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Am I alone in thinking that the Pictures of Phoebe transmitted by the probe Cassini bear an uncanny resemblance to the Planet of the Clangers?
I reckon that NASA have done a cover up job on the images of the Soup Dragon!

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Here's the June 2004 Phoebe photo to which this post most probably refers ...


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17 pages of new images at the Cassini RAW website http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... /index.cfm

Some really stunning images coming down from the last orbit:

Rhea and the rings in the background !!!!
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... 028468.jpg

Edge on view of the rings:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... 005056.jpg

Mimas and the rings:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... 028510.jpg

Dione and Titan in the same frame:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... 028445.jpg

Tiny moon Janus in the rings:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... 028462.jpg

Dione and tiny Prometheus in the rings:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i ... 028517.jpg
 
Although it sounds daft and I really have no idea what I'm looking at the middle images in the strips on page 21 of raw images has what almost looks like a man draped in robes looking at something to his left...

The Ghosts Of Saturn?
 
The Greatest Saturn Portrait...Yet

http://ciclops.lpl.arizona.edu/view.php?id=483

While cruising around Saturn in early October, Cassini captured a series of images that have been composed into the largest, most detailed, global natural color view of Saturn and its rings ever made.

This grand mosaic consists of 126 images acquired in a tile-like fashion, covering one end of Saturn's rings to the other and the entire planet in between. The images were taken over the course of 2 hours on October 6, 2004, while Cassini was approximately 6.3 million kilometers (3.9 million miles) from Saturn. Since the view seen by Cassini during this time changed very little, no re-projection or alteration of any of the images was necessary.

Three images (red, green and blue) were taken at each of 42 locations, or “footprints”, across the planet. The full color footprints were mosaicked together to produce a final product that is 8,888 pixels across and 4,544 pixels tall.

The smallest features seen here are 38 kilometers (24 miles) across. Many of Saturn's splendid features noted previously in single frames taken by Cassini are visible in this one detailed, all-encompassing view: Subtle color variations across the rings, the thread-like F ring, ring shadows cast against the blue northern hemisphere, the planet’s shadow making its way across the rings to the left, blue-grey storms in Saturn's southern hemisphere to the right and tiny Mimas and even smaller Janus (both faintly visible at lower left).

The Sun-Saturn-Cassini, or phase, angle at the time was 72 degrees; hence, the partial illumination of Saturn in this portrait. Later in the mission, when the spacecraft’s trajectory takes it far from Saturn and also into the direction of the Sun, Cassini will be able to look back and view Saturn and its rings in a more fully-illuminated geometry.
 
Took a while and the graphics card spat the dummy but Crikey! what a picture! Thanks 'Spot.

{'Splash bows majestically and creakily.}
1001 posts! Crikey Squared!
 
Wow, how gorgeous is that?

It's hard to beleive it's not CG, even if it is, it's amazing. ;)
 
The blue colour at the top is the most unexpected to me; this seems to be due to Rayleigh scattering above the clouds, and is caused by the same mechanism that makes our own skies (and planet) blue.
 
Amazing picture. Let's hear it for the robot explorers bondly going where no-one's gone yet.
 
Europe tells US: 'Come to Europa'



The next big cooperative European-US space mission will be to Europa, the ice-crusted moon of Jupiter.

A joint working team is being set up to consider what sort of spacecraft would be needed and what each side could do.

Officials in Washington and Paris are keen to follow up the spectacular success of Cassini-Huygens at Saturn.

"It was a beautiful marriage and we really are looking to do a repeat," said Professor David Southwood, from the European Space Agency (Esa).

Southwood told the BBC News website that "Europe could do Europa on its own", but that a cooperative venture was extremely attractive.


Many scientists agree that Europa is now a high priority target for a major mission.

The moon, discovered by Galileo, is slightly smaller than the Earth's Moon. Its covering of white and brownish-tinted ice is riven with cracks that are probably the result of stressing caused by the contorting tidal effects of Jupiter's strong gravity.

Researchers speculate that tidal heating may even have produced vast oceans of water under the ice sheet and that this environment could harbour micro-organisms.

Convenient time

The Esa director of science held discussions about Europa with counterparts at the US space agency (Nasa) at the end of last week. "I've definitely piqued their interest," he said.

The discussions are at a very early stage - and a mission that would launch no earlier than 2016 is some way off becoming a reality.

