Rewilding

I think rewilding is a great idea, good for the environment and for tourism. I'd love to see wolves, brown bear, lynx and wolverine back in the UK. The beaver, wild boar and eagle owl are already back.
Surely there could be consequences?
 
Or all that time and money could be spent on saving the scottish wildcat.
 
Sorry, but I can't resist sharing this ditty which was performed at the UK River Summit earlier this summer. It is about 50% on topic; especially if you don't listen too closely and don't pay attention to the mildly NSFW video.
 
Surely there could be consequences?
Many countries in Europe have brought this big carnivores back and nobody has been attack. They have compensation schemes for farmers who lose livestock but these thing feed mainly on deer. There is a massive overpopulation of deer in the UK. The return of these creatures would be a natural control. We would need to proceed with caution and reintroduce them into places that can support them. We are talking about small populations, not thousands.
 
There are beavers just up the road from me. Would love to have bear and wolves about again (but then I don't have horses at the moment, which might have changed my view). Surely if these could be released somewhere remote enoug, they could also be a tourist attraction - I'm thinking of those jeep safaris that some places do. Imagine bear or wolf spotting!
 
There are beavers just up the road from me. Would love to have bear and wolves about again (but then I don't have horses at the moment, which might have changed my view). Surely if these could be released somewhere remote enoug, they could also be a tourist attraction - I'm thinking of those jeep safaris that some places do. Imagine bear or wolf spotting!
It would be great for the economy and tourism. The Scottish Highlands may be a good start. The Welsh Desert, a vast empty area of county in Wales and the far north of England may be do-able too.
 
Many countries in Europe have brought this big carnivores back and nobody has been attack. They have compensation schemes for farmers who lose livestock but these thing feed mainly on deer. There is a massive overpopulation of deer in the UK. The return of these creatures would be a natural control. We would need to proceed with caution and reintroduce them into places that can support them. We are talking about small populations, not thousands.
Don't worry, we have that under control already;

https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...hings-you-wont-buy.68288/page-22#post-2367967
 
Maybe better to cull some of them ~ responsibly, and supply the meat to Supermarkets at a fair price?
I agree, it should be more widely available. Wild Scottish venison that has been responsibly culled in the Scottish Highlands is available in Sainsbury's and to an extent in Tesco for the same price as the better cuts of beef. It does seem to sell but nothing like beef and lamb in terms of volume. I imagine many shoppers are afraid to buy it because it requires a certain amount of knowledge to cook properly (especially stewing venison) and also because they well happily eat chickens and cows but not those 'cute' deer.

@lordmongrove couldn't agree more. I am a member of Cornwall Wildlife Trust and they are rewilding Helman Tor:

https://www.cornwallwildlifetrust.o...ion-work/on-land/rewilding-helman-tor-project

They use rare breed pigs that dig up the soil whilst foraging and thus allow seeds to germinate and native breed cattle and sheep to graze the grasses When you start on something like this other great things happen:

"Wild beavers have been discovered at Cornwall Wildlife Trust’s Helman Tor nature reserve, following an observation reported to the charity by a member of the public"

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Kent Wildlife Trust have been re introducing Bison

https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/projects/wilder-blean

"Bison benefactor to businesses" - possibly not china shops!

And the Chough

https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/choughreintroduction (saw these in SW Ireland great to have them back in the SE of England)

The term is also used by gardeners and is fast becoming an excuse for neglect - a large garden with areas for native plants and wildlife OK but a lot of gardens open to the public just have a tiny area of scrubby weeds which wouldn't feed an anorexic caterpillar and a notice about "rewilding"; often the weeds aren't native plants anyway. I've a feeling that the term is going to become trendy and a little meaningless without context.
 
The term is also used by gardeners and is fast becoming an excuse for neglect - a large garden with areas for native plants and wildlife OK but a lot of gardens open to the public just have a tiny area of scrubby weeds which wouldn't feed an anorexic caterpillar and a notice about "rewilding"; often the weeds aren't native plants anyway. I've a feeling that the term is going to become trendy and a little meaningless without context.
Exactly what happened here when MrsF wouldn't let me pull anything up a while ago.
It just looked a mess and not 'natural' at all.
 
The Welsh Desert, a vast empty area of county in Wales

When I lived near it we called it the Wilderness never heard the term 'desert' being used for it before. I suppose it's the same difference! Not sure if I'd have gone walking there if I knew I might come across a wolf! :)
 
The Welsh Desert, a vast empty area of county in Wales

When I lived near it we called it the Wilderness never heard the term 'desert' being used for it before. I suppose it's the same difference! Not sure if I'd have gone walking there if I knew I might come across a wolf! :)
It's somtimescalled the desert in English, or Ellenydd in Welsh. As I understand it it's essentially the area otherwise known as the Cambrian Mountains.
 
Our local churchyard is following the scheme, by which the paths are mown but the rest of the grass is allowed to grow with the concommitant wildflowers flowering and seeding, then the whole things is cut (with scythes, no less) in July. It should ensure a lovely crop of wildflower again next year and it all looks rather lovely and natural when everything is in flower, not scruffy at all. Although the local PCC has had to put a note to this effect on the gate, because they were getting complaints about the 'long grass'.
 
The numerous told mine working here in West Cornwall have become an accidental form of rewiilding. Due to the engine houses and deep shafts etc the land around such mine workings hasn't been farmed but is fenced off for safety reasons above all else. Then you have the former tramway trackbeds that were built to transport the minerals and now converted into footpaths and bridleways that provide for accessible green corridors that stretch for miles and have been largely left to nature. Natural ponds have formed and these tramway trails are buzzing with insects and are host to many species of birds and amphibians, etc.
 
