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Pope Benedict XVI

Profile: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

By Ray Furlong
BBC News, Berlin

The suggestion that 78-year-old Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger could become the next pope has raised eyebrows in his native Germany - a country where the Catholic church does not arouse the same passions as it does in Italy or Poland.

Cardinal Ratzinger was born into a traditional Bavarian farming family in 1927, although his father was a policeman.

His studies at the seminary were interrupted during the war when he was drafted into an anti-aircraft unit in Munich.

His supporters say his experiences under the Nazi regime convinced him that the church had to stand up for truth and freedom.

But his critics say he stands for suppressing discussion within the church.

Wolfgang Cooper, a commentator on religious affairs in Germany, says the cardinal could become a divisive figure.

"I think if Cardinal Ratzinger was pope a large distance could grow between the leadership of the church and the faith," he says.

The cardinal is a "scientist" who "prefers intellectual discussions", says Mr Cooper, whereas many Catholics want priests and bishops "who will touch the hearts".

Cardinal Ratzinger has been a head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the Vatican's guardian of orthodoxy since 1981.

As such, he has also taken some uncompromising political positions, calling for pro-abortion politicians to be denied communion during the US election campaign for instance, or arguing that Turkey should not be admitted into the European Union.

As pope he would give the church a clear, if sometimes radical voice.

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Published: 2005/04/15 16:08:22 GMT

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April 17, 2005

Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth

Justin Sparks, Munich, John Follain and Christopher Morgan, Rome
THE wartime past of a leading German contender to succeed John Paul II may return to haunt him as cardinals begin voting in the Sistine Chapel tomorrow to choose a new leader for 1 billion Catholics.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whose strong defence of Catholic orthodoxy has earned him a variety of sobriquets — including “the enforcer”, “the panzer cardinal” and “God’s rottweiler” — is expected to poll around 40 votes in the first ballot as conservatives rally behind him.

Although far short of the requisite two-thirds majority of the 115 votes, this would almost certainly give Ratzinger, 78 yesterday, an early lead in the voting. Liberals have yet to settle on a rival candidate who could come close to his tally.

Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzinger’s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.

Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, his service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Poland and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Rome’s synagogue.

“John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people,” said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who is due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

“If they were to appoint someone who was on the other side in the war, he would start at a disadvantage, although it wouldn’t mean in the long run he wouldn’t be equally understanding of the concerns of the Jewish world.”

The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitler’s Brown Shirts forced the family to move home several times.

In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.

He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer.

Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp.

Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot — adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.

He has since said that although he was opposed to the Nazi regime, any open resistance would have been futile — comments echoed this weekend by his elder brother Georg, a retired priest ordained along with the cardinal in 1951.

“Resistance was truly impossible,” Georg Ratzinger said. “Before we were conscripted, one of our teachers said we should fight and become heroic Nazis and another told us not to worry as only one soldier in a thousand was killed. But neither of us ever used a rifle against the enemy.”

Some locals in Traunstein, like Elizabeth Lohner, 84, whose brother-in-law was sent to Dachau as a conscientious objector, dismiss such suggestions. “It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for others,” she said. “The Ratzingers were young and had made a different choice.”

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In 1937 another family a few hundred yards away in Traunstein hid Hans Braxenthaler, a local resistance fighter. SS troops repeatedly searched homes in the area looking for the fugitive and his fellow conspirators.

“When he was betrayed and the Nazis came for him, Braxenthaler shot himself because he knew he couldn’t escape,” said Frieda Meyer, 82, Ratzinger’s neighbour and childhood friend. “Even though they had tortured him in Dachau concentration camp he refused to give up his resistance efforts.”

Despite question marks over Ratzinger’s wartime conduct, the main obstacle to his prospects in the conclave — the assembly of cardinals to elect the new pope — is the conservative stance he has adopted as guardian of Catholic orthodoxy since John Paul named him to head the congregation for the doctrine of the faith in 1981.

His condemnations are legion — of women priests, married priests, dissident theologians and homosexuals, whom he has declared to be suffering from an “objective disorder”.

He upset many Jews with a statement in 1987 that Jewish history and scripture reach fulfilment only in Christ — a position denounced by critics as “theological anti-semitism”. He made more enemies among other religions in 2000, when he signed a document, Dominus Jesus, in which he argued: “Only in the Catholic church is there eternal salvation”.

Some of his staunchest critics are in Germany. A recent poll in Der Spiegel, the news magazine, showed opponents of a Ratzinger papacy outnumbered supporters by 36% to 29%.

As one western cardinal who was in two minds about him put it: “He would probably be a great pope, but I have no idea how I would explain his election back home.”

One liberal theologian,when asked what he thought of a Ratzinger papacy, was more direct: “It fills me with horror.”

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I did also find this site which seems to have crashed at the moment:

www.ratzingerfanclub.com
 
Yeah, CNN is reporting he's the guy. Well, he's now 78, so this is more of a caretaker situation than anything else, IMO. They simply wanted someone who would continue JP II's legacy and policies, but not for too long. He has horrible, reactionary, authoritarian views, even by the standards of the conservative bloc within the Roman Rite, but in 6-7-8 years when it's time for a new Bishop of Rome I have little doubt they'll go with someone a bit more forward looking. (And not from Europe. To be blunt, I'm not sure how 'catholic' anything can be accurately described when half of the membership is from Latin America but the power all rests in central and southern Europe.) There will be little choice but to select someone from the developing world next time out.

How to connect him to Malachy's prophecy about olives is the real question. :D



No Pope Keith!

:(
 
“the panzer cardinal”

Oh, FFS. Is everyone of Germanic heritage going to get beaten about the head with the Nazi stick till the end of time? Let it rest already.