Nevertheless, Professor Southwood said it was a good time to consider how the two agencies could build on their Saturn experience, which has produced stunning images of the ringed planet and put a lander on the surface of Titan.

The Americans had planned to go to Europa independently with their Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter (Jimo). But the ambitious project, which would have used a nuclear propulsion system, has been shelved as Nasa re-focuses its budget on a White House initiative that could take humans back to the Moon.

As a consequence, the European suggestion of a joint mission to Europa has been favourably entertained.

As with Cassini-Huygens, Southwood envisages the new mission incorporating a double-spacecraft architecture.

Surface imperative

"You've got to have a relay satellite," he explained. "You go together; you fly out there in tandem.

"They separate after Jupiter orbit insertion and then you leave the relay satellite in orbit around Jupiter, preferably in a resonance with Europa.

Then there's a debate about what you do at Europa. Personally, I would like deep-penetrating radar [on an orbiter]. But that's because I'm a remote-sensing man.

"I believe you get more by getting the global picture than you do by scratching and sniffing the surface."

But the pressure to go down to Europa's cracked and blotchy surface would be immense, said Professor John Zarnecki, the principal investigator on the surface science instruments loaded on to Huygens for its Titan descent.

"If it is technically feasible to go to the surface, you would want to do that. Huygens' surface image on Titan says everything," the Open University researcher enthused.

"But, it may be that what you want to do - to look below Europa's ice - you can do that better from orbit.

"The Esa-Nasa group that's going to be set up will look at just these sorts of technical issues," added Professor Zarnecki, who has been party to the initial trans-Atlantic discussions.

Power needs

Researchers at the German Aerospace Centre are already developing a prototype technology that could be used to melt through Europa's ice sheet. Any water might be a considerable (and possibly unreachable) way down - 20-30km down.

Once under the sheet, the probe would take samples and drop mass to begin a slow climb back up the ice column. On the surface, it could then send data to an orbiter or relay satellite for onward transmission to Earth.

Europe already has a major mission en route to Jupiter's orbit - the Rosetta mission, which will chase down a comet and put a lander on its surface. This has given Esa the confidence to go it alone to Europa if the Americans decide eventually not to participate in a joint mission.

But a key factor is likely to be power systems. Although solar panels will work on spacecraft at that distance, the desire for sufficient energy to drive many instruments means any mission would really need to go with radioisotope thermal generators (RTGs) - solid state electrical generators powered by the heat of radioactive decay.

Europe has no expertise with RTGs - the Americans have, and Cassini carries three to provide 700 watts to its systems.

"I'd much rather do this with RTGs," said Professor Southwood. "And that makes it almost certainly a joint venture with the Americans and why should we do it separately?

"This was waiting to happen. Someone just had to say it."

Professor Fred Taylor, of Oxford University, UK, said the case for going to Europa was compelling.

"The attraction of Europa is that it is a water world - the surface is frozen, of course, because of its exposure to cold space, but not far underneath the ice is an ocean of warm water.

"We have never explored such a place beyond our own Earth, and the technology required is not too different from the successful US-European Cassini-Huygens mission, so it's a natural for the next big international collaboration in space," commented the scientist, who worked on the 1990s Galileo mission to Jupiter.

"It will be much cheaper than Jimo, which is more of a long-term project (and which has not been abandoned completely)."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4347571.stm
 
more moons more moons...

Twelve new moons for Saturn

Astronomers have discovered 12 new moons orbiting Saturn, bringing its number of natural satellites to 46.

The moons are small, irregular bodies - probably only about 3-7km in size - that are far from Saturn and take about two years to complete one orbit.

All but one circles Saturn in the opposite direction to its larger moons - a characteristic of captured bodies.

Jupiter is the planet with the most moons, 63 at the last count. Saturn now has 46. Uranus has 27 and Neptune 13.

The latest ones were found last year using the Subaru telescope in Hawaii. Confirmation observations were made last month using the Gemini North telescope also situated in Hawaii.

Planetary puzzles

Dave Jewitt of the University of Hawaii, co-discoverer of the objects, told the BBC News website that they were found as part of a detailed survey of the outer planets in order to better understand their origin.

The newly-found satellites were probably formed in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and scattered out of it by the tug of Jupiter's gravity.

