Serial Killers

Cochise

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Well, again according to the reports, he wasn’t ‘fitted up’ or became a suspect because of images on his phone - that’s not how it happened. He freely walked into the police station & admitted the murder. It’s the prosecution’s job to get a conviction & he doesn’t seem to have exaggerated wildly in his language as reported.

The fact that others have been ‘fitted up’ by police previously has no bearing on this case. You seem to be worrying his sentence is too harsh for the crime of abduction/murder. It remains to be seen whether he recants his confession due to coercion.

I suspect that unless you go on a murdering spree the images on your computer will go unnoticed.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, although I'm by no means sure you are getting the point I'm trying to make, which is no doubt my fault in failing to make it clearly.
 

bugmum

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When I was still at school, a female friend of mine used to say that if she was ever murdered, the press would report that she had a macabre fascination with serial killers, as she had a few books on them - and this was over 30 years ago. My cyber-friend in the US likes nothing better than true crime TV. There have always been people interested in serial killers, some of them very unlikely, but most of them don't then go out and do what this particular scumbag did. So I can see this discussion from both sides. (I will also add that I went to Uni on Plymouth, as did my eldest, and he now has a house not that far from where the victim's body was dumped...)
 

maximus otter

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Barry George? Colin Stagg? The two separate 'Cardiff Threes'? There are others.

Maybe don't meet your exact definition of 'fitting up'.

I'm not suggesting this is normal practice. But it happens.

Barry George was not “fitted up”.

Colin Stagg? Debatably overzealous attempts to get a suspect to confess by using an undercover officer to fake a romantic attachment to him.

One “Cardiff Three” was based on a confession by one of the gang; hardly “planting evidence”.

The other - 34 years ago - I’ll concede.

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Cochise

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I really don't want to prolong the debate on 'fitting up' because it wasn't central to the point I was trying - and failing - to make.

Barry George was convicted on one piece of 'concrete' evidence - firearms residue found a year later. How that came to be there was subsequently one of the reasons his appeal was successful.

The Cardiff three 'confession' - well, it was worthless wasn't it? How it was acquired - whether the person had a compulsive need to confess - hardly unknown - or something else happened we'll never know. But it clearly wasn't checked out properly.

I'm not intending a witch-hunt against the Police, then or now. Mistakes are made, sometimes bad apples occur. It's not just the Police that have difficulty with admitting the mistakes that arise in the course of duty. In pretty much all walks of life the mistakes get remembered and picked over more than the successes, and the PTB's resent that.

However I'm hardly alone in thinking (and hoping) that certain attitudes of policing from decades ago needed to (and have?) changed.

Unfortunately other changes that have happened to the Police Force in parallel cause me seriously to debate whether in general we were better off with the old or the new model.

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brownmane

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When I was still at school, a female friend of mine used to say that if she was ever murdered, the press would report that she had a macabre fascination with serial killers, as she had a few books on them - and this was over 30 years ago. My cyber-friend in the US likes nothing better than true crime TV. There have always been people interested in serial killers, some of them very unlikely, but most of them don't then go out and do what this particular scumbag did. So I can see this discussion from both sides. (I will also add that I went to Uni on Plymouth, as did my eldest, and he now has a house not that far from where the victim's body was dumped...)
I kind of agree with this. I think the headline about fascination/obsession with serial killers is to grab readers’ attention. Even if the person said he had an obsession with serial killers, I wonder if a “chicken and egg” situation is more what it is. This person has, to my minimal knowledge, not had any professional assessment. So my question (though I think it unnecessary) is, was he first obsessed with serial killers and subsequently imitated them because of this, or did he have murderous ideations and thoughts that led to him reading up on murderers and using their methods to successfully complete a killing? Unless this person is very self aware, I doubt even he knows.

It kind of reminds me about all the hype that is brought up around people who have committed violent crimes and then, upon further investigation to the crime, it being found that the person played violent video games. I play violent video games and read and watch horror. I even occasionally have a chuckle over a spectacular kill. I have very dark sense of humour. Do I have any murderous intent? No.
 

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Hold tight. My crew's recently interviewed online Nicholas Claux, a convicted killer, grave robber, cannibal and blood drinker who was given the nickname 'The Vampire of Paris' .. he doesn't like that nickname but for some reason he prefers 'the cannibal killer'. This video is fresh up tonight, I was asked to do this interview but I wasn't comfortable with glorifying his crimes plus we decided that Roseanna, a self confessed flirt would probably be able to get more details from him. We normally only do ghost invest videos so this is new to us. Our next one might be talking to a genuine ex curate who's been involved in exorcisms who I had breakfast with the other day so I'm looking forward to talking to and filming him from his Christian faith perspective. Anyway, this Nico interview shouldn't be played in front on children. The French police feel he's a serial killer but they weren't able to prove it. I don't want to spam the board with a link to our channel but if anyone want's a link to it then send me a pm ..

 
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James_H

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Hold tight. My crew's recently interviewed online Nicholas Claux, a convicted killer, grave robber, cannibal and blood drinker who was given the nickname 'The Vampire of Paris' .. he doesn't like that nickname but for some reason he prefers 'the cannibal killer'. This video is fresh up tonight, I was asked to do this interview but I wasn't comfortable with glorifying his crimes plus we decided that Roseanna, a self confessed flirt would probably be able to get more details from him. We normally only do ghost invest videos so this is new to us. Our next one might be talking to a genuine ex curate who's been involved in exorcisms who I had breakfast with the other day so I'm looking forward to talking to and filming him from his Christian faith perspective. Anyway, this Nico interview shouldn't be played in front on children. The French police feel he's a serial killer but they weren't able to prove it. I don't want to spam the board with a link to our channel but if anyone want's a ink to it then send me a pm ..

There's a blast from the past, I remember his personal website from about 20 years ago on the internet.
 

Swifty

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There's a blast from the past, I remember his personal website from about 20 years ago on the internet.
I didn't know he had one James? .. can you remember what it was called so I can look for it with wayback machine please?
 

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I kind of agree with this. I think the headline about fascination/obsession with serial killers is to grab readers’ attention. Even if the person said he had an obsession with serial killers, I wonder if a “chicken and egg” situation is more what it is. This person has, to my minimal knowledge, not had any professional assessment. So my question (though I think it unnecessary) is, was he first obsessed with serial killers and subsequently imitated them because of this, or did he have murderous ideations and thoughts that led to him reading up on murderers and using their methods to successfully complete a killing? Unless this person is very self aware, I doubt even he knows.

It kind of reminds me about all the hype that is brought up around people who have committed violent crimes and then, upon further investigation to the crime, it being found that the person played violent video games. I play violent video games and read and watch horror. I even occasionally have a chuckle over a spectacular kill. I have very dark sense of humour. Do I have any murderous intent? No.
Didn't Stephen King make this point many years ago? IIRC he said something to the effect that if a man is seen reading a horror novel just before murdereing a few people the effect of horror fiction on people will be all over the media; but if he was reading Jane Austen, well that couldn't possibly have anything to do with his actions.
 

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Klutuk, the Mad Trapper of Bristol Bay


During the first decades of the 20th century, a murderous trapper haunted the upper watersheds draining into Bristol Bay and the Kuskokwim River [ in Alaska]. His life, identity, and even death are shrouded in mystery. Newspapers claimed he was Yup’ik, and that he murdered an unknown number of people—mostly trappers and prospectors that crowded his vast territory. He was called Klutuk, named after a small tributary of the Nushagak River where one of his camps was located. The Kusko Times reported in 1931 that Klutuk “was born in the Nushagak River district about 38 years ago. He first became notorious in 1919, when it is said his career of crime started by killing two natives and announcing he would kill two more. Subsequent events indicated that he did not stop at that. From that time until his death he had the entire upper Nushagak district under his control.”

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Some accounts claimed Klutuk was a giant. Others that he was small man. Some said he was more than a man. He was allegedly heard saying he viewed killing a person as no different than shooting a moose. His only companion was a small black dog. The Kusko Times wrote that it was believed he’d murdered 20 or more people and that, “Through some system unknown to the whites, he kept himself constantly in touch with what was going on throughout the district. He seemed to know when any man entered his territory and he resented all such intrusions. Disdