Justified & Ancient
- Jul 30, 2003
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Because isn't that the very point. In living lives imagined by anti-religionists to be "forbidden" by their faith, they don't disavow it, or denounce it, or count themselves as something other. Similarly the "rules" of catholicism include no sex before marriage, but catholics are rarely observant of the fact. Nor are there "rules" of islam per se..that is no single authority, just groups or individuals who put their own spin on these things and are followed or not followed.Not to get too scotsman about it but why judge islam on people you yourself say don't follow the rules of islam?
Don't worry, Gattino, it won't be long before you get preached at by imams...An unwanted poem by "gattino":
One more online sermon from the Church of Disbelief
And I might just turn to Jesus, as he gives my ears less grief.
No Muslim tries to turn me, and though "Jehovahs" may
They're always nice when I say "no" and simply go away.
I know few Jews, and a Buddhist's views I'd really have to seek.
No, I'm preached to most by the godless host
- Five hundred times a week.
That is true, yes. And that creates a big problem, because it is like herding cats.My point was fairly clear, I think. Saying person x can't be used as an example of a typical muslim since he breaks the rules of what being a muslim is, is a flawed statement...there is no muslim equivalent to the Hierarchy of the catholic church deciding what is orthodox, unorthodox or forbidden for all muslims. It's a question of who you're asking.
NO I deffo read it in a Dawkins book. And no he doesn't comment on cosmology or quantum physics, because he admits he's 'foggy' on the subject. Yet he attempts to tell us what is real and not.
Personally, I think we idolise Darwin too much. It makes it easy for creationists to view evolution as the invention of a single figure who beguiled scientists with his view of a godless Universe, when, in fact, evolutionary thought was well along by the time of On The Origin of Species. Some portray scientists as fitting evidence into Darwin's theory, when in fact many had come to the conclusion of the transmutation of species from examining the evidence in spite of the lack of a complete, accepted theory of the mechanisms of evolution.“Charles Darwin had a big idea; arguably, the most powerful idea ever.” Richard Dawkins
I'm not sure about that, and I speak as someone trained in physics.And I've always thought that quote is more about showing Dawkins's bias. He's a biologist, so of course he thinks the most important idea is from biology. Ask a physicist, and they might say Relativity is more important.
So did Patrick Matthew, as early as 1831, although he didn't publish it as a full theory, but merely intuitively assumed it and chucked it in his footnotes to On Naval Timber and Arboriculture. The debate over whether Darwin stole natural selection either from Wallace or Matthew is ongoing. But I did find On the Origin of Species pretty compelling.Wallace had the same idea, and gets nearly no recognition.
Darwin hardly stole Natural Selection from Wallace sinceSo did Patrick Matthew, as early as 1831, although he didn't publish it as a full theory, but merely intuitively assumed it and chucked it in his footnotes to On Naval Timber and Arboriculture. The debate over whether Darwin stole natural selection either from Wallace or Matthew is ongoing. But I did find Ohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Darwin#Poem_on_evolutionn the Origin of Species pretty compelling.
True, and as I mentioned in a post yesterday, evolution was hotly debated long before Charles Darwin. Evolution, as in the transmutation of species, preceded the theory of natural selection by some time.And Darwin's grandfather Erasmus also speculated about evolution:
The debate in some circles over Darwin's relationship with Wallace - whether Darwin essentially pieced the theory together from correspondence with Wallace and published while Wallace was away doing fieldwork in Borneo (I think it was) - isn't particularly convincing.Darwin hardly stole Natural Selection from Wallace since
"he established that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors, and in a joint publication with Alfred Russel Wallace introduced his scientific theory that this branching pattern of evolution resulted from a process that he called natural selection..."
It's well known that Darwin delayed publishing his "Origin" for many years because he feared the reaction of what we today might call the God Squad.