"The key question is how they became captured by Saturn. The current models devised to explain how such bodies are captured are unable to explain why they reach the orbits they do," said Dr Jewitt.

"The new discoveries should improve our knowledge of satellite systems in general and should, eventually, lead to an understanding of how such small, irregular bodies are captured by the gravity of giant planets".

"Having more satellites to study will give us more data to plug into our computer simulations that may tell us what happened", he added.

Astronomers have found that all four giant planets - Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune - possess about the same number of small irregular satellites irrespective of the mass of the planet, the orbit of the satellites, or if they were captured or formed in orbit. This observation remains unexplained.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4511715.stm
 
Saturn's inner moons – more rubble than ice

Saturn's small, inner moons may not be huge chunks of ice as once thought, but rather "rubble piles" of material built up around small central cores, a team of Cassini scientists suggests.

Before the Cassini mission to Saturn’s moons, scientists knew small moons such as Pan, Atlas, Janus and Epimetheus orbited the ringed planet. "But we didn't have good pictures of them. We didn't have measurements of their shape," says Carolyn Porco, Cassini Imaging Science Team leader from the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado, US. "It could have been that they were collisional shards, monolithic pieces of ice."

But now that Cassini has relayed images of those satellites back to Earth and scientists have examined the moons' shapes, estimated their masses and calculated their densities, Porco says that does not look to be the case.

Instead, she says, the "rounded football" shape of Calypso, Telesto (pictured), Epimetheus, Janus, Pandora, Prometheus, Atlas and Pan is characteristic of accreted bodies – where material has built around a core. They have "the shape of the Roche zone," Porco says.

The Roche zone is the point at which a satellite is massive enough and far enough from its host planet or body to hold together despite the larger body's tidal tug. Beyond the Roche zone – closer to the central body – particles do not lump together and satellites are torn apart.

Revealing shape
The Cassini team has found the dimensions of Saturn's small, interior moons to be similar to those they would expect for Roche zone moons of their size and proximity to Saturn. So Porco told New Scientist the moons are "almost undoubtedly rubble piles" formed through accretion.

Scientists still do not have reliable masses for two of the so-called Trojan moons of Saturn – Telesto and Calypso – but the team includes them as satellites likely to have been accreted based on their shape in Cassini's recent pictures. The very low densities – between about 0.4 and 0.6 grams per cubic centimetre – calculated for the moons with known masses further support the "rubble pile" theory.

The team is scheduled to present its results at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston, Texas, US, in March 2006.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn8720
 
Mystery of Saturn's vanishing 'spokes' illuminated

The mystery of the disappearing "spokes" in Saturn's rings may not be because they are hard to see. New research suggests they may not be there at all when the Sun is at a certain angle.

NASA's Voyager missions in 1980 and 1981 captured detailed images of the peculiar radial structures, some of which stretched as far as 20,000 kilometres across Saturn's B ring. The Hubble Space Telescope has also imaged the spokes. But the features disappeared in October 1998 and were still nowhere to be seen when NASA's Cassini probe arrived at Saturn in 2004.

Some researchers argued the reason was that the viewing conditions were not good enough and that Cassini would not see the spokes again until 2007, when Saturn's rings will lie nearly edge-on to the Sun. But in September 2005, Cassini captured a series of images of the rings on the dark side of the planet, featuring smaller, fainter spokes.

Scientists believe spokes are produced when micron-sized dust grains on the surface of boulders in the main ring become charged and float above the ring plane. But they do not agree about how the dust particles become charged.

Background plasma
The most popular model says meteorites bombard the rings, producing a transient cloud of dense plasma that charges the grains. Another possible explanation is that high-energy electron beams from aurora on Saturn create the temporary plasma cloud.

"We don't really know which model is correct," says Mihály Horányi, at the University of Colorado, Boulder, US. But he and his colleagues, including spokes expert Carolyn Porco of the Space Science Institute also in Boulder, say once they are triggered, the background plasma environment above the rings plays an important role in determining how long the grains will stay aloft. And the plasma density above the rings is linked to the angle between the Sun and the rings.

"If that angle is too high, the particles will quickly fall back to the ring and we won't have a chance to see a whole group of them as a spoke," Horányi told New Scientist.

