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Exactly. He would not. It was just a part of his lexicon.

To a close approximation, nobody in the UK or extended non-North American English-speaking world was aware of that negative connotation. In fact, I doubt that even Canadians would recognise it as a loaded term.
Agreed. My understanding of the term is consistent with the definition provided by oxo66, namely 'above oneself, self-important,' etc. I was unaware that it carried racial overtones in the US.
 

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Thank you for that additional confirmation.

Whilst I've only so far personally-experienced east coast Arctic Canada, I did suspect that Canadians in general didn't perceive any additional slant on The 'U' Word.... (I'm an honorary Newfie, but I never kept up the membership payments)
 

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Thank you for that additional confirmation.

Whilst I've only so far personally-experienced east coast Arctic Canada, I did suspect that Canadians in general didn't perceive any additional slant on The 'U' Word.... (I'm an honorary Newfie, but I never kept up the membership payments)
You're welcome, Ermintruder.

I'm sure Newfoundlanders would be pleased to see you again even if you haven't paid your membership dues. ;) I recommend bringing a shovel if you travel to St John's in the near future.
 

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I recommend bringing a shovel if you travel to St John's in the near future
So I hear....and maybe a snowplough for my pickup as well. Whilst in south central Scotland, there is a spring-like thaw, and all snow has disappeared from the mountain tops (normally we'd see that until April...)

The drawing of the family theselves looks funny enough!
This looks rather good- thanks!

I'm not a fan of the Royals so don't normally bother with this thread
I think that almost in the same way as moral vegetarians can enjoy steak, most sane people aren't huge fans of royalty but accept its existence.

We can all appreciate the impractical reality of its unlikely-yet-unavoidable position in society & government. I've met the Queen a few times (not recently, the last time was nearly 30 years ago) but as I've said before, she was tiny, extremely aware of her surroundings and fearless <conspiracy_mode_on>Well, the version of her I met that time was all these things</conspiracy_mode_off>

I find it intriguing that in a recent conversation with a twentysomething person, they had no idea whatsoever that
  • The Duke of Edinburgh was Greek
  • The Queen's mother (ie The Queen Mother, deceased) was genuinely Scottish
  • That Prince Albert (ie Mr Queen Victoria) was German
  • (wait for it....) that Mrs Meghan Windsor was an American citizen. I asked them where they >>thought<< she was from, and they said they'd just assumed somewhere in England/London.

In fact....does MW's citizenship (presumably NOT dual US:UK, through marriage, since hasn't that stopped happening, in general?) revert to being US-only, if she becomes an unroyal non-princess?
 
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Agreed. My understanding of the term is consistent with the definition provided by oxo66, namely 'above oneself, self-important,' etc. I was unaware that it carried racial overtones in the US.
Well, given the weight of replies on this particular word's freight outwith the USA, I stand corrected. I am surprised, as my spheres of interest tend to lie to the East of the island of Great Britain, rather than to the West (even if - as I have on good authority - it doesn't really matter where one begins to measure one's circles), so I am not sure quite why I should have picked up on the USA-ian connotations more than some of my compatriots and/or fellow Anglophones have. I'm still not going to use the word, though.
 

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I'm still not going to use the word, though.
I, too, shall need to place it under the wine crate, beside the naughty step (not that it ever came out to play very often for, or with, me)

But I would love to know (dare his name be spoken) JBP's 'take' on that word. And also his interpretation on the current Mrs Windsor saga. Because, love or/and loath him, he has an intellect that is exceedingly-sharp, a fascinating track record in the evangelical disavowment of ideologically-prescriptive linguistics, and is a Canadian.

Yes: he too is a subjugated serf, but of that Other America, with his knee bent in fealty to a 93yr old grandmother who is having some inter-generational issues with their grandchildren.

And not a self-beknighted citizen of a certain more-southerly republic, that happy land of those free masses, led by a mere uncommon man whom (we may surmise) knows his own mind: at least as far as it is spoken.
 

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uppity colloq. (orig. and chiefly US) Above oneself, self-important, 'jumped-up'; arrogant, haughty, pert, putting on airs
First citation is Uncle Remus for 1880, then Times Lit Sup from 1933. Others include Neville Shute, Chequer Board 1947 and Bruce Chatwin, On Black Hill 1982.
That's interesting in itself, given the conversation we've been having.
 

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Ermintruder,

(looks over shoulder to check no one else is listening) BJP wouldn't be a certain Canadian behavioral psychologist would he ?

