Reintroduced Animals

Coal said:
Beavers were 500 years ago. There simply is no predicting what the re-introduction of them will do to ecosystems. I think it's just virtue signalling by faux conservationists, who don't want to spend time or do any hard yards on the non-photogenic indigenous species at risk, like eels, or the native crayfish (@maximus otter you left out Signal Crayfish), water voles, or 'insects in general'.
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Beavers have been shown to greatly increase biodiversity in ecosystems. The ponds they create are beneficial for amphibians, fish, insects, birds, maybe even water voles. What do you think is going to happen? - these reintroduced beavers are generally on private land & are being monitored for their effect. They’re not going to flood public land with impunity.

Unlike the other creatures on max’s list which were not reintroduced but introduced where they hadn’t previously been, they’re not harmful to native wildlife apart from felling some trees. Quite the opposite. And ironically they’re on the River Otter.

I don’t think you need to worry just yet that they’re going to spread unchecked putting your town underwater.

Virtue signalling faux conservationists eh? That’s told ‘em.
 
hunck said:
Virtue signalling faux conservationists eh? That’s told ‘em.
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I don't expect anyone that far up their own arse to take a blind bit of notice of what anyone says!

I stand by my point - reintroducing speices that have been out of an eco system for that length of time will change things in a way that can't be predicted and it's folly to think 'it'll be OK'. History of such introductions shows that it goes wrong far far too often. :hoff:
 
Or we could bring Max over to cull them!

Restoring native predator mammal populations, including reintroducing the lynx to Europe and even Ireland, could help to keep in check the most problematic invasive species around the world, according to a study led by Queen’s University Belfast and Cornell University in the US.

“In a modern world that is daunted by environmental crisis and ecological collapse, it is more important than ever to realise the potential of restoring native predators to ecosystems from which they have been previously lost,” said lead author Dr Joshua Twining from QUB School of Biological Sciences and the Department of Natural Resources at Cornell.

This applies globally, “but is especially applicable in Britain and Ireland where we have persecuted all our large-bodied predators into extinction with no natural means of recovery”, he said.

The study shows how reintroducing the native lynx could help to manage one of the most damaging invasive species in Europe, the sika deer.

https://www.irishtimes.com/environm...ng-the-lynx-solve-irelands-sika-deer-problem/
 
Coal said:
I don't expect anyone that far up their own arse to take a blind bit of notice of what anyone says!

I stand by my point - reintroducing speices that have been out of an eco system for that length of time will change things in a way that can't be predicted and it's folly to think 'it'll be OK'. History of such introductions shows that it goes wrong far far too often. :hoff:
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500 years is not even a blink in the eye for an ecosystem

Yours

Virtue signaling faux conservationist
 
Coal said:
I don't expect anyone that far up their own arse to take a blind bit of notice of what anyone says!

I stand by my point - reintroducing speices that have been out of an eco system for that length of time will change things in a way that can't be predicted and it's folly to think 'it'll be OK'. History of such introductions shows that it goes wrong far far too often. :hoff:
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Eh, frankly, no.
Even the Yellowstone experiment predicted exactly what would happen when the wolves were reintroduced. It was expected that they would manage the herbivore population that would have direct impacts on vegetation which would in turn impact on the landscape.

When you reintroduce native species it is not hard at all to predict what will happen as all you have to do is look back at previous records, from core samples and deposited vegetation to past micro-fauna and the like. You can see what things looked like before from all of these markers so you can understand the balance that existed previously and extrapolate forward.

All of the unexpected effects you hear reported are usually from uninformed or sensationalist reporting, as the people who plan and manage the reintroductions usually have a set of criteria and expectations as part of the programme.
 
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Oh give me a home
Where the bison roam

European bison have been released into countryside near Canterbury, Kent, to help restore the area to its natural state.

The project, led by Kent Wildlife Trust and the Wildwood Trust, is taking place in West Blean and Thornden Woods. They will fell trees by rubbing against them, creating space and light and providing deadwood to help other plants and animals.

The area has been prepared by the UK's first ever bison rangers.

The Trust said the next step is to introduce Exmoor ponies, Iron Age pigs and Longhorn cattle, whose natural behaviours complement the bison.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-62164223
 
A pair of nasty bigots bleating and whimpering about how bad rewilding is. Neither are zoologists, ecologists or biologists. Their very unmanly hysteria comes from utter ignorance and a political bias that loves to kill animals for fun. All over Europe brown bears, wolves, lynx and other species have been re-introduced with great success, Abruzzo National Park in Italy is a prime example. Wolves and European brown bears very rarely attack humans. Lynx not at all. The wild boar, that is more aggressive than the wolf and the bear is already back in large numbers and they have killed nobody. Rewilding would be great for tourism and the environment
Both of these nasty little excuses for men need slapping with a sock full of diarrhea.
 
