SEPTEMBER 11: The History of 9/11

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SEPTEMBER 11 – THE HISTORY OF 9/11:

In 1998, 3 years before 9/11 the US government was advised that it would be necessary to replace Afghanistan's Taliban government before an essential oil pipeline could be built:

"So there will be no pipeline until there is an internationally regionized government"
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/in ... 8119_0.HTM

There are precedents for this sort of armed robbery before September 11:

"Oil played its part in a 1953 coup in Iran - organised by the US and Britain. They managed to overthrow an elected prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh, and installed (the dictator) Shah Reza" - so we can see that regime change is about the control of natural resources - not about democracy or freedom. The same was true after 9/11.

And "in 1973 Washington drew up a plan to seize oilfields in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi to counter an Arab oil embargo against the West. One recent study paper by an American military analyst even suggests that one day the United States and Europe might be in conflict over dwindling Middle East oil supplies." Wake up. This is happening now thanks to September 11.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/3625207.stm


In September 2001 - days before September 11 - the largest military 'exercise' of all time took place. Operation Saif Sareea II just happened to put the Afghanistan invasion force in place in time for 9/11. How convenient.
http://www.army.mod.uk/102brigade/exerc ... sareea.htm

"The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 26 October announced that it is to contribute 4,200 personnel currently involved in Exercise 'Saif Sareea II' in Oman to provide further support for US-led coalition operations in Afghanistan."
http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forc ... _1_n.shtml

"There has been a great deal of speculation in recent weeks – much of it ill-judged and unhelpful – about diverting our forces taking part in Exercise Saif Sareea II to conduct operations in and around Afghanistan." How convenient. What an incredible coincidence:
http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/st ... _26oct.htm

When 9/11 enabled the invasion of Afghanistan, the US-led coalition installed Hamed Karzai as the country's leader. Hamed Karzai was previously a consultant for the US oil company Unocal - the company that planned to build the Afghanistan oil pipeline.
All thanks to the September 11 attacks.
http://www.answers.com/topic/hamid-karzai
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2017044.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm

So we know that there was an intention to invade Afghanistan for the oil pipeline. We know that troops were sent to the region days before 9/11.

So what about September 11 itself? (Where to begin!?)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

On 9/11 - just like the later explosions in London on 7/7 - there was an identical exercise being conducted by the government. On September 11 there was an exercise dealing with aircraft colliding with buildings. On July 7 there was an exercise dealing with bombings at the exact same train stations that were actually bombed that day.

The leaseholder of the complex, Larry Silverstein, is on record as having authorised the demolition of building 7:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... ilverstein

He had just secured an insurance deal specifically paying out for terrorist attacks, making the disaster very valuable to him personally. Incidentally he was also a big supporter and fundraiser for Israel according to the Jerusalem Post:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/acces ... MTS=ABS:FT


US Government, The DoD, NORAD and FAA Lied to the 9/11 Comission:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 8087.shtml

And one by one the 9/11 hijackers pulverised and incinerated in their planes, then pulverised again by the collapse of the twin towers, have started to turn up alive and well:

“Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well … Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September … He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 559151.stm


The evidence is overwhelming. We’ve been lied to. It is physically impossible for the aircraft collisions and resulting fires to have caused the complete, symmetrical, high-speed collapse of the twin towers - let alone building 7, which collapsed shortly afterwards.

The really frightening thing is that there are indications the US & British regimes plan to invade Iran to complete the oil monopoly over the Afghanistan pipeline and the biggest and most accessible oilfields of the Middle East. Will this require another huge attack?

Look at the facts for yourself. A lot of people are making a lot of noise about this, using their own time and money. If you won't watch all of these then what are you afraid of? The truth?

