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I just saw a pretty plausible explanation elsewhere, oarweed. Or similar.
 

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Not a conger. The very big ones only grow to up to 3 metres, but most are much smaller. They tend to hide in crevices and hunt along the bottom of the sea in deeper water. I've seen many in their natural habitat.

Not an oarfish. They grow to 5 or even 10 metres, but they don't behave like that.

The camera is moving all the time, but as far as I can tell, the "monster" is pretty static in relation to the rocks on the shore, despite its sinuous movement that superficially resembles swimming.

Whatever it is is not alive. It is fixed to the bottom in at least one place. The movement is simply the "monster" undulating with the incoming swell. It occasionally breaks the surface and occasionally disappears. That is not the monster diving or breaching, but caused by the peaks and troughs of the swells passing. My guess is either a broad bladed seaweed, or some plastic packaging of some kind.

I remember being on Coll once and a few of us stood for ages trying to get a clear view of a dolphin or whale playing in the bay until the skipper of our charter boat laughed and pointed out it was a "rocky dolphin": an uneven patch of rock breaking the surface as a gentle low swell passed, giving a false impression that something was moving around a small area as different parts broke the surface.

As for the comment that it is "the first sighting of the Loch Ness Monster outside Scotland," that is just plain silly.
 

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It's from the Discovery Channel's docu "Megalodon: The Monster Shark Still Lives".

But in the words of Vreenak, "It's a faaaaaake!"

https://www.theverge.com/2014/2/21/...egaladon-shark-fake-photograph-george-monbiot

Some problems Monbiot pointed out after crowdsourcing feedback about the photo:


  • Nazis didn't watermark photos with a swastika.
  • Sepia-toned photos are an old-timey trope and were typically used for family photos as an extra processing step on black and white photos to make them look better.
  • 64 feet from fin to fin would have made the Megalodon twice as long as it was in prehistoric times.
  • In the photo, the fins create no waves or wakes despite the Megalodon's size and probable power, suggesting it's just… sitting there, in the water.

Finally, Monbiot's readers located the source of the photo: it's a still from some footage of U-boats that is absent of any fins suggesting a massive fish.


https://arstechnica.com/information...lems-with-a-fake-image-used-in-a-documentary/
 
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I've just found this pic on Facebook, the writing with it states:
'A military photo from 1942 showing what many scientists believe to be an extinct Megalodon shark surfacing next to a German U-boat.'
Frustratingly, no more details are given about it, I suppose it could be shopped ...
Old news ... We went through this case back in 2014 ... It's a faked image for which no evidence can be found that it pre-dates its appearance in a Discovery Channel program in 2013.

http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/giant-shark-cryptid.3883/
http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/carcaradon-megalodon.1819/
 

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Assuming a Type VII 'U-Boat' (the most common model of the war), we're looking at a length of a shade over 220 ft.

If the putative creature is really 64 ft at that distance, the scale doesn't look at all right to me.

The conning tower is located amidships, so that gives us an approximate half-length measurement for the vessel of 110ft from the bow to the centre of the tower.

If you keep on bringing that 64 ft object nearer, it's going to grow far too large for the measurement to be accurate.
 

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Sceptical! Not impossible, but unlikely.

The writer presents a big provisional conclusion based on body temperatures and the length of the digestive tract, and a small number of anomalous reports.

My first thought was the breeding cycle of the supposed giant turtle. Not only would there need to be a sustainable breeding population, but turtles crawl ashore to lay their eggs.

Of course, it is not impossible that a species might become ovoviviparious. However, even then, the young would need to survive and grow through all the stages from small to large before they became giant, and it would be expected that the smaller specimens might have been found in drift nets or washed ashore by now.
 

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Sceptical! Not impossible, but unlikely.

The writer presents a big provisional conclusion based on body temperatures and the length of the digestive tract, and a small number of anomalous reports.

My first thought was the breeding cycle of the supposed giant turtle. Not only would there need to be a sustainable breeding population, but turtles crawl ashore to lay their eggs.

Of course, it is not impossible that a species might become ovoviviparious. However, even then, the young would need to survive and grow through all the stages from small to large before they became giant, and it would be expected that the smaller specimens might have been found in drift nets or washed ashore by now.
I don't belive a word of it! Posted for entertainment only. Other, larger sharks diid this. If it had been off the north coast then saltwater crocs would have been good candidates.
 

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They said this one is better: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...il-discoveries-influence-sea-serpent-reports/ Though the writer suggests mosasaurs have necks, which is silly.

I've read the paper and it is additional evidence that cryptid descriptions are correlated to images and suggestions in the media and associated social cues. This ties into the idea that movie monsters also strongly influence cryptid popularity - Bigfoot, chupacabra, Thetis Lake monster, as examples - a concept Blake Smith of Monster Talk podcast calls "Scriptids". It's not a surprise and is backed up by plenty of data that correlates paranormal concepts in general gaining popularity in accordance with media depictions. But, it's not always straightforward. Some things get popular while other things just don't resonate.
 

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They said this one is better: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...il-discoveries-influence-sea-serpent-reports/ Though the writer suggests mosasaurs have necks, which is silly.

I've read the paper and it is additional evidence that cryptid descriptions are correlated to images and suggestions in the media and associated social cues. This ties into the idea that movie monsters also strongly influence cryptid popularity - Bigfoot, chupacabra, Thetis Lake monster, as examples - a concept Blake Smith of Monster Talk podcast calls "Scriptids". It's not a surprise and is backed up by plenty of data that correlates paranormal concepts in general gaining popularity in accordance with media depictions. But, it's not always straightforward. Some things get popular while other things just don't resonate.
Prof. Chris French showed this effect in a Channel 5 (UK) program on Loch Ness. Unfortunately he didn't write anything, e.g. a paper, about it (I asked him).
 

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Prof. Chris French showed this effect in a Channel 5 (UK) program on Loch Ness. Unfortunately he didn't write anything, e.g. a paper, about it (I asked him).
I'd love to see a book on this. But I'm picky and would like to see it WELL DONE, not just some joker slapping examples together.
 

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I'd love to see a book on this. But I'm picky and would like to see it WELL DONE, not just some joker slapping examples together.
I'd settle for a decent paper, but yep.
 

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