Russell Brand: From Stand-Up Comic To Icke-Esque Conspiracist & Possible Abuser?

Zeke Newbold said:
I also find it `creepy` (to use a word that many are using in a different context) that the British government are writing to Rumble to implore them not to let Brand use Rumble as his platform.
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No. Not the "British government", or even the UK government.

It was the Chair of the House of Commons Media Committee who wrote. That is not the Government. This is a very important distinction.

Here's the relevant part of the letter, as published on the BB website:
"While we recognise that Rumble is not the creator of the content published by Mr Brand, we are concerned (1) that he may be able to profit from his content on the platform.
"We would be grateful if you could confirm whether (2) Mr Brand is able to monetise his content, including his videos relating to the serious accusations against him. If so, we would like to know whether Rumble intends to join YouTube in suspending Mr Brand's ability to earn money on the platform.
"We would also like to know what Rumble is doing (3) to ensure that creators are not able to use the platform to undermine the welfare of victims of inappropriate and potentially illegal behaviour."

(1) Expression of concern. Not imploring, begging, asking or demanding.
(2) Request for clarification, not imploring, begging, asking, or demanding for something to happen.

"I see Dave bought a new shirt. Are you thinking of getting one the same?" This is not imploring you to buy a shirt like Dave's.

(3) An absolutely valid question for the Media Committee to ask a media company.

That said, it does seem to be a bit of band wagon jumping or arse covering. "We'd better be seen to be doing something about this story that is all over the headlines." Mr Brand has not been convicted of anything and I feel the Committee has been a bit premature.

However, regardless of the rights and wrongs, this is not Government intervention.

A Commons Committee is not the Government. There are 4 Labour MPs and 1 Scottish Nationalist MP on the committee in question, as well as 6 Conservatives. It is a cross party committee, not an arm of government.

There are 19 Departmental Select Committees, 7 of which have chairs from opposition parties. These committees are not part of the Government. An important part of their role is to oversee government departments to make sure they are doing their jobs. Thus, these committees may often be in disagreement or conflict with the government of the day.
 
Mikefule said:
No. Not the "British government", or even the UK government.
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But surely the committees are part of government? The whole of the Parliamentary process, including both the party in opposition and the party in power, are just a small part of 'The Government'. The party in power are just the current SEO's, as it were.

edit: oops, sorry, was writing mine at the same time - shall I delete?
 
Cochise said:
But surely the committees are part of government? The whole of the Parliamentary process, including both the party in opposition and the party in power, are just a small part of 'The Government'. The party in power are just the current SEO's, as it were.
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No, he's right, they aren't.

Let's now move on, please.
 
Sabresonic said:
and then just vanished just like Leon.
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Edit: I was writing this as Yithian was writing his posts above. No objection to it being deleted if you feel it is inapprorpiate.

A bit harsh to say Leon Brittan "just vanished." He died aged 75 of cancer.

One of his accusers later openly admitted they had originally named Leon Brittan as a joke. They also told the police they had been encouraged by campaigners to make false allegations. The investigation was closed with no one being charged. The police compensated Brittan's widow. One of the key "witnesses" was subsequently convicted in court of perverting the course of justice.

Despite all this, thrown mud sticks, and lots of people vaguely recall or confidently assert that he was "one of the paedos". This is why I am withholding judgement on Brand until due process has been followed.

I was once arrested on false allegations I was released within hours, went into work and found that the manager had broken my confidence, told colleagues, and the story had grown very substantially to include elements that were very far removed from the original false allegation. I also had my own description and the description of my car read out in assemblies at local schools (I know, because one of my friends was the Deputy Head of one of them.) It made my life very difficult and it took a very long time for the story to die down at work, despite the fact I was "refused charge" within a week. That was 1992, and it is still a traumatic memory over 30 years later.
 
I can't help think that there'd be less media attention if Brand hadn't identified himself first (giving the expose extra publicity), and started the rumour mill going.
Had the programme been aired and then a representative of Mr Brand spoke on his behalf, refuting the allegations and demanding a police investigation to exhonerate him, it'd have turned out differently.
It looks like he's not defending himself against the allegations but against his victimisation, which might suit some but not all.
 
Yithian said:
Was this not debunked as the witterings of Carl Beech, a mendacious fantasist?
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Or maybe not as I'm sure Private Eye had a front page of Leon talking to the a copper and caption was 'You a bit too old for me' but find it strange how he suddenly died and was no news before of his illness when the enquiry was brought up again.
 