September 11 Demolitions:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1483512003

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 5910247150

http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2006/04/ ... tions.html

http://fpidocument.blogspot.com/2005/12/call-911.html

http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2006/03/ ... ssion.html

http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.html

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 3848835726

London - 7/7 Explosions:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ju ... rcises.htm

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-downloads.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/london/index.htm

A former MI5 anti-terrorism expert made this film:

http://officialconfusion.com/77/mindthe ... hegap.html

http://www.sundayherald.com/37707

People who claim the official propaganda is true always struggle to find evidence - because there is absolutely none whatsoever. Because the official story is physically impossible and full of gaping holes - unlike the pentagon wall which had two missing holes and two missing gashes where we are told two big heavy engines, two wings spanning 125 FEET and a tail of 44.5 FEET struck at enormous speed:

http://0911.site.voila.fr/compall.jpg


These experts know a lot more about the subject than us so we should listen:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyQuestion911.html

http://physics911.net/spine.htm

S.P.I.N.E. : The Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven

Derrick Grimmer
Ames, IA, USA
PhD: Washington University
Physics

David Shayler
Eastbourne, Great Britain
Hon MA Lit. & Linguistics
MI5 former anti-terrorism officer

David Heller
Berkeley, CA
BS: Physics Bard College
MA: S. F. Inst. Architecture
Architect and Builder

Lieut. Col. USAF (ret.)
Jerry Longspaugh
Fort Worth, TX, USA
MSc: Brooklyn Polytechnic
Aerospace Engineer

George F. Nelson
Huntsville, AL, USA
FAA A&P Licence
US Airforce Colonel (ret.)
Ralph W. Omholt
Kirkland, WA, USA
AAPP University of Alaska
Professional Airline Pilot

Peter J. Kirsch
Western Cape, South Africa
MD: University of Wi****ersrand
Forensic Pathology
Karen Kwiatkowski
Mt. Jackson, VA

A. K. Dewdney
London, Canada
PhD: U of Waterloo
Mathematics

Russ Wittenberg
Carefree, AZ
BBA U. of Miami FL
US Airforce Capt. (ret)
Captain for PAA & UAL
USC @ Santa Barbara
US Naval Intelligence

Jesse Hemingway
Al Cahon, CA, USA
BBA National University
(frmr.) USN Operations Specialist
Phil Jayhan
Chicago, IL, USA

Robert Ballan
Norwood, NY, USA
MSc & JD: Clarkson College
Chemistry & Law

Kevin Barrett
Lone Rock WI, USA PhD U of Wisconsin
Islamic Studies

Walter Davis
Kent, OH, USA
PhD: U of Connecticut
Kinesiology

Annie Higgins
Gainesville, FL
PhD University of Chicago
Arabic Language & Literature

Timothy P. Howell
Upsala, Sweden
PhD: U. of Edinburgh
Computer Science
Don Trent (Four Arrows) Jacobs
Sequim, WA
Ed. D. Boise State University
Professor, Fielding Graduate U

Steven E. Jones
Provo, Utah
PhD: Vanderbilt University
Physicist, Brigham Young U.
PhD Catholic University

Brad Mayeaux
Kenner, LA, USA
Electr. &Tech. Inst. of New Orleans
Cellphone Engineer

Morgan Reynolds
Arkansas, USA PhD: U of Wisconsin
former Chief Economist,
United States Department of Labor

Kevin Ryan
Bloomington, IN, USA
BSc Indiana University
Chemistry
ASQ Certified Quality Engineer

Nila Sagadevan
Laguna Hills, CA, USA
HBS U. of Edinburgh.
Aeronautical Engineer and Qualified Pilot

Bernard Windham
Tallahassee, FL, USA
MS Florida State
MS Louisiana State
Statistician

Karin Brothers
Toronto, Canada
MS Georgia State
Instructional Design Systems Engineer

John DiNardo
Towaco, NJ, USA
BA: Kean University
Science Education
Donald Eckhoff
Morgan Hill CA, USA

Drexel Institute of Technology
Engineer & manufacturer
Kenyon Gibson
London, England

(There's a lot more experts. I couldn't fit them in.)

http://physics911.net

Wake up. And tell everybody you can about this terrible crime. Because in spite of the huge and growing international cry of anger the corporate mass media is mysteriously silent. Wake the world for the anniversary of the 9-11 demolitions.
 

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Hello Oilwar, you might want to take a look at the smorgasbord of 9/11 threads we have already......

Welcome to the board.
 

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Thanks

Thanks for making me feel so welcome. It's coming up to the anniversary and I had to get it all off my chest. Hopefully you'll find some new and/or interesting angles/evidence.
 

