Rendlesham Forest Incident

[Carl Grove]

I am not ignoring the evidence. All the evidence points towards a complete failure to control anyone's mind. Human neuroscience is simply not advanced enough for that. It is like trying to assemble a billion-piece jigsaw puzzle under a tarpaulin. Some, or many, victims of mind control programs have been affected and damaged by them, some badly, some very badly; but absolutely none have been successfully controlled. Damage is not control.

Or do you disagree with that? Where are the examples of people who have been controlled in a precise fashion rather than just destabilised and disturbed?

I left a link to an article I did many years ago detailing several specific cases where mind control has been employed, in my view. Obviously there is no way of proving anything, but the pattern is clear.

 

[eburacum]

This is a bit of a hijack or side discussion, really, and not relevant to Rendlesham, unless you have any suggestions about how mind 'control' (which I prefer to call mind disruption) may have been utilised in the Rendlesham case.

We have two particularly unusual accounts in the Rendlesham mythos.
The account of Halt, which is related to the famous Halt tape but contradicts it in some ways; most of the strangest phenomena described by Halt are not on the tape, and to be honest no-one else saw them either. Could that be an example of mind disruption by shadowy government officials? I doubt it- there do not seem to have been any attempts or opportunity by the US or UK military to coerce or corrupt Halt's mind.

On the other hand, Penniston's account is only tangentially related to reality; Burroughs and the other witnesses did not see anything of this kind, despite standing next to him. Could this be the result of deliberate interference with his recollection? You might be able to make a case for this - the facts are weird enough - but I think the most likely culprit is the hypnotist or hypnotists he has visited (who would presumably be civilians).

 

[Paul_Exeter]

This is a bit of a hijack or side discussion, really, and not relevant to Rendlesham, unless you have any suggestions about how mind 'control' (which I prefer to call mind disruption) may have been utilised in the Rendlesham case.

We have two particularly unusual accounts in the Rendlesham mythos.
The account of Halt, which is related to the famous Halt tape but contradicts it in some ways; most of the strangest phenomena described by Halt are not on the tape, and to be honest no-one else saw them either. Could that be an example of mind disruption by shadowy government officials? I doubt it- there do not seem to have been any attempts or opportunity by the US or UK military to coerce or corrupt Halt's mind.

On the other hand, Penniston's account is only tangentially related to reality; Burroughs and the other witnesses did not see anything of this kind, despite standing next to him. Could this be the result of deliberate interference with his recollection? You might be able to make a case for this - the facts are weird enough - but I think the most likely culprit is the hypnotist or hypnotists he has visited (who would presumably be civilians).

If only we could run an experiment in which a group of air force personnel get to witness a staged landing and departure of a 'UFO' and then follow them all over the following years to see how their recall and narratives either remain true to what they were shown or begin to differ and grow to include information that has been either knowingly or otherwise added by one or all of the experiencers.

 

[Carl Grove]

This is a bit of a hijack or side discussion, really, and not relevant to Rendlesham, unless you have any suggestions about how mind 'control' (which I prefer to call mind disruption) may have been utilised in the Rendlesham case.

We have two particularly unusual accounts in the Rendlesham mythos.
The account of Halt, which is related to the famous Halt tape but contradicts it in some ways; most of the strangest phenomena described by Halt are not on the tape, and to be honest no-one else saw them either. Could that be an example of mind disruption by shadowy government officials? I doubt it- there do not seem to have been any attempts or opportunity by the US or UK military to coerce or corrupt Halt's mind.

On the other hand, Penniston's account is only tangentially related to reality; Burroughs and the other witnesses did not see anything of this kind, despite standing next to him. Could this be the result of deliberate interference with his recollection? You might be able to make a case for this - the facts are weird enough - but I think the most likely culprit is the hypnotist or hypnotists he has visited (who would presumably be civilians).

Fair comments, but regarding Halt I doubt that he himself was subject to mind control: he reported the distorted lights that he saw and I don't think his basic story has changed much over the years. Penniston and Burroughs -- yes, but Penniston was clearly a better subject. The concept of time travelling beings is an interesting twist though. The other people who reported aliens speaking with senior officers etc. were clearly under the influence though.
One more general point regarding early cases: one individual from an eastern bloc country reported that when he was debriefed about the German experiments the officer involved was Donald Keyhoe. I am thinking that the plan to explain the crashes of German technology acquired by the US as extraterrestrial craft may have been thought up even before Roswell, with Keyhoe chosen to stage manage the debate right from the start. Vallee noted evidence that Adamski travelled around the world telling his contact story on a special passport (i.e. with govt. permission), so maybe the whole debate about friendly contactees versus hostile flying saucers was also part of the plan. (It's such a clever and devious plan that I wonder if Kammler was the one who first had the idea.) It seems that Bernard Newman, who had intelligence connections, got some wind of the idea and wrote his book putting forward a different reason for it. I am not saying that all UFOs are black projects but that some likely are.

 

[Kondoru]

Ill try and recall the details of my encounter but bear in mind it was 15 plus years ago and I was full of cider at the time.

 

[BS3]

27 December today, 42 years after Halt, attending a post-Christmas party, was informed "the UFO's back".

 

[Paul_Exeter]

Gary Heseltine has a new Rendlesham book out:

:Michael Ryan interviews British detective Gary Haseltine about his new book Non-Human. It's his 5 year reinvestigation of the Rendlesham Forest Incident (Britain's Roswell). This is part one of a deep dive into RFI. Gary Heseltine goes over the timeline like never before. It's almost told like a crime scene investigation of a cold case file. Explosive new information is talked about for the first time on any broadcast show in the world:

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2010144/12394597

More here, too:

https://www.ufotruthmagazine.co.uk/non-human-the-rendlesham-forest-ufo-incidents/

 

[Carl Grove]

Gary Heseltine has a new Rendlesham book out:

:Michael Ryan interviews British detective Gary Haseltine about his new book Non-Human. It's his 5 year reinvestigation of the Rendlesham Forest Incident (Britain's Roswell). This is part one of a deep dive into RFI. Gary Heseltine goes over the timeline like never before. It's almost told like a crime scene investigation of a cold case file. Explosive new information is talked about for the first time on any broadcast show in the world:

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2010144/12394597

More here, too:

https://www.ufotruthmagazine.co.uk/non-human-the-rendlesham-forest-ufo-incidents/

Sounds very interesting..

 

[Floyd1]

Where are the examples of people who have been controlled in a precise fashion rather than just destabilised and disturbed?

Sirhan Sirhan?

 

[Paul_Exeter]

More on Rendlesham from Gary Heseltine:

"Episode #29. Part 2 of the interview with British detective Gary Heseltine. Many topics are covered, but here are some of the highlights. Sgt. Penniston and Airman Burroughs both had missing time during the incident. Officers from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations used drugs and intimidation during the interrogation of several of the witnesses. Airman Larry Warren recently took a lie detector test and Gary Heseltine discusses the results."

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2010144/12442603

 

[Robbrent]

The zone has well and truly been flooded by assorted cranks and crackpots and misinformation (deliberately so) the narrative is so confused now that it's hard to come up with an opinion tends to happen a lot with subjects they (whoever they are) that they don't want people to look too closely at, flood the zone with different theories get a feed information to a few cranks and crackpots, in the end you have a confused mess that puts most people off

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

Colonel James Halt appeared on a special recently, stating how puzzled he still is by their experience at Rendlesham.

 

[eburacum]

That would probably be Charles I. Halt. After all this time his memories are probably quite unreliable; just like my memories of Christmas 1980.

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

Some people have excellent memories, especially when it's of something very special -
There are also recordings of Halt speaking during that sighting.
More than 25 years on, I can still recall my sighting quite well.

 

[eburacum]

As we've discussed extensively in this thread, the recordings made by Halt are the best evidence in this case.

However a lot of the things Halt now remembers are not on that tape, so are somewhat less well supported.

 

[Kondoru]

I think this pool is too muddy to be of use.