gattino
Justified & Ancient
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Regulars here will know I'm frequently reporting matches between my dreams and future events.
As fortean experiences go its a relatively new fixation in hte last 2 years.
Whether you accept the reality of precogniton or not, I'm certainly in no doubt of it at all.
But the implications bother me.
One of the reasons I'm open to the possibiliy of survival is that "psychic" experiences like telepathy etc suggest the mind is not limited to the brain. So its not such a leap to imagine it survives the death of it. However precognition only suggests that our waking perception of time is wrong and doesn't require an "outside the head" consciousness at all to cover it. Yet more and more I realise that every "telepathic" experience I could previously point to can be covered by my acceptance of precognition instead.
Someone you're with says something obscure tht was just in your own head and you gasp and declare they, or you, must be telepathic. But perhaps you were thinking the same thing "simply" because you had precognized them saying it.
You become agitated with an overhwhelming sense that a loved one is in terrible trouble..then recieve the phone call that confirms it. Psychic bond? Or had you just precognized your own future experience of recieving the phone call?
Remote viewers in a CIA lab successfully describe a target at particular coordinates. Did their mind extend throuhg clairvoyance to see the scene? Or was it merely that they were picking up on their own future experience of having the target confirmed and/or shown to them? (if not in the lab, then certainly when the account is published by the researchers in a book!)
You see the problem? Because it is one. And it matters. Because suddenly all of these things cease to require that your mind ever extended beyond the limits of your skull. You may just have been picking up images from your own future. An astonishnig concept of course, but not one with nearly such profound implications for the possibility of survival of death.
So my question is, to those in the know, is this regularly and fully taken account of in studies and experiments into psi? Is it the case that in ganzfeld and zener and other typical tests, the subject is conclusively excluded from ever seeing the target afterwards (including in published material)? Are comparisons made between success rates when the subjects are later told what they were targetting and when they are not, in order to see if it makes a difference? And does it?
Or does anyone have an impressive "psychic" anecdote that they confidently say excludes the potential for precogniton,if it exists, to be the explanation?
It's not a challenge by the way.. I'm hoping the answer to all of these is yes. I'm just struggling to personally think of any.
As fortean experiences go its a relatively new fixation in hte last 2 years.
Whether you accept the reality of precogniton or not, I'm certainly in no doubt of it at all.
But the implications bother me.
One of the reasons I'm open to the possibiliy of survival is that "psychic" experiences like telepathy etc suggest the mind is not limited to the brain. So its not such a leap to imagine it survives the death of it. However precognition only suggests that our waking perception of time is wrong and doesn't require an "outside the head" consciousness at all to cover it. Yet more and more I realise that every "telepathic" experience I could previously point to can be covered by my acceptance of precognition instead.
Someone you're with says something obscure tht was just in your own head and you gasp and declare they, or you, must be telepathic. But perhaps you were thinking the same thing "simply" because you had precognized them saying it.
You become agitated with an overhwhelming sense that a loved one is in terrible trouble..then recieve the phone call that confirms it. Psychic bond? Or had you just precognized your own future experience of recieving the phone call?
Remote viewers in a CIA lab successfully describe a target at particular coordinates. Did their mind extend throuhg clairvoyance to see the scene? Or was it merely that they were picking up on their own future experience of having the target confirmed and/or shown to them? (if not in the lab, then certainly when the account is published by the researchers in a book!)
You see the problem? Because it is one. And it matters. Because suddenly all of these things cease to require that your mind ever extended beyond the limits of your skull. You may just have been picking up images from your own future. An astonishnig concept of course, but not one with nearly such profound implications for the possibility of survival of death.
So my question is, to those in the know, is this regularly and fully taken account of in studies and experiments into psi? Is it the case that in ganzfeld and zener and other typical tests, the subject is conclusively excluded from ever seeing the target afterwards (including in published material)? Are comparisons made between success rates when the subjects are later told what they were targetting and when they are not, in order to see if it makes a difference? And does it?
Or does anyone have an impressive "psychic" anecdote that they confidently say excludes the potential for precogniton,if it exists, to be the explanation?
It's not a challenge by the way.. I'm hoping the answer to all of these is yes. I'm just struggling to personally think of any.