Claims of Brand's belonging to a celebrity 'cult' called RA MA yoga, along with Alicia Keys and others.
The leader, 'Guru Jagat', aka Katie Griggs, died in 2021

Griggs operated the podcast Reality Riffing with Guru Jagat.[5] During the COVID-19 pandemic, she used her podcast to share conspiracy theories about COVID-19 being spread by chemtrails and that artificial intelligence was taking over.[5] On the podcast she interviewed conspiracy theorist Arthur Firstenberg[5] and conspiracy theorist and antisemite David Icke.[5][7] Griggs did not follow California's public health rules during the pandemic and refused COVID-19 vaccines.[5]

Griggs used social media to share supportive statements about her mentor,[3] the late Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, also known as Yogi Bhajan, who was accused of rape, child abuse, and financial impropriety.[1] Griggs also shared QAnon conspiracy theories, including the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.[1] In 2021, two former employees of Griggs accused her of running Ra Ma Institute as a cult, and calling a Black Lives Matter supporter a "cockroach".[8]
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This might partly explain Brand's shift in focus to Ickeiness which was the original subject of this thread.
 
Sabresonic said:
Or maybe not as I'm sure Private Eye had a front page of Leon talking to the a copper and caption was 'You a bit too old for me' but find it strange how he suddenly died and was no news before of his illness when the enquiry was brought up again.
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Most of the time Private Eye covers are commentary of current common rumour. They might be based on fact ... if it had been found in court. Being on the cover doesn't guarantee fact.
 
In one of the many celebrity interviews (this with the Osbournes), we're reminded of another example of Brand's ... forthright, and amusing pronouncements ...

The Osbournes star was referring to Brand making a crude remark about the “Do Ya Think I’m Sexy” singer’s daughter Kimberly at the GQ Man of the Year awards in 2006.
“Here’s to Rod Stewart who had a go at me earlier this year for too much womanising,” he said. “But then again I did have a go on his daughter.”
“You went with my daughter, did you?” Stewart addressed Brand later that evening, before telling him to “stand up”.
A subdued Brand replied he took Kimberly out for one evening, before Stewart asked: “Did you behave yourself?”
Walking his earlier comments back, Brand then replied: “I never touched that girl”
“F***ing right, you didn’t,” Stewart said, adding: “You mustn’t come up here and boast. I speak here as a father.”
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Worth repeating - at GQ Man of the Year awards. What a great example of mankind, eh?
 
Shoegazer said:
Apologies for my ignorance, what are these recent examples?
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I didn't go in to that here because it belongs in a different thread or threads, not least the Covid ones.
 
As far as I can tell Russell Brand has an extremely addictive personality.

He is obsessed with himself, seems addicted to being addicted and will do anything to get his "hit"

While watching the 'Dispatches' documentary I was dismayed/horrified at what he was allowed to get away with on his programmes, his producers enabled him, all for better ratings. Did the men around him not have daughters/sisters/wives? And one of his producers was female (a good example of cognitive dissonance?)
 
Stormkhan said:
In one of the many celebrity interviews (this with the Osbournes), we're reminded of another example of Brand's ... forthright, and amusing pronouncements ...

The Osbournes star was referring to Brand making a crude remark about the “Do Ya Think I’m Sexy” singer’s daughter Kimberly at the GQ Man of the Year awards in 2006.
“Here’s to Rod Stewart who had a go at me earlier this year for too much womanising,” he said. “But then again I did have a go on his daughter.”
“You went with my daughter, did you?” Stewart addressed Brand later that evening, before telling him to “stand up”.
A subdued Brand replied he took Kimberly out for one evening, before Stewart asked: “Did you behave yourself?”
Walking his earlier comments back, Brand then replied: “I never touched that girl”
“F***ing right, you didn’t,” Stewart said, adding: “You mustn’t come up here and boast. I speak here as a father.”

Worth repeating - at GQ Man of the Year awards. What a great example of mankind, eh?
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Rod Stewart. Gotta love him.
 
You see he's already slipping down the news agenda, I hope there are investigations into his conduct because I believe that it's only fair that accusations are investigated, and proven or not proven as the case may be

But he is effectively finished now as a celeb, his career was on a downward trajectory anyway this is just the Coup de Grace, there really is no coming back from this
 
But he is effectively finished now as a celeb, his career was on a downward trajectory anyway this is just the Coup de Grace, there really is no coming back from this
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So f**king what?
Another celeb building himself up to be a god.
Sure, there's questions to be asked about the influence of the meeja, but ...
 
