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This discussion continues to surprise me. 75% of all rock music is about sex, sometimes the innuendo is obvious , sometimes a bit more subtle Example from memory:

'I've got a room full of beautiful tunes lets go in there and make 'em work' The rest of the tune does not suggest the people involved are very old. Deniable, of course.
 

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'I've got a room full of beautiful tunes lets go in there and make 'em work' The rest of the tune does not suggest the people involved are very old. Deniable, of course.
I always read that as adults pretending to be children, Syd's kind of naif thing.
 

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I guess now is the time to debate "Baby, It's Cold Outside." (It's not really even a holiday song.) I hate that it's so pushy and predatory in both girl and boy movie versions .
 
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I guess now is the time to debate "Baby, It's Cold Outside." (It's not really even a holiday song.) I hate that it's so pushy and predatory in both girl and boy movie versions .
Here is a piece about that very song, the article isn't anti-PC, if anything it's PRo or at least putting things in context.

In the midst of all this, the old argument has arisen again about Baby, It's Cold Outside, the Frank Loesser song from 1944.

It's a date-rape anthem, some feminists say. Others point to feminist analysis of the song, which suggests it wittily depicts a woman of the time negotiating an alibi for spending the night with her lover. As it happens, I've been a Loesser fan since way, way back. He has form. His musical How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying was a satire on the roles of men and women in corporate America.

Loesser wasn't a feminist, but he was knowing and sceptical about these things, in the same way Billy Wilder was in his movie The Apartment. Such work reflected a current that was then small but growing and which later changed a lot of things. And that change is still being resisted. Which makes it worth knowing how these things work.

By the time Tom Jones and Cerys Matthews recorded Cold Outside in 1999, the context of the song was lost and they understood it as date-rape, with the video showing Jones spiking Matthews's drink. Twenty years ago, spiking a woman's drink was still seen in the mainstream as high jinks.

Today, the movement is strong, and if there are some whose antennae are too sensitive, so be it.

To anyone who respects Loesser's work, the date-rape label doesn't make sense. To today's feminists, who are still fighting an oppression that stretches from demeaning remarks to beatings, rape and murder, the subtleties of the 1940s don't seem terribly important.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/...-are-singing-the-same-old-songs-37607885.html
 

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I guess now is the time to debate "Baby, It's Cold Outside." (It's not really even a holiday song.) I hate that it's so pushy and predatory in both girl and boy movie versions .
The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (No cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell) (Why thank you)
I ought to say no, no, no sir (Mind if move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense of hurtin' my pride?)
I really can't stay (Baby don't hold out)
Baby it's cold outside


She's humorously rehearsing potential excuses for doing something society may judge immoral--the drink isn't spiked.

Anyone who thinks so is willfully misinterpreting.
 
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The neighbors might think (Baby it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (No cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (Your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell) (Why thank you)
I ought to say no, no, no sir (Mind if move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (What's the sense of hurtin' my pride?)
I really can't stay (Baby don't hold out)
Baby it's cold outside


She's humorously rehearsing potential excuses for doing something society may judge immoral--the drink isn't spiked.

Anyone who thinks so is willfully misinterpreting.
But as Gene Kerrigan points out (in my post above) it was spiked in a 1989 vid, that's what people likely remember.
 

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Hah, never realised that as I only knew the first two lines.

I mentally had it as 'boys' and a woman flirting with a group (soldiers, sailors?) on the platform.

Completely wrong!
I'm still wondering what the problem is. I feel so out of touch sometimes...


This discussion continues to surprise me. 75% of all rock music is about sex, sometimes the innuendo is obvious , sometimes a bit more subtle Example from memory:

'I've got a room full of beautiful tunes lets go in there and make 'em work' The rest of the tune does not suggest the people involved are very old. Deniable, of course.
You're not the only one. At this point I fully expect that I could look through the lyrics of one of my favourite bands - OMD - and find something 'unacceptable' :rolleyes: in there too.
 

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I guess now is the time to debate "Baby, It's Cold Outside." (It's not really even a holiday song.) I hate that it's so pushy and predatory in both girl and boy movie versions .
Well, I do like myself some old Blues (and many other things, too), but some of the lyrics, oh my...

Here's Sonny Boy Williamson's "Hello Little Schoolgirl" - covered by many others:


A bit from the lyrics:
Good morning little school girl
Good morning little school girl
Can I go home with
Can I go home with you?
Tell your mother and your father
I once was a schoolboy too

Then there's violence against women - totally rife in Blues music.
Robert Johnson - Me and the Devil Blue:
Me and the Devil, ooh
Was walking side-by-side
I'm going to beat my woman
Until I get satisfied
How about Howlin Wolf - Spoonful:
It could be a spoonful of water
To save you from the desert sand
But one spoon of love from my forty-five
Will save you from another man
Little Walter - Boom Boom Out Go The Lights:
I never been so mad before
When I found out she ain't mine no more
If I get her in my sight
Boom, boom, out go the lights
All that makes St Kendrick and his N Word look quite the sensitive new age guy he pretends to be. And yet, I love old Blue records and will continue to listen to them. When no one is around to get offended.
 