The numerous told mine working here in West Cornwall have become an accidental form of rewiilding. Due to the engine houses and deep shafts etc the land around such mine workings hasn't been farmed but is fenced off for safety reasons above all else. Then you have the former tramway trackbeds that were built to transport the minerals and now converted into footpaths and bridleways that provide for accessible green corridors that stretch for miles and have been largely left to nature. Natural ponds have formed and these tramway trails are buzzing with insects and are host to many species of birds and amphibians, etc.
Same thing with an unbuilt artificial island in Biscayne bay.
Because the concrete pilings keep the boats and jet skies out, it has become a haven for wildlife;

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Beaver rewilding worked really well,not.
Approx 200 of them had to be shot in Scotland.
 
Beaver rewilding worked really well,not.
Approx 200 of them had to be shot in Scotland.

Half of England is flooded and people are drooling about reintroducing animals that build dams.

:headbang:

Pet owners who bang on about the return of wolves might want to sit down and think about that. (DON’T watch if you’re sentimental about pet dogs):


maximus otter
 
Half of England is flooded and people are drooling about reintroducing animals that build dams.

:headbang:

Pet owners who bang on about the return of wolves might want to sit down and think about that. (DON’T watch if you’re sentimental about pet dogs):


maximus otter
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How beavers improve wetlands and reduce flooding


No one is talking about reintroducing predatory species into populated areas.

They would be introduced into their natural habitats, like the Scottish highlands, where they can help restore the ecosystem balance, that has been devastated by deer overpopulation.

Just look at the Yellowstone wolf reintroduction programme to see how much it benefits the environment.
 
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How beavers improve wetlands and reduce flooding


No one is talking about reintroducing predatory species into populated areas.

They would be introduced into their natural habitats, like the Scottish highlands, where they can help restore the ecosystem balance, that has been devastated by deer overpopulation.

Just look at the Yellowstone wolf reintroduction programme to see how much it benefits the environment.
What do livestock farmers think about this?
 
What do livestock farmers think about this?
That is the point about habitat.
Farmers have been encroaching on wild habitats for decades with no consequences.

Sheep, for example, have devastated the highlands in many areas, where trees should grow, there is only a monoculture wasteland.
Apex predators are only reintroduced in areas away from population centers where they can live their lives and do their natural job of controlling the likes of large herbivores.

In genuine cases, there are compensation programmes that ensure farmers are reimbursed for genuine losses.

However, there are also terrible records of rural people misunderstanding what it means to have a functioning ecosystem, to tragic effect. Check out the case of Skydancer.
 
Half of England is flooded and people are drooling about reintroducing animals that build dams.

:headbang:

Pet owners who bang on about the return of wolves might want to sit down and think about that. (DON’T watch if you’re sentimental about pet dogs):


maximus otter
To be honest, anyone who lets their dog roam about loose late at night is asking for it to be hit by a car, stolen, accused of 'attacking' someone, killing local cats, etc etc. Dogs shouldn't be out without a person, which will keep the wolves away. That's what I tell my dog, anyway.
 
Our local churchyard is following the scheme, by which the paths are mown but the rest of the grass is allowed to grow with the concommitant wildflowers flowering and seeding, then the whole things is cut (with scythes, no less) in July. It should ensure a lovely crop of wildflower again next year and it all looks rather lovely and natural when everything is in flower, not scruffy at all. Although the local PCC has had to put a note to this effect on the gate, because they were getting complaints about the 'long grass'.

I leave half my modest lawn wild every year - with a bit of a trim early and late. It takes a while for wildflowers and grasses to re-establish themselves, so - to an outsider - in may well have looked 'scruffy' for the first couple of years, and probably still does when things are dying off.

And I reckon that even a scruffy patch of grass is better for wildlife than a lawn that's been manicured to within an inch of still being a natural thing.
 
I leave half my modest lawn wild every year - with a bit of a trim early and late. It takes a while for wildflowers and grasses to re-establish themselves, so - to an outsider - in may well have looked 'scruffy' for the first couple of years, and probably still does when things are dying off.

And I reckon that even a scruffy patch of grass is better for wildlife than a lawn that's been manicured to within an inch of still being a natural thing.
I do the same! Half of the lawn (it's all of one side of the garden actually but the garden isn't big) is seeded with wildflowers and I've planted stuff like meadowsweet and valerian in the border. I leave that half entirely alone until the end of June when everything has flowered and seeded, and then I only mow it a couple of times before winter. It's still establishing so it looks really overgrown and scruffy but I think it's better for the wildlife. The rest of the grass gets mown more often, but only about once every six weeks or so.
 
Apex predators are only reintroduced in areas away from population centers where they can live their lives and do their natural job of controlling the likes of large herbivores
And of course they know the rules,have read the memo and would stay in their designated areas and would stick to eating/attacking large herbivores right?
The UK is tiny,there's a reason apex preds were killed out.Theres nothing to gain by rewilding.
 
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Beaver rewilding worked really well,not.
Approx 200 of them had to be shot in Scotland.

My understanding is that licenses are issued in specific individual circumstances related to unmanageable consequences on Prime Agricultural Land (a legal definition, not a general description - See here).

Such culling is a reflection of a problem in individual localised conditions, not of a universal one - it's not a sign of failure, and highly targeted culling is, I suspect, always likely to be a factor in all such projects.
 
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