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Thanks for making me feel so welcome. It's coming up to the anniversary and I had to get it all off my chest. Hopefully you'll find some new and/or interesting angles/evidence.
Theres usually plenty of angles unfortunatley they are usualy pointy and get rebuffed by the more sceptical members of the board ( naming no names)

It may help if we all put a brief where we stand to relation to 911 on the link.

I,ll start if everyones up for it.
 

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Then again, as has been mentioned, we have significant amounts of discussion about this very subject, so it might be worthwhile oilwar reading through them in oder to avoid repetition.
 

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Everybody's Position

Everybody posting their position sounds like a great idea but perhaps I'm biased as a newcomer here. I have browsed the existing threads but there's a whole lot of material there.

I think I've made it pretty clear where I stand. The hole in the pentagon was demonstrably too small for the aircraft and buildings don't collapse symetrically or in freefall without explosives and/or 'thermite'.

No building in history has ever collapsed into its footprint symetrically and at maximum speed under G without explosives. And none ever will. It's physically impossible.

Just to illustrate how weak the argument in favour of the official propaganda actually is, sceptics actually cite McCormick Place as another example of fire causing demolition - just showing hiw desperate they are for evidence. This is truly foolish because McCormick Place did not - repeat DID NOT collapse. The roof fell in, that's all.

Here is a photo showing the building after the fire. Other than the roof - which you can still see - it's intact:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysi ... rmick.html

The roof collapsed. The building did not demolish itself like the twin towers and building 7 because that's physically impossible unless you rig a building with explosives.

Why would you compare a building that had its roof damaged to a building that symetrically and completely demolishes itself? Because you have no option - because - demolitions aside - the 9/11 self-demolitions were unique in history - because total symetrical self-demolition is physically impossible without explosives and/or 'thermite'.

Concrete and steel do not shred into dust and short sections unless you blast them and/or cut the steel with thermite.

Buildings don't demolish themselves. So somebody did it.

Let's revive the debate for the anniversary.
 

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Re: Everybody's Position

oilwar said:
Buildings don't demolish themselves. So somebody did it.

Let's revive the debate for the anniversary.
I don't wish to be dismissive but all of your points have been covered in the threads, feel free to add your opinions to them.
 

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OK

If anybody does care to generously add their opinion for my benefit I'd be most grateful.

I hope you like the videos, I selected my favourites.
 

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I agree - we have covered all of this stuff in alot of detail, so you may need to read all of that, oilwar. You may have somethig new to add to those threads, but I'd argue that you should read through them first just to be sure that you're not going over old, well-trodden ground.
 

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Jerry_B said:
Then again, as has been mentioned, we have significant amounts of discussion about this very subject, so it might be worthwhile oilwar reading through them in oder to avoid repetition.
Yes and then perhaps it can be merged with one of the headless monsters that is an existing 9/11 conspiracy thread.

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Re: OK

oilwar said:
If anybody does care to generously add their opinion for my benefit I'd be most grateful..
Oilwar, it would be better if you expound your views in the appropriate thread, that way we can all keep track of the various disaparate parts of the 9/11 CT.
 

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Which Thread

So far as I can tell there doesn't seem to be a single 9/11 thread, there seem to be loads.

I'd be delighted if we could reignite the whole debate here.
 

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Re: Which Thread

oilwar said:
So far as I can tell there doesn't seem to be a single 9/11 thread, there seem to be loads.

I'd be delighted if we could reignite the whole debate here.
The point of having loads is that there isn't a single 9/11 conspiracy being vaunted.

And covering the same ground again on a whole new thread oddly doesn't appeal.....
 

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Oilwar - it would definitely be worth your while reading through those threads. I know it's alot of stuff to wade though, but as far as I can tell all of the points you've raised thus far WRT 9/11/ have been covered from various angles in the various threads.
 

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Welcome oilwar, don't be put off by the attempts to sidetrack you, if people feel these points have been covered they are free to stay out, somehow I doubt they will. ;)
 

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New Material

Thanks for your support Mr. Crunchy5.

I'm pretty sure a few points I've raised are new here - having done a medium-scale reccy of the boards.