Well... we'll see, in the course of time.
Theoretical situation - if wolves/other reintroduced apex predators reach a level where they do become a problem, what then?
 
"if wolves/other reintroduced apex predators reach a level where they do become a problem, what then?"

We killed 'em off the first time. Just kill less. Hardest part should be stopping enthusiasts like those types wiping them out.
 
hunck said:
Beavers have been shown to greatly increase biodiversity in ecosystems. The ponds they create are beneficial for amphibians, fish, insects, birds, maybe even water voles. What do you think is going to happen? - these reintroduced beavers are generally on private land & are being monitored for their effect. They’re not going to flood public land with impunity.

Unlike the other creatures on max’s list which were not reintroduced but introduced where they hadn’t previously been, they’re not harmful to native wildlife apart from felling some trees. Quite the opposite. And ironically they’re on the River Otter.

I don’t think you need to worry just yet that they’re going to spread unchecked putting your town underwater.

Virtue signalling faux conservationists eh? That’s told ‘em.
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Does this mean beaver pelts are going to be reintroduced as a currency?
 
Bears, wolves, big cats, being in a large, mostly-empty country is fine, because encounters will be fairly rare.
In a small, highly-populated country like the UK, it's less than ideal.
For these creatures to be less likely to attack humans, they need plenty of other animals for them to eat. So we may have to reintroduce lots of prey species as well. Will the UK's ecology sustain that, now that insects seem to be dying out?
 
Mythopoeika said:
Bears, wolves, big cats, being in a large, mostly-empty country is fine, because encounters will be fairly rare.
In a small, highly-populated country like the UK, it's less than ideal.
For these creatures to be less likely to attack humans, they need plenty of other animals for them to eat. So we may have to reintroduce lots of prey species as well. Will the UK's ecology sustain that, now that insects seem to be dying out?
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Release them in Norfolk, only the fittest animals will survive predation by the indigenous people.
 
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Mythopoeika said:
Bears, wolves, big cats, being in a large, mostly-empty country is fine, because encounters will be fairly rare.
In a small, highly-populated country like the UK, it's less than ideal.
For these creatures to be less likely to attack humans, they need plenty of other animals for them to eat. So we may have to reintroduce lots of prey species as well. Will the UK's ecology sustain that, now that insects seem to be dying out?
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There are no plans currently to reintroduce wolves in the UK. Bears & big cats even less so. There are some in wildlife parks of course but fenced in.

I don’t think you need to worry just yet that prides of lions will be roaming in your neck of the woods, or of having to reintroduce other prey animals for them to hunt. File under ‘non existent issues’.
 
hunck said:
There are no plans currently to reintroduce wolves in the UK. Bears & big cats even less so. There are some in wildlife parks of course but fenced in.

I don’t think you need to worry just yet that prides of lions will be roaming in your neck of the woods, or of having to reintroduce other prey animals for them to hunt. File under ‘non existent issues’.
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Yes, but whenever a government says they 'have no plans' for anything, it generally means that those things will eventually happen!
There are plans from pressure groups and wildlife enthusiasts.
 
Mythopoeika said:
Yes, but whenever a government says they 'have no plans' for anything, it generally means that those things will eventually happen!
There are plans from pressure groups and wildlife enthusiasts.
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Maybe, but let’s be honest - bears & big cats are never going to be released in the UK. Wolves probably not either.
 
ramonmercado said:
Beavers are back in Dorset after an absence of more than 400 years.

Dorset Wildlife Trust introduced an adult male and female into an enclosed site in the west of the county on Monday. They will live in a large area of freshwater habitat not accessible to the public which can be continually monitored by wildlife experts.
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And yet, at the first opportunity, they're off!!!
I would have thought that 'continually monitored' would have meant that they were fitted with trackers, or something?

Two beavers are on the run after escaping from an enclosure on a rewilding project.
The Eurasian beavers, Woody and Twiggy, were introduced to Mapperton Estate in west Dorset last year under licence from Natural England.
The estate said recent storms had damaged fencing around their enclosure and the creatures had disappeared.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-64288507
 
More beaver news - stoke your outrage here

Beavers are set to be reintroduced into an enclosure in Hampshire, marking the first time in 400 years that they have lived in the county in southern England.

A pair of the semi-aquatic mammals will be released on to Ewhurst Park estate, which is being restored for nature and sustainable food production.
The 374-hectare (925-acre) estate near Basingstoke is owned by the environmentalist, entrepreneur and model Mandy Lieu, who has previously spoken of her commitment to “an estate-wide biodiversity transformation”.

