal. He was most disappointed when I showed no interest in nutty slack during any of my four pregnancies. :lol:
 
kirmildew said:
As it is I am eating lots and lots of chalky antacid tablets and giving myself excess stomach acid as a result. But better than an impacted colon from eating sand and garden mud, I suppose. I actually look at people's chalk rubble driveways with an envious eye. Thank the gods I am due any day.

Best wishes for a trouble-free delivery and a healthy, happy baby! :)

I sympathise with the craving. I was there once, even eating the antacids. And I had no pregnancy to give me a cause. After a while I got sick of magnesia blocks and decided to start eating healthier and exercising. I am eating lots of salads, soy milk and fruit daily as well as working out often. Recently I suddenly realised my chalk cravings were gone, as I was playing with my niece and writing on her chalkboard. Strangest thing. Also, when I started with the salads I developed a sudden liking for lettuce. Since that's a pretty healthy thing to crave I'm contented, and delighted to find myself enjoying my healthy meals instead of enduring them. People are weird - or maybe just me. 8)
 
Back in 1967, when I was expecting my daughter, I couldn't resist eating MacLean's toothpaste and smelling Vim (the cleaning powder).
Even at the time, I suspected that they might share a certain ingredient.
I don't know what it could have been, and I don't think it's still in them nowadays.

My grandmother used to tell of how she had a craving for the sort or powdery starch used in laundering clothes, when she was expecting on of her children.
She said he was born covered with a sort of white film on his skin due to her eating habit, though I believe there is a medical term for this condition, nothing to do with starch!
 
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