All the videos are definitely worth a look. I can't remember which one but there is a good piece about thermite in one of the videos. Thermite is a really plausible way in which the demolition could have been assisted. I suspect that HE was also used, probably Composition 4 (PE4 in the UK) or RDX which the military buy loads of anyway.

There were certainly thermite-type showers coming from the buildings just before collapse. You have to actually stop for a moment and think about how big the buildings were to get a feel for how much thermite is actually going off in the video. They must have placed at least a ton of the stuff in each building.

What does everybody else think? Thermite? plastic explosives? Both? Personally I see compelling evidence for both when I watch all those multiple explosions and see the thermite cascades.

We were not there so let's ask some expert witnesses what happened - the experienced fire department men who actually witnessed the demolition. They've seen plenty of fires and know that fire doesn't demolish buildings:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... explosives

I can't go any further without attacking the ridiculous Screw Loose Change video. It's foundation and opening premise is a farce.

The original Loose Change film begins by showing that the US government is quite capable of initiating false-flag operations using declassified documents. The use of aircraft and other similarities in plans that we KNOW they were making simply confirm that the US government is prepared to decieve people in this sort of operation. The original video makes no claim about these plans being connected with 9/11, they are merely used to illustrate the deceptive tendancies of government agencies and that they've considered using similar methods to 9/11 before.

The lolloosechange film just keeps saying there's no connection between previous plans and 9/11. That's not debunking. I lost count of how many times they say there is no proof of a connection after they'd said it more than 9 times.

It's really not worth watching beyond that part, they just keep on deliberately missing the point.
 

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That makes me smile, the screw loose change video near the end goes into detail about your thermite theory, totally debunks it. The point is that Al Qaeda were responsible for 9/11, I realise theres no point trying to convince anyone here as even when the truth slaps you in the face your still blind to it.

heres a short clip that Al Qaeda (I know you already think the CIA released it) released in the last day or so, showing some of the martyrs of 9/11, http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/07/v ... hijackers/

Also I posted the penn and teller conspiracy video in another thread, you wont like it, it wont say anything you agree with, the truth hurts I know.
 

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Thermite & Al Qaida

The Loose Change attempt to debunk the thermite theory is empty and pathetic. Anybody who's ever seen a thermite reaction knows that was thermite.

Anybody who's ever seen a few buildings demolished knows a demolition when they see one.

Building's don't collapse totally, symetrically and in freefall without explosives. Al Qaida can't break the laws of physics. The Pentagon was hit with an identical attack. It didn't totally and symetrically collapse into its footprint, it behaved the way buildings really behave.

The CIA's training program in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation there turned al Qaida from a small band of guerillas into a highly-trained terrorist organisation that fended off the superpower Soviet army. They taught terrorists how to hijack planes (properly - not with little knives) and most significantly they supplied and trained in the use of stinger anti-aircraft missiles. That's a fact of history, not a conspiracy theory.

Look it up. At the same time, maybe do some research on thermite and the use of explosives in demolitions.
 

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Oilwar you may also find this board enlightening

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/

For myself

1. I believe the Towers fell due to poor design and significant crash and fire damage. This explains how three of them fell with all of them being inferior to their design criteria.
2. I think certain US government officials knew in advance about the attack and took little or no steps to stop it happening.
3. I think this looking the other way was to enable the present US administration ( neocon murdering thugs) to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan and soon Iran for the control of OIL and retain Hegemony of the petrol dollar.
4. I'm still not sure about the Pentagon crash ( still looking for suitable explanantion of a few anomalies)
5. There is a global push to create a police state across the Western countrys and removal of our civil liberties.
6. the US and the UK are using Nuclear weaponry in the form of DU weapons , that I think should be banned as they will cause countless deaths for millions of years to come.
7. I also beleive Dr Kelly was murdered and did not commit suicide.

these are all my opinions Jerry ( thought i better add that one in quick )

proof to follow Jerry ;) ;) ;)
 

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heres a short clip that Al Qaeda (I know you already think the CIA released it) released in the last day or so, showing some of the martyrs of 9/11,
do you have the full 1.5 hour version NO HOPE ?
 

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Building 7

Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane. It collapsed. Building 7 and the twin towers are the only three buildings in history to have collapsed after fire or aircraft collision.

And symetrical, freefall collapse into the footprint can only be done with explosives - otherwise experts who spend days rigging them would be out of work.