Possibly the same one I started an (ill fated) thread about some time ago ?

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Ermintruder,

(looks over shoulder to check no one else is listening) BJP wouldn't be a certain Canadian behavioral psychologist would he ?

Possibly the same one I started an (ill fated) thread about some time ago ?

INT21.
Unless he's into Indian politics, I would assume so.
 

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Yithian,

Goodness gracious me.

Having realised the error, have corrected it.

;)
 

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BJP wouldn't be a certain Canadian behavioral psychologist would he ?
But of course.

an (ill fated) thread
I would've said merely robust conversation and spirited exchange of opinion rather than 'ill-fated'. Peterson is an inescapable intellect, even if you disagree with everything he says (which I don't)

Unless he's into Indian politics
Interesting: this reference is either so oblique, so inferential or so decontextualised-by-correction, that it is meaningless to me

As I've posted previously on the forum, indiginous/aboriginal Canadians (certainly in the North East) face and present a whole range of complicated problems. I would respectfully recommend Mr & Mrs Windsor not to get involved in such a cause complexe.
 

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But of course.


I would've said merely robust conversation and spirited exchange of opinion rather than 'ill-fated'. Peterson is an inescapable intellect, even if you disagree with everything he says (which I don't)

Interesting: this reference is either so oblique, so inferential or so decontextualised-by-correction, that it is meaningless to me

As I've posted previously on the forum, indiginous/aboriginal Canadians (certainly in the North East) face and present a whole range of complicated problems. I would respectfully recommend Mr & Mrs Windsor not to get involved in such a cause complexe.
B.J.P. is the dominant political party in India.
 

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B.J.P. is the dominant political party in India
I would've recognised it as being the *only* political party I'd ever heard of (in India).....<goes to check>
Good.Grief. I'm correct in my limited understanding.....but.....are you sitting down?

Wikipedia said:
As per latest publication from Election Commission of India, the total number of parties registered was 1841, with 8 national parties, 52 state parties and 1785 unrecognised parties
This astounding fact is, to me, as good a ringing endorsement of retaining obsolete heirarchical constitutional monarchies as ever I've heard.
 

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This commentry is only a few days old, made by the UK's official state broadcaster.

Despite looking as if it might be all about the surely-unproductive non-existent pseudoscience of dairymancy
'Does a milk advert show Harry & Meghan's future?' we see the suggestion that The De-royalled Windsors may maintain financial independance in North America through the advertising of mundane staples such as....milk (well, they would be milking their positions, n'est pas?).

Come on people of Fort!? This cannot (to paraphrase a certain shy & quietly-spoken tennis player) be serious!

Does their 'work' (that of Mr & Mrs Henry Windsor) really now consist of striding purposefully in poor pixel resolution towards a propitiously-positioned paparazzo looking like a couple of war correspondants on their lunchbreak? Thence to complain about 'press intrusion', without which they (the runaway unroyals) would have no "brand awareness".

This is just sheer high-camp farce: the only question is to what the real strategic intent is, rather than just the standard distraction for the proles that's generally there in the baseline.

Talking of ends, let's not forget that Meghan's already sold hers. By which I mean she's already been paid by Reitmans to strut her stuff in their jeans.....see below:

We can pretend that what the public want are down-to-earth semi-royals who wear the same high-wasted denim as they'd like to be able to afford. But I theorise that this level of mercenary living with the common people eliminates the very cachet upon which they (allegedly) desire to maintain their elite seperacy.

Why does She want to become 'a Royal'...then become a Royal that is just a Meghan....then claim that her (their) broad brand version of that species is authentic, definitive and....savvy.

This is just cartoon created empty nonsense. Tell me on any level that I'm wrong.


You mean ....bring back The Raj.... ?
Well: obviously not, but it had masses of good points (irrespective of how non-PC it may be for me to say that).

My maternal grandfather was Indian Army in the 1920s/30s (hence why I have always had a familial smattering of Hindi/Urdu) and I am only too aware that the British Empire in India had many (many) terrible aspects. But what it found, what it did, and what it left behind are highly-complex matters.

But back to Meghan: come on- let's vote on this. She's already commercialised herself before/during and after royaldom, so, she cannot complain about being judged.

What do you think of her face? Whilst I've already mentioned on the forum that she & Kate are mysteriously-similar, in my personal (but inescapably-enfranchised) opinion, Meghan is NOT that pretty.

Perhaps you disagree.

But for me she has very little going for her, facially. Please avoid flocking to her defence unless you've got substantive reasons as to why you do think she is a looker. Because she is not: and that's one of the more-intriguing aspects about this whole silly saga.
 

