Precocious Puberty Panic

I keep thinking about those poor young girls starting so early, my heart goes out to them it really does.
I found it hard enough to cope with starting at 14, and there were still moments of high panic. Imagine being eight or nine and having to cope with finding a loo, watching the calendar (which was pointless in my case), carrying supplies etc etc. when you should be hanging upside down on the climbing frame and belting around the field playing tag.
 
I can recommend it. Being a man is great. I actually don't recall going through puberty it was so unremarkable. I don't remember my voice changing, although I have a deep voice. And not having menopause to look forward to is grand. I started loosing my hair in my late twenties and now shave what's left off, and we can joke about it and it's just a bit of banter not a threat to my self worth. And I don't have to wear a bra; those things always look very uncomfortable.
I can't remember either of my sons voices breaking ...just that one day they just had! Unlike one poor lad in my class who took weeks over the process. Deep deep deep ... squeak squeak squeak. Luckily he was a pleasant (unlike the rest of them who were arrogant oiks!) self confident sort who took all our unkind laughter in his stride.

Bras don't just look uncomfortable they actually are! A bunch of women at my friendship group including old, young, big boobed and small all could agree on that one!!

And don't get me started on the nuisance of facial hair for us older women!!
 
Bras don't just look uncomfortable they actually are! A bunch of women at my friendship group including old, young, big boobed and small all could agree on that one!!
Sports bras. They are the way forward - I can no longer put up with the underwired monstrosities of my youth, so I just wear pull on sports bras which are soft, don't slip off my shoulders and keep my norks pointing in more or less the right direction.
 
@catseye I never did go for the underwired ones. The brand I'd been using for years had a plastic support strip sewn into the sides which I always had to cut out!

Yes I've gone over to the sports bras since finding a company that does good quality ones. But even those I find irritating after a while as they are high in the back. If I win the lottery I'm going to have the bloody things cut off.

I knew about the Middle Eastern women @brownmane as I used to l live in a multicultural town. I know that many of them do not see the burka as a symbol of oppression but more as a garment of liberation! I understand why. There have been plenty of times when I wish I had one :)
 
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Sports bras. They are the way forward - I can no longer put up with the underwired monstrosities of my youth, so I just wear pull on sports bras which are soft, don't slip off my shoulders and keep my norks pointing in more or less the right direction.
I tried underwired years ago (not for long). They are truly developed from medieval torture tools.

Even the ones with no wire, but the side stays end up being an element of torture. Once they curve (and always toward the body) there is nothing to do to reshape them.

I recently found a couple of (expensive) brands that use nothing other than material in their bras. They are heaven sent and I will pay the extra.
 
I tried underwired years ago (not for long). They are truly developed from medieval torture tools.

Even the ones with no wire, but the side stays end up being an element of torture. Once they curve (and always toward the body) there is nothing to do to reshape them.

I recently found a couple of (expensive) brands that use nothing other than material in their bras. They are heaven sent and I will pay the extra.
I wear Spanx running bras. They are soft and supportive with no hard bits at all. They do tend to give one a bit of a 'uni-tit' and aren't exactly shapely, but they work without digging in anywhere.
 
I know we are veering off course from 'puperty panic' but while we are on the subject of bras. Ruth Goodman (the one who does those living history programmes with those two rather um let's just say, pleasant, young men) said in her book about the Victorians that in the spirit of authenticity she'd made herself a corset from a pattern of the time. She was a bit dubious as she'd wondered about going without a bra. To her surprise she found it so much more comfortable. Of course it was one of those everyday ones for servants and farmers wives and such, not those god awful ones that pulled the body into an hour glass figure!
 
Bras don't just look uncomfortable they actually are! A bunch of women at my friendship group including old, young, big boobed and small all could agree on that one!!
I think they're bloody uncomfortable too, but I seem to be surrounded by women who insist I just haven't been measured properly. Erm, I don't think a perfect fit will take away from the two biggest bugbears: a) the sensory nightmare of anything remotely compressing one's chest and b) the itchy elastic straps with their diggy plastic adjustors.

An over-the-head bra with broad cloth "straps" fixes the b) issue, but at the expense of the a) issue.
 
Spot on @LadyDunmail! Speaking to various friends we're all convinced that the manufacturers have started to maximise their profits by making the straps shorter or maybe it's because it's thought our boobs should be held higher? Whatever the resulting tightness under the arm adds one more discomfort factor.

Maybe we should start burning our bras again ... :(
 
Sports bras. They are the way forward - I can no longer put up with the underwired monstrosities of my youth, so I just wear pull on sports bras which are soft, don't slip off my shoulders and keep my norks pointing in more or less the right direction.

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I truly only wear one because I'm customer facing and I'm a runner/horserider. Anything faster than a very slow walk is uncomfortable, and gravity and age mean that, unsupported, I've got a VERY wide waistline if I don't wear a bra.
 
...gravity and age mean that, unsupported, I've got a VERY wide waistline if I don't wear a bra.

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Research reveals reality of Ice Age teen puberty


Landmark new research shows Ice Age teens from 25,000 years ago went through similar puberty stages as modern-day adolescents.

Found in the bones of 13 ancient humans between 10 and 20 years old is evidence of puberty stages.

...this new study shows these teens were actually quite healthy. Most individuals in the study sample entered puberty by 13.5, reaching full adulthood between 17 and 22 years old. This indicates these Ice Age adolescents started puberty at a similar time to teens in modern, wealthy countries.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135642.htm

maximus otter
 
I did wonder if it was because of the rampant starvation in pre-modern societies that kids were developing slightly later than they have in the last few decades, when we (in the First World at least) have a reliable supply of food again.
 
Spot on @LadyDunmail! Speaking to various friends we're all convinced that the manufacturers have started to maximise their profits by making the straps shorter or maybe it's because it's thought our boobs should be held higher? Whatever the resulting tightness under the arm adds one more discomfort factor.

Maybe we should start burning our bras again ... :(

I suffered from bad bras until a friend introduced me to the M&S basic range.

You can go in and get measured.

Comfy! Never looked back.
 
Spot on @LadyDunmail! Speaking to various friends we're all convinced that the manufacturers have started to maximise their profits by making the straps shorter or maybe it's because it's thought our boobs should be held higher? Whatever the resulting tightness under the arm adds one more discomfort factor.

Maybe we should start burning our bras again ... :(

Completely off-topic - but I highly recommend 'bra vests' (for the boobs, not the bravest!) which have a light front 'shelf' built-in and can sub for a bra unless wearing something posh, tight or racy or you have a chest size that needs steel girders. I find bras hellish and constricting. These things are great!

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On-topic - Menarche (starting menstruation) is medically 'normal' between the ages of 9-16 - the average is currently around 12/13yrs - it's related to genetics and nutrition mostly; when the body has gained enough height/weight, the hormones become more active and that then encourages a more adult shape and size which in turn triggers more hormones related to sexual biology.

One of my Aunties started her periods at the age of 8.5 yrs which is slightly unusual but not 'abnormal', and she was born in the immediate post WWII austerity decade. It has become slightly more common with the modern era, given the good and consistent nutrition the developed world enjoys in general.

Cases younger than this, especially when accompanied with hair growth in the armpits and groin is often down to something going askew with the hormonal system, and occurs in both females and males, and is treated as a medical condition. It is sometimes a signal of a brain tumor or injury, or something specifically wrong with the hypothalamus or pituitary gland.
 
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