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Seasteading: Living Free On The World's Seas

EnolaGaia said:
I can't help but see the seasteading movement as having been inspired by the song 'Wooden Ships'. That song from a half-century ago described fleeing the aftermath of a nuclear war by taking to the seas. Save for that specific thematic allusion the song would presumably still resonate with folks who long to escape traditional human societies / strictures.
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To be fair ... The Thai government may have a point in disputing whether the prototype seastead is legally beyond the bounds of their sovereignty.

Territorial waters represent a very complex legal topic. The most widely recognized basis for defining territorial waters is the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

Under this convention, nations have certain limited sovereignty rights within a 'contiguous zone' extending another 12 nautical miles beyond the 12 nautical mile limit of their territorial waters. From the webpage linked above:

Beyond the 12-nautical-mile (22 km) limit, there is a further 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the territorial sea baseline limit, the contiguous zone, in which a state can continue to enforce laws in four specific areas: customs, taxation, immigration and pollution, if the infringement started within the state's territory or territorial waters, or if this infringement is about to occur within the state's territory or territorial waters. This makes the contiguous zone a hot pursuit area.
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If you're super rich theres always https://aboardtheworld.com/

a residential, permanently cruising ship, with long term residential apartments.

studio apartments start a about a million dollars (same as london, no?) but there are also several thousand per month fees plus hundred grand a year maintenance.
 
Ladyloafer said:
If you're super rich theres always https://aboardtheworld.com/

a residential, permanently cruising ship, with long term residential apartments.

studio apartments start a about a million dollars (same as london, no?) but there are also several thousand per month fees plus hundred grand a year maintenance.
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If there is a fall of civilisation then the crew can always eat the passengers!
 
PeteByrdie said:
I had a notion years ago that, as climate change progresses, the rich might begin to inhabit floating platforms and perhaps even huge cruise ships, repurposed passenger liners, leaving the ordinary folk to eke a living from remaining resources on land, which will mostly be sold to the rich when they come into port. I wonder if seasteading is the first indication that the wealthy want to loose ties from us grubby lot and live the life they feel they can't within our politically entangled societies. They're deluded, no doubt, in the way so many idealists have traditionally been; their shared values won't prevent ideological fractures from forming, and now they'll all be stuck at sea together.
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i remember an episode of a 90's tv show, set in the 'near future' - i think its was probably 'seaquest- and there were climate refugees, whose island, or coastline or whatever had sunk under the waves and they were living on an iceberg that had sheared off from antarctica! iirc the story was something about it floating into a nations waters and whether they could be there. or something. it was a very silly programme.
 
ramonmercado said:
If there is a fall of civilisation then the crew can always eat the passengers!
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exactly, lol. trouble with ships like that, or exclusive floating islands, is, as others have said above, they are dependent of others. ships require a hell of a lot of fuel for a start. if no-one let it dock, or the shore was too dangerous, they'd soon run out of drinking water, food, fuel, medicine.
 
Ladyloafer said:
if no-one let it dock, or the shore was too dangerous, they'd soon run out of drinking water, food, fuel, medicine.
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... tolerance for one another, respect for one another, a distaste for violence against one another. It's often been said that a lot of high achieving individuals are psychopaths. Imagine!
 
PeteByrdie said:
... tolerance for one another, respect for one another, a distaste for violence against one another. It's often been said that a lot of high achieving individuals are psychopaths. Imagine!
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hmm. perhaps we could round them up and put them on a ship together....

ooh, its like that film 2012. the arks ended up full of russian oligarchs and politicians, and no one useful.
 
Ladyloafer said:
i remember an episode of a 90's tv show, set in the 'near future' - i think its was probably 'seaquest- and there were climate refugees, whose island, or coastline or whatever had sunk under the waves and they were living on an iceberg that had sheared off from antarctica! iirc the story was something about it floating into a nations waters and whether they could be there. or something. it was a very silly programme.
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That sounds like the 1995 seaQuest 2032 episode 'In the Company of Ice and Profit'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Company_of_Ice_and_Profit_(seaQuest_2032)
 
PeteByrdie said:
It's often been said that a lot of high achieving individuals are psychopaths. Imagine!
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Used to be thought that. Increasingly not the case, psychopaths do well well at "talking the talk" but seldom "walk the walk". In short, they are good at getting into roles by using charisma, politicking and game playing, but seldom, if ever, actually deliver good results for the business they're in. Which makes sense, because they don't give a stuff about that.
 
This new Scientific American article is an updated review of seasteading concepts in light of rising ocean levels and the need for current seashore dwellers to adapt.
Could Floating Cities Be a Haven as Coastlines Submerge?

“Seasteader” housing built on platforms would rise and fall with the tides, but practical challenges are huge

By century’s end, tens of millions of U.S. coastal property owners will face a decision embodied in the popular exhortation, “Move it or lose it.”

But there’s an option for people who can’t imagine a home without an ocean view. It’s called “seasteading,” and it could be a 21st-century antidote to the nation’s disappearing shorelines.

“Floating cities” could become climate havens for people whose lives and livelihoods are tethered to the sea or nearby coast, according to the San Francisco-based Seasteading Institute. ...
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FULL STORY: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-floating-cities-be-a-haven-as-coastlines-submerge/
 
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