Dr Roisin Campbell-Palmer, the head of restoration at Beaver Trust, said: “We’re really pleased to see another county providing a home for beavers as part of the species’ restoration efforts across Britain.

“We are working towards their continued return to the wild, with appropriate licensing and management frameworks, but in the meantime enclosures such as the one here at Ewhurst remain an important part of the restoration story.”
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" the construction industry in Canada will require more than 1.2 million workers by the year 2027"
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Twiggy! Woody! Jobs & comrades here!
 
Otter kills young beavers released at Loch Lomond

An otter is suspected to have killed two beaver kits released at Loch Lomond last month.

The kits, along with their parents and three siblings, were relocated from Tayside to a nature reserve as part of efforts to boost biodiversity.

The dead beavers and an otter were spotted on remote camera footage last week.

Conservationists said a post-mortem examination had confirmed an otter had preyed on one of the kits.

RSPB Scotland, which is involved in the beaver project, suspects the second kit had suffered the same fate. Its body remains missing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-64666850

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maximus “Off to prey on deer in a few minutes” otter
 
maximus otter said:
Otter kills young beavers released at Loch Lomond

An otter is suspected to have killed two beaver kits released at Loch Lomond last month.

The kits, along with their parents and three siblings, were relocated from Tayside to a nature reserve as part of efforts to boost biodiversity.

The dead beavers and an otter were spotted on remote camera footage last week.

Conservationists said a post-mortem examination had confirmed an otter had preyed on one of the kits.

RSPB Scotland, which is involved in the beaver project, suspects the second kit had suffered the same fate. Its body remains missing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-64666850

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maximus “Off to prey on deer in a few minutes” otter
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Given the sudden demise of mink when/where otters re-established, this should not be a complete surprise.
 
maximus otter said:
Otter kills young beavers released at Loch Lomond

An otter is suspected to have killed two beaver kits released at Loch Lomond last month.

The kits, along with their parents and three siblings, were relocated from Tayside to a nature reserve as part of efforts to boost biodiversity.

The dead beavers and an otter were spotted on remote camera footage last week.

Conservationists said a post-mortem examination had confirmed an otter had preyed on one of the kits.

RSPB Scotland, which is involved in the beaver project, suspects the second kit had suffered the same fate. Its body remains missing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-64666850

:evillaugh:

maximus “Off to prey on deer in a few minutes” otter
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Nature, not cuddly, bloody in tooth and claw.
 

Dozens of wildcats will be released into the countryside for the first time in 500 years​

Wildcats will be reintroduced to the English countryside for the first time since they went extinct there in the 16th century.

Between 40 and 60 European wildcats – twice the size of a domestic cat – will be released in rural Devon and Cornwall as part of a pioneering conservation project.

They are currently the country’s rarest native mammals, with only 200 living in the remotest corners of northern Scotland.

Experts say the wildcats – which will be released at secret locations in the South West – pose no threat to humans or pets.

Living in thick woodland and eating only small rodents and rabbits, the cats are skittish and flee at the sight of a person.
‘If we have the ability to save a nearly extinct species which once populated all of Britain until we hunted them to the brink why would we not reintroduce them,’ said Derek Gow, a conservationist and ‘rewilder’ who is working with the Devon Wildlife Trust on the project.

The 57-year-old was given five mating pairs of cats to breed on his farm in Lifton, Devon by Scotland’s Royal Zoological Society.

He has already run a successful capital breeding programme over the last few years.

‘This is just one small step in the right direction, returning wildcats to our forests will help rejuvenate them.’

The cats will be released in coastal scrubland and dense forests, according to the Devon Wildlife Trust.

They look much like normal tabby cats, though they are bigger and bulkier. They have longer legs, wider heads and pointy ears.

Their tail is distinctive, with three to five black rings on it before a black tip.

‘They naturally stay far away from human habitation and it will be a miracle if people even find evidence that they have been around, never mind come across them,’ said Peter Burgess, Director of Nature Recovery at the Devon Wildlife Trust.

‘We are confident that people will get behind the project and support saving a species which is nearly extinct.’
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hunck said:

Dozens of wildcats will be released into the countryside for the first time in 500 years​

Wildcats will be reintroduced to the English countryside for the first time since they went extinct there in the 16th century.

Between 40 and 60 European wildcats – twice the size of a domestic cat – will be released in rural Devon and Cornwall as part of a pioneering conservation project.

They are currently the country’s rarest native mammals, with only 200 living in the remotest corners of northern Scotland.

Experts say the wildcats – which will be released at secret locations in the South West – pose no threat to humans or pets.

Living in thick woodland and eating only small rodents and rabbits, the cats are skittish and flee at the sight of a person.

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I wonder how they're going to prevent them being diluted by hybridization?
 
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