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At what point does patently-pantomime falsity become (in itself) intriguing, when many of those viewing it accept it as being real? For me, it's early in the first act, not long after the curtains are pulled open.

This isn't even pretending to look real. It's a tv reality show, as scripted as The Osbournes. Why are they playing it so obviously staged?

Some people may take mortal offence at this....but seriously: if something (like 'real' royalty) is being projected, for the benefit of mass entertainment, it has to be at least plausibly-realistic. The question here (as is so often the case nowadays)is not whether the depicted 'reality' is being play-acted....the question is just, why is it being so obviously play-acted?

I want my constitutional royalty and my politician to be convincingly-acted. None of this nearly-fourth-wall-breaking it's-all-just-pretend-folks-and-we-both-know-it stuff.
 

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... But back to Meghan: come on- let's vote on this. She's already commercialised herself before/during and after royaldom, so, she cannot complain about being judged. ...
That does it ...

Save for commenting on linguistic nuances others brought up I've deliberately stayed away from this discussion.

One reason is that no one seems to accord any credence to Harry's explicitly-stated apprehensions about the royal way of life and its attendant down sides. If you look back on the recent posts the prince is largely ignored in favor of bashing his wife.

More to the point here ... Another reason is what I see as a markedly lowbrow, parochial and gossipy tone which is becoming more disturbingly blatant with each passing day.

Wherever the line may be judged to reasonably lie with respect to this latter issue, in my book you've now crossed it.
 

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Wherever the line may be judged to reasonably lie with respect to this latter issue, in my book you've now crossed it.
Please then delete my post above and record a strike against me. I will refrain in the future from any further contributions to this thread.
 

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Please then delete my post above and record a strike against me. I will refrain in the future from any further contributions to this thread.
Just so we're clear about this ...

I wasn't commenting as a mod; I was commenting as a fellow member.
 

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I'll comment as a Mod.

We should be better than announcing about an individual:

But for me she has very little going for her, facially. Please avoid flocking to her defence unless you've got substantive reasons as to why you do think she is a looker.
I'm not going to do more than express sadness and apply a general steer.

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I've just watched that jeans advert.

Nice bum and wicked heels is what I saw. She seems quite happy for us all to be looking at her, but maybe she has a bit of editorial control over such things where she doesn't with the papparazzi paparrazi papaprazzi gutter press.

Enola's got a point, Harry's talked about sometimes wishing he wasn't a Prince more than once in the past. Also, don't a lot of couples decide to strike out on their own, away from families, once they have a child?
 

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Sorry, I've not kept up on this.

Did the Duchess of Sussex do that (horribly clichéd) television advertisement before or after her marriage?
 

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Forget any adverts. That's all irrelevant.

It will fall apart because the Royal life is the only life Harry has known. His military service was simply an interlude. After it he returned to his former existence as did everyone else who has served in the forces.

It is a case of Harry not quite fitting in to the new life, and he will come to regret his decision..

He will have to have body guards where ever he is. So he may as well have stayed where he was.

I have no opinion on Mrs W. And do hope they do well.

It does appear though, that she got her Prince. But the novelty has worn off as the life is proving too restrictive for her.

What is Maria advised in West Side Story ?

'Stick to your own kind'.

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When one is in a position of extreme privilege, Public scrutiny has to be expected.
 

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When one is in a position of extreme privilege, Public scrutiny has to be expected.
We're all under public scrutiny now, thanks to the internet, much of it invited by ourselves. If we don't want it, others get suspicious we have "something to hide". Now magnify that a thousand for Harry and Meghan.
 

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We're all under public scrutiny now, thanks to the internet, much of it invited by ourselves. If we don't want it, others get suspicious we have "something to hide". Now magnify that a thousand for Harry and Meghan.
This is why their future safety is a concern to me .. they're prime kidnapping targets unless they have A1 bodyguards .. ex SAS .. those sort of people .. if that's covered, I'm 100% behind their attempt at the closest they can get to true (as possible)independence.
 

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Harry supposedly inherited a substantial sum from his mother -- approximately fifteen million pounds -- and also from his great-grandmother. This money alone should enable him to live independently, quite apart from the allowance from Prince Charles. If he and Meghan chose to live quietly on a secluded estate protected by ex-SAS members the funds from his inheritance would provide for that lifestyle. I doubt that's what they want, however. It seems they would prefer to be celebrities who control their own press coverage.
 
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