For those of you who missed it: FFS!
 
lopaka said:
How to connect him to Malachy's prophecy about olives is the real question. :D
Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines.
Well, aren't the anti-aircraft guns and other wartime heavy weapons typically a sort of olive green colour? :)

Steve.
 
Lopaka said:
How to connect him to Malachy's prophecy about olives is the real question.

Aha! Malachy's prophecy is about the glory of the olive. St Benedict's order was known as the Olivetans. The new pope will be Benedict XVI.

Thank you very much!! 8)
 
New Pope

So the new pope was in the Hitler Youth. Any thoughts?
 
I think it maybe irelavant (sp). It was a long time ago, we dont know why he was in it and maybe he is truelly a holy man. I dont know.
 
probably because it was required at the time in Germany

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4445279.stm

At the age of 14, he joined the Hitler Youth, as was required of young Germans of the time, but was not an enthusiastic member.


http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3017

Hitlerjugend: An In-Depth History:

1936 - Jahr des "Jungvolks" - Year of the "Jungvolk"

by Arvo L. Vercamer



The reason 1936 was called "the year of the Jungvolk" was primarily because it was Baldur von Schirach's goals to enroll every German 10 to 14 year old boy into the "Jungvolk". On April 20th, 1936, the Führer's 47th birthday, von Schirach held a massive function at the Marienburg castle in East Prussia whereby all of Germany's "Jungvolk" swore an oath of allegiance to Germany and to Adolf Hitler

During the 1936 Olympic games, the HJ was on its best behavious. Orders were circulated that all youths were to assist foreign dignitaries and visitors as much as possible. They too represented the "new Germany" and had to do their part to portray a good and harmonious image of the Third Reich.



On December 1st, 1936, a law was enacted which made it mandatory for all German youths to be educated according to the philosophies of Nationalist Socialism from the age of 10 and higher. This was called the Reichsjugenddienstpflicht (mandatory youth service) and it essentially leagalized the HJ movement and organization while also neutralizing nearly every other, non-HJ affiliated youth movement.



The Reichsjugenddienstpflicht law had three primary points:

- Every German youth was now obliged to join the HJ.

- The purpose of the HJ was to prepare its members to faithfully serve the cause and the needs of German Nationalist Socialism.

- The Reichsjugendführer (National Youth Leader - in this case, Baldur von Schirach), was to ensure full compliance to all HJ goals and he was to report only to the Führer, Adolf Hitler.
 
modest conspiracy theory:

I: Ratzinger is, in secret, a Fascist Nutbar

II: Liberal cardinals know this

III: These cardinals have influenced the vote to get him in

IV: In position, power madness and insane Nazi tendencies will set in

V: Due to his age, an assassination can be made to look like death by perfectly natural causes

VI: After this, there will be a bias against reactionary control of the church and said liberal cardinals will get their own way for a bit (and Templar treasure stolen by Ratzinger's hitler youth brigade in Africa)
 
Is there any evidence that the new Pope has connections with the Bavarian Illuminati?

:shock:
 
78, ho-hum. He should have taken the name Pope Camilla because I think the next Papal death-thing will rate like the recent Royal Wedding. :?
 
Mythopoeika said:
James H said:
II: Liberal cardinals know this

Are there any liberal cardinals?

Yeah, they're the ones who don't want queers and heathens to burn for all of eternity.

Just most of eternity ;)
 
I don't think that many people get let off with the I was only following orders defence.
 
twinkletoes said:
Lopaka said:
How to connect him to Malachy's prophecy about olives is the real question.

Aha! Malachy's prophecy is about the glory of the olive. St Benedict's order was known as the Olivetans. The new pope will be Benedict XVI.

Thank you very much!! 8)

Malachy site
Gloria olivæ
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order.
Let's hope he lives a long life, because the next one will be the last (according to Malachy):
In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)
:shock:
 
Sadly, Hume is dead. We could've had a British Pope.
 
WooHoo said:
I don't think that many people get let off with the I was only following orders defence.

Except when you're a young teenager and defying the law may mean death for yourself and your family. Pope Benedict was in the Hitler Youth... so was every other German boy of his generation. To his credit, he did what was required of him and nothing more.

Jane.
 
apparently they weren't certain about the smoke ceremony think. it was grey. It's supposed to be white. You see if it's white, they have a new pope, if it's black, no pope... so it was grey.
 
Not so sure Jane. This is the leader of the Catholic church we're talking about.
If he lacked the moral fortitude to stand up for what he believed in then...
 
I wouldn't have thought he'd have been thinking "in 64 years I'm going to be Pope, I'd best not join the Hitler youth" at the time though, more like "we're at war, and the government says I have to join them".

although a quick look at the other Pope thread does bring up a few of his views from the past 25 years that are pretty objectionable
 
jima said:
I wouldn't have thought he'd have been thinking "in 64 years I'm going to be Pope, I'd best not join the Hitler youth" at the time though, more like "we're at war, and the government says I have to join them".

I don't suppose many of us think like that, but we still make decision based on our own morality thoughout our lives...

although a quick look at the other Pope thread does bring up a few of his views from the past 25 years that are pretty objectionable.

... of course maybe that's exactly what he did.

Anyway that's enough of that I'm sure he's a lovely bloke now...probably.
 
It might mean he was a soldier in a flak tower when he was 18.
 
Erm, all that says about the 'next' pope is:

9. The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.

Have I missed something?
 
Re: New Pope

liveinabin said:
So the new pope was in the Hitler Youth. Any thoughts?

It might cause a bit of embarrassment if Pope Ben wants to build a few bridges between Christianity and Judaism.
 
I daresay the last pope made some good efforts in that direction; Benedict and he were very close, so I'm sure he'll continue along those lines.

Of course, kraut-bashing is so much easier.
 
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