Stormkhan said:
So f**king what?
Another celeb building himself up to be a god.
Sure, there's questions to be asked about the influence of the meeja, but ...
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Maybe true ( Brave Phil )but 2 down how many to go...like to see Leigh Francis take a proper hit.
 
Out of curiosity I watched two Russell Brand videos as I know nothing about him. One was a 45 minute talk by himself, the other was a 30 minute talk on an American chat show.

Although I didn't care much for the presentation style on both videos what he said was true and there was no conspiracy type stuff or even what could be considered borderline. It was easily verifiable facts that those in power don't want us to know.

With the chat show it was about who paid for the research and development of the C19 vaccine and who kept the profits and how much. As far as I know, it has never been mentioned before by the MSM. He done it in a way that was up front and in your face. What also shocked me was who were one the main investors which I checked up on and is in fact true. Also that the C19 vaccine was patented before the pandemic. Again also true and easily checked up on.

Prior to the allegation being made, his popularity wasn't on the decline, it was on the increase. It's an easily checkable fact.

I can see why, if the allegations are not true, the MSM want or were told to silence him. Will I watch anymore of his videos, probably not. I can't stand screeching.
 
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Even more amazingly, I've found another eighty post made at the time of the Ross/Brand/Sachs debacle.

They are now at the start of this thread.
 
Tigerhawk said:
Is he at all capable of talking without constantly waving his hands in front of his face?
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Funnily enough, I was just reading about this the other day.

It's a quite common natural trait - generally an unconscious one, which is thought to help with co-ordination of speech, and possibly even with the language/memory relationship; but it's often exploited by professional speechifiers (lecturers, politicians, demagogues) to maximise the attention focused on the speaker, and because it's felt to add extra weight and profundity, and an air of sincerity, to the words being spoken.

I know which option I'd bet on.
 
Interestingly for those who think that the MSM are in on a conspiracy to silence RB, he was into David Icke while still on R2 and interviewed him on his show a couple of times.

From January 5th 2008:-
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/david-icke-his-work.4101/page-20#post-754961
GNC said:
Mr Icke was phoned up on the Russell Brand show on Radio 2 tonight and at one point he asserted that President George W. Bush is paedophile. Supposedly Ickey-Wicke is going to be on Brandy-Wand's show next week from the Isle of Wight, but after tonight it'll be interesting to hear if they let him on.
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And then the following week:-
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/david-icke-his-work.4101/page-20#post-756455
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Anyway, I'm listening to the Icke-Brand show at the moment, and Brand is tying himself in knots trying to agree with Icke while still not sounding like a nutter. Icke has no such qualms. At least he's been asked about the lizards, a subject he usually avoids in interviews.
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I wonder if Brand was 'inspired' by Icke?
As he's slowly shifted from comedian to political commentator, willing to 'entertain' certain beliefs and theories, it might look like he's taken some lessons from Ickey-Wikey.
 
Spookdaddy said:
Funnily enough, I was just reading about this the other day.

It's a quite common natural trait - generally an unconscious one, which is thought to help with co-ordination of speech, and possibly even with the language/memory relationship; but it's often exploited by professional speechifiers (lecturers, politicians, demagogues) to maximise the attention focused on the speaker, and because it's felt to add extra weight and profundity, and an air of sincerity, to the words being spoken.

I know which option I'd bet on.
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A lot of people do the hand-wavey thing.
I've done it occasionally myself when I've struggled to express myself verbally, although I don't make a habit of it.
Brand does it in all of his videos - he's a really twitchy fellow.
 
Re: hand waving.
It's a considered a stereotypical action by many Mediterranean language speakers. While it is a stereotype, that idea must've come from somewhere.
I used to know a young Spanish women who, when animated, did wave her hands about. My GF at the time and I used to joke that if we wanted to silence Loreta, just handcuff her hands behind her back.
 
Mythopoeika said:
A lot of people do the hand-wavey thing.
I've done it occasionally myself when I've struggled to express myself verbally, although I don't make a habit of it.
Brand does it in all of his videos - he's a really twitchy fellow.
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Allegations aside, twitchy is the best way to describe Brand.
 
Is he actually hyperactive? Or is it a pose of vehemence and energy?
 
Stormkhan said:
Is he actually hyperactive? Or is it a pose of vehemence and energy?
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Well, he's always looked hyperactive, going way back before he got involved in politics. Even when he's been in films.

I dislike the whole hand waving thing, but he's certainly not the only one that does it - huge numbers of people in the media do.
 
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