Spoke cycles
The group argues that when the background plasma density is low, the grains kicked up above the ring plane continue to be repelled by the ring and can therefore create spokes. Such a low plasma density can be produced when the Sun is at a low angle relative to the ring plane and fewer photons shine down on the rings. If the plasma density is high, the levitated grains will fall back down to the ring, the researchers say.

They suggest that, when the plasma density is relatively low, spoke activity switches off when the angle between the rings and the Sun exceeds 20°. In that case, they say, "we expect spoke activity for about 8 years at a time, followed by a period without spokes that lasts 6 to 7 years."

And although Cassini is too close to the ring plane to look for spokes, the team expects that the spokes will have returned by July 2006, when Cassini has a better opportunity for viewing.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/articl ... nated.html
 
Very strange:
Bizarre hexagon circles Saturn's north pole
21:21 27 March 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Maggie McKee

A deep, hexagon-shaped feature lies above Saturn's north pole, newly released images from the Cassini spacecraft reveal. The strange structure appears to be nearly stationary and may be a wave that stretches deep into the giant planet's atmosphere.

NASA's Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft glimpsed parts of the feature nearly 30 years ago, but because of their viewing angle, they were not able to see the whole thing. Now, Cassini's visual and infrared mapping spectrometer has captured the entire hexagon for the first time, thanks to a series of infrared images it took as the spacecraft flew over the pole in October and November 2006

The hexagon spans nearly 25,000 kilometres – the width of two Earths – and appears to be a clearing in the clouds that extends at least 75 km below the planet's visible cloudtops.

"This is a very strange feature, lying in a precise geometric fashion with six nearly equally straight sides," says team member Kevin Baines of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, US. "We've never seen anything like this on any other planet."

Striking differencesIn a statement, NASA says the feature may be "an unusually strong pole-encircling planetary wave that extends deep into the atmosphere".

Saturn's south pole also boasts a dramatic feature – a hurricane-like storm two-thirds as wide as the Earth (scroll down for image and see Spectacular storm rages on Saturn's south pole).

"It's amazing to see such striking differences on opposite ends of Saturn's poles," says Bob Brown, leader of the Cassini visual and infrared mapping spectrometer at the University of Arizona in Tucson, US. "At the south pole, we have what appears to be a hurricane with a giant eye, and at the north pole of Saturn we have this geometric feature, which is completely different."

Currently, the hexagon can only be detected at infrared wavelengths because it is winter in the northern hemisphere – a 15-year-long season in which sunlight does not fall on the pole. As spring begins to dawn in the region over the next two years, astronomers will search for the feature at visible wavelengths.

http://space.newscientist.com/article.n ... news_rss20
 
BlackRiverFalls said:
i'm speachless. that's f*cking weird!
Yes, you often get "Wow!" moments in astronomy, but rarely a WTF! like this!
 
In fact, now I think of it, I'm reminded of the lunar obelisk found in the film 2001..... :shock:

.....an artificial alien marker, left for us to find when we have the technology.....
 
Its probably some sort of meteorological structure analogous to the jet-stream on Earth, which also forms a wavelike pattern as seen from the poles; but this is extraordinarily regular. Some sort of harmonic relationship between the wind speed and the the size of the planet, perhaps?

Or perhaps it's a hatch, waiting to open and release hordes of Saturnian demonships...
 
It's a hexagon - six sides.
Saturn is the sixth planet from the sun.

How long before someone tries to make something of this?

It could be the Magrathean equivalent of a copyright mark for the solar system.
 
Timble2 said:
It's a hexagon - six sides.
Saturn is the sixth planet from the sun.
So the third rock from the sun should have an ancient marker involving a triangle....

...each face of the Pyramid of Giza is a triangle! :shock:

It's a sign, I tell 'ee! ;)
 
This nut cries out for Operation Space-Spanner! :madeyes:


Please to place own joke of Uranus here.
 
wouldnt the moon be the dot since its the same size??(from earth)
 
And seemingly with a member of the Bohr family involved, nice.
 
Both Neils Bohr and his son Aage won the Nobel Prize; is this another of that family?

Incidentally a number of children of Nobel Prize winners have gone on to win it themselves;
apart from Aage and Neils Bohr, there is Irene Curie, who won the Nobel with her husband Frédéric Joliot-Curie; and G P Thomson, who won the prize after providing proof that electrons behave like waves.
His father, JJ Thomson, won it for proving they behaved like particles; they were both right.
 
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