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And that's exactly what I'm thinking. If you don't want people to use that word, maybe stop using it yourself?
Absolutely, the recent Lamar example was particularly egregious. Inviting fans on stage to rap parts of songs, you can't then throw a hissy fit if a non-black fan decides to or accidentally raps all of the words.
 

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Ogred_Weary,

..If an African American wants to use the word "nigger" in their songs, they can do so of course ..

It's an Irish or Jewish joke thing.

Ok if the Irish or Jewish are telling them.

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Nick Lowe's poignant tribute to Marie Prevost

Mary Provost did not look her best
The day the cops bust into her lonely nest
In the cheap hotel up on Hollywood West/ July 29
She'd been lyin' there for two or three weeks
The neighbors said they never heard a squeak
For hungry eyes that could not speak
Said even little doggie's have got to eat

[Chorus]
She was a winner
That became the doggie's dinner

She never meant that much to me
(But now I see) Oh poor Mary
 

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That's the song the Stones were playing at Altamont when a crowd member tried to murder Mick Jagger and was murdered right back by a Hell's Angel.
 

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Ogred_Weary,

..If an African American wants to use the word "nigger" in their songs, they can do so of course ..

It's an Irish or Jewish joke thing.

Ok if the Irish or Jewish are telling them.

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To a degree, it's an anyone/everyone thing, if you're from a group (whatever it is) you can call that group out with a degree of legitimacy that outsiders can't. I'm not saying people who are "different" are above criticism.

It's also a personal thing, one call oneself an *insert expletive here* but it's a bit different if someone else calls you the same thing. Obviously if some goes around calling themselves a prick, sooner or later, other people are going to start calling them a prick.
 

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Young Girl, a Number 1 hit for Gary Puckett and the Union Gap in 1968, but actually written by songwriter Jerry Fuller. The lyrics are written from the viewpoint of an adult experiencing paedophilic sexual desires for an underage girl and basically blaming the girl for encouraging his desires:

Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl
You're much too young girl


With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe you're old enough
To give me love
And now it hurts to know the truth


Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl
You're much too young girl


Beneath your perfume and your make-up
You're just a baby in disguise
And though you know that it's wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes


Young girl, get out my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl
You're much too young girl


So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here
Before I have the time
To change my mind
'Cause I'm afraid we'll go too far


Young girl, get out my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl
You're much too young girl (repeat to fade)
 

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With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe you're old enough
To give me love
And now it hurts to know the truth


Looks as if she was doing the enticing.

We call them 'jail bait'.

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Speaking of which, cracking tune--dodgy lyrics!

I ought to get going
I shouldn't stay here and love you
More than I do
Cause you're so much younger than I am
Come up the years, come up the years
And love me, love me, love me

A younger girl keeps hanging around
One of the loveliest I've ever found
Blowin' my mind, stealin' my heart
Somebody help me 'fore I fall apart

I ought to get going
I shouldn't stay here and love you
More than I do
Cause you're so much younger than I am
Come up the years, come up the years
And love me, love me, love me

The things she's doing keep turning me on
And I've been happy to go right along
I know it's time that I said goodbye
I know I can't leave no matter how hard I try


 

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F.
So you don't fancy a bit of firm young body ? (male, of course).

There is, literally, only a minute between legality and public shaming (or worst).

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And, of course, there is 'Easy Money' by King Crimson. The unabridged version.

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Shave 'Em Dry .. pure filth from 1935 .. NSFW

Yeah, that's a great one. This is the "unexpurgated alternate take" according to Wikipedia. There's also a (somewhat) cleaner version that was released as a record. One of the few examples where we get to hear what they really played in the juke joints at the time.

Most of the records were somewhat sanitized for the general public.
 

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Also, it is curious what was acceptable and what wasn't. This verse was deemed too dirty for the Elvis Presley version of "Shake, Rattle and Roll":

Way you wear those dresses, the sun come shining through
Way you wear those dresses, the sun come shining through
I can't believe my eyes all that mess belongs to you


But - this one below, well that was perfectly fine:

I'm like a one-eyed cat peepin' in a seafood store
I'm like a one-eyed cat peepin' in a seafood store
Well, I can look at you till you ain't no child no more


Baffling.
 

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Any song by steel panther so iffy songs do still get writen they been going since 2000 will give the pc brigade/sjws an heart attack.

P.s glam metal sucks.
 
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INT21 said:


We call them 'jail bait'.

We call them dirty old men.

Also desperate.


Interesting response.

Clearly the verse shows that the woman is doing the enticing, and has led the man to believe she is older than she is, yet you automatically condemn the man.

One has to wonder why.

INT21.

p.s. Yes, I know I should have used the quote function, but for some reason it didn't work.
 

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That's the song the Stones were playing at Altamont when a crowd member tried to murder Mick Jagger and was murdered right back by a Hell's Angel.
A baby was also born at that gig.When asked about the murder of the young guy, Keith Richards replied that he same number of people that arrived at the gig,was also the same number that left the gig, so basically what was the fuss about?!
 

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Clearly the verse shows that the woman is doing the enticing, and has led the man to believe she is older than she is, yet you automatically condemn the man.

One has to wonder why.
You aren't referring to a "a woman" though are you? You are referring to a girl of 15 or younger. Yes, there's much complexity in human interaction and, yes, there's a fraction of a second between legality and illegality. In that situation it's up to the adult to take responsibility.
 
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