Buildings collapse first where there is most damage. Damage in the to the twin towers and building 7 cannot possibly have been uniform in scale and nature.
 

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The next report on WTC7 is due soon , the first two were very poor indeed and didnt stand up to much investigation.

I bet the next one will be better Oil

Its the sheer size of the thing that leads me to believe that only maybe 20 people were in the know.
To be able to pull off a complete demolition of all three buildings would incorporate many many people all of which would either need silencing or be very into what was happening in the false flag OP.

Its just to much to ask that all of them would keep to the story for 5 years.

I think they used it to launch their empire bid , I don't think they planned the actual thing.

They certainly helped to cover it up mind
and they certainly helped to turn a blind eye and delay the Millitary responce by rescheduling the war games for that day.
 

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Talking about WTC

this may be of interest

You may be interested to know that Islam Channel (SKY 813) will broadcast an exclusive documentary on Monday evening, September 11 at 6pm called Last Man Out: 9/11 based on a penetrating interview by the tv channel's political editor Yvonne Ridley with Twin Towers' caretaker William Rodriguez.


you remember him Jerry ? ;)

seems he got someone to interview him after all
 

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Techy, the full video has not been released onto the internet yet, well I have not looked for a few hours, will post a link when I find it.

Oil, the thermite, did you watch the guys try to destroy their PC with it, a big shower of red hot sparks are easily seen, there is nothing like that in the 9/11 footage. There was a 20 storey hole ripped in WT7, it collapsed due to damage and fire.

I was just enlightened by techy's suggestion that maybe people knew but let the attack happen. Now I concede that could indeed be the case but the idea that it was a demolition is a non starter, you can try to watch it frame by frame to see your imaginary thermite shower but I can watch it at normal speed and I clearly see a huge plane fly into the side of it, much easier to spot.

edit: the english subtitles on the Qaeda video, were added by qaeda, so we can assume them to be translated correctly, or at least if the translation is not perfect the meaning of them is clear, "One of the martyrs of the Manhattan Raid".

another edit: techy, this is a great source of jihadi videos, they often have the original high quality files and are usually the first to find them, the site is actually anti jihadi, lord knows where he finds the clips: http://www.infovlad.net/ Another big thing happened this week, Khalid Shaik Mohammed is being moved to Guantanamo and is going to face charges, if you didnt know, he is the alleged mastermind of 9/11, I guess a lot will be learned from his trial, hopefully it will convince everyone of who perpetrated the attacks, I doubt it will though.
 

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Thermite

You need to look at the videos. I think it's about 45% of the way through the first one in the list in post 1 of this thread.

I think it's this one:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 5910247150

There were massive fountains of thermite erupting from the towers. You have to pause and think for a moment about the size of the building you're looking at. Then you realise you're seeing many kilos of thermite going off.
 

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Re: Building 7

oilwar said:
Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane. It collapsed. Building 7 and the twin towers are the only three buildings in history to have collapsed after fire or aircraft collision.

And symetrical, freefall collapse into the footprint can only be done with explosives - otherwise experts who spend days rigging them would be out of work.

Buildings collapse first where there is most damage. Damage in the to the twin towers and building 7 cannot possibly have been uniform in scale and nature.
You really need to read both 'WTC Demolition' threads in their entirety. So far, all of the points you've raised have been covered and discussed there.
 

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Demolition by Aircraft?

Planes have hit buildings and caused fires before. No fire has ever demolished a building, even asymetrically.

The Pentagon suffered supposedly precisely the same attack. It didn't symetrically demolish itself into thoroughly blasted powder & rubble. It behaved the way buildings do in real life. There was a small localised collapse where there was most damage.

But hmm... on the subject of the Pentagon, what happened to all the gallons of aviation fuel that gushed blazing from the giant & full fuel tank into the Pentagon? Why wasn't it gutted by fire?

(I'm pretty sure these are new points.)
 

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Re: Thermite & Al Qaida

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The Loose Change attempt to debunk the thermite theory is empty and pathetic. Anybody who's ever seen a thermite reaction knows that was thermite.
I've seen thermite reactions, in the lab, and in welding, and it's not a fucking thermite reaction.
 
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