Reverse-Fermi Paradox (Aliens Here: Why Not Revealed (Them) or Disclosed (Us)?)

[Sabresonic]

Hmmm.. Seems pretty clear what is going on.
1. The devices have been here for a long time, observing. At this point, they would know about each of us individually, easily mapping things over time, predicting our actions with uncanny accuracy and avoiding detection whenever necessary.
2. In the past they didn't build monumental architecture for us or give us any technologies. We may not even know what is of particular interest about us for the phenomenon. Imagine a very advanced sentient drone, an observation and communication device; not the Star Trek ideas of folks like deGrasse Tyson who wants to have dinner with an alien. Many scientists assume aliens would arrive with great fanfare in a great ship with light sails! Not.
3. It seems the interest the phenomenon has in us is pure curiosity; we may be the only advanced biological life they have encountered or know how to get to.
4. There are waves of UFO visitations; these seem to occur during stages of technological development or upheaval, e.g. "airships" during industrialization, foo fighters etc. during wars.
5. Imagine you lived on a different plane of information universe and could see the connections between events and objects far beyond what puny humans are capable of; like the scientist looking down on the rats in the maze.

If Aliens are curious then why haven't we seen them at a Mozart, Elvis, Bob Marley or Beatles concert and even hang out at our coffee bars, Pubs, Night Clubs and enjoy watching comedy, movies and watching and playing the many types of Sports we have on the planet ?

 

[Coastaljames]

To expect us to be able to understand anything about potential "aliens" is about as likely an ant being able to understand a Shakespeare play.

 

[Nosmo King]

If Aliens are curious then why haven't we seen them at a Mozart, Elvis, Bob Marley or Beatles concert and even hang out at our coffee bars, Pubs, Night Clubs and enjoy watching comedy, movies and watching and playing the many types of Sports we have on the planet ?

Maybe they have but in disguise

 

[Sabresonic]

Curiously enough, I'm very open to the idea of multiverses and alternate realities. I also think the various timelines in our manifold reality are very well isolated from each other.

Travelling between stars is difficult, but not impossible; travelling between realities is infinitely more challenging.

Sorry always had you down as a party pooper but hats of to you for that comment

 

[Sid]

To expect us to be able to understand anything about potential "aliens" is about as likely an ant being able to understand a Shakespeare play.

Or... of an Ant ~ to understand the entirety of their world; their in it just like us, but equally, have no concept of the wider picture!

 

[Sid]

If Aliens are curious then why haven't we seen them at a Mozart, Elvis, Bob Marley or Beatles concert and even hang out at our coffee bars, Pubs, Night Clubs and enjoy watching comedy, movies and watching and playing the many types of Sports we have on the planet ?

They've probably got far more interesting things to be getting on with...

 

[feinman]

If Aliens are curious then why haven't we seen them at a Mozart, Elvis, Bob Marley or Beatles concert and even hang out at our coffee bars, Pubs, Night Clubs and enjoy watching comedy, movies and watching and playing the many types of Sports we have on the planet ?

I think they do monitor pretty much everything. It wouldn't be hard for something so advanced. All of our information --<beep> Done.
The entire Internet and IP address map <beep> Done. They have had hundreds of years to set up a monitoring system. I've said it before but they would know more about us and our interconnections than we or Google or God does. My own example: Did I see UFOs in addition to having the ridiculous synchronicities around the experience --just by chance? don't think so. I think it was devised by something that exists in a far richer information universe than we have access to. That thought experiment paper about the universe being a simulation created by a kid in the future? The aliens would have that kid beat.

 

[Sabresonic]

I think they do monitor pretty much everything. It wouldn't be hard for something so advanced. All of our information --<beep> Done.
The entire Internet and IP address map <beep> Done. They have had hundreds of years to set up a monitoring system. I've said it before but they would know more about us and our interconnections than we or Google or God does. My own example: Did I see UFOs in addition to having the ridiculous synchronicities around the experience --just by chance? don't think so. I think it was devised by something that exists in a far richer information universe than we have access to. That thought experiment paper about the universe being a simulation created by a kid in the future? The aliens would have that kid beat.

I would like to know how they chill.

 

[Nosmo King]

I would like to know how they chill.

Probing?

 

[feinman]

https://www.deviantart.com/shortdannysonicfan77/art/Alien-Smoking-Bong-Like-a-Boss-868712531
ShortDannySonicFan77

 

[uair01]

The best arguments for and against the alien visitation hypothesis​

by Tyler Cowen

https://marginalrevolution.com/marg...-against-the-alien-visitation-hypothesis.html

Those are the subject of my latest Bloomberg column, about 2x longer than usual, WaPo link here. Excerpt, from the segment on arguments against:

The case against visits by aliens:

1. Alien sightings remain relatively rare.

Let’s say alien drone probes can make it here. That would imply the existence of a very advanced civilization that can span great distances and command energy with remarkable efficiency. If that’s the case, why isn’t the sky full of aliens? Why aren’t there sightings from more than just military craft?

So the question is not so much, “Why don’t we see aliens?” as, “Why don’t we see more of them?” It is a perfectly valid (and embarrassing) question. On one hand, the aliens are impressive enough to send craft here. On the other, they seem constrained by scarcity.
Are we humans like those bears filmed in the Richard Attenborough nature programs, worthy of periodic visits from drone cameras but otherwise of little interest? The reality is that bears, and indeed most other animals, see humans quite often…

. The alien-origin hypothesis relies too much on the “argument from elimination.”

The argument from elimination is a common rhetorical tactic, but it can lead you astray. You start by listing what you think are all the possibilities and rule them out one by one: Not the Russians, not sensor error, and so on — until the only conclusion left is that they are alien visitors. As Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes once said: “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

The argument from elimination works fine when there is a fixed set of possibilities, such as the murder suspects on a train. The argument is more dangerous when the menu of options is unclear in the first place. Proponents of the alien origin view spend too much time knocking down other hypotheses and not enough time making the case for the presence of aliens.

And this:

There is an argument that is often used against the alien-origin hypothesis, but in fact can be turned either way: If they are alien visitors, why don’t we have better and more definitive forms of evidence? Why is the available video evidence so hard to interpret? Why isn’t there a proverbial “smoking gun” of proof for an alien spacecraft?

This particular counter isn’t entirely convincing. First, the best evidence may be contained in the still-classified materials. Second, the same question can be used against non-alien hypotheses. If the sensor readings were just storms or some other mundane phenomena, surely that would become increasingly obvious over time with better satellite imaging.
The continued, ongoing and indeed intensifying mystery of the sightings seems to militate in favor of a truly unusual explanation. It will favor both the alien-visitation and the religious-miracle hypotheses. If it really were a flock of errant birds, combined with some sensor errors, we would know by now.

Recommended.

 

[dr wu]

If Aliens are curious then why haven't we seen them at a Mozart, Elvis, Bob Marley or Beatles concert and even hang out at our coffee bars, Pubs, Night Clubs and enjoy watching comedy, movies and watching and playing the many types of Sports we have on the planet ?

 

[uair01]

And here is a podcast:

Congress this week held its first public hearing on unidentified flying objects in more than 50 years, as the House Intelligence Committee’s Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence and Counterproliferation hosted two Department of Defense officials to discuss military encounters with unexplained objects.

David Priess sat down with the Washington Post’s Shane Harris—who has been watching this issue for quite some time and who watched the hearings quite closely—to talk about the long U.S. government history with UFOs (now called unidentified aerial phenomena), the recent move toward more transparency, and the legitimate reasons, having nothing to do with aliens, why some things will remain classified.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-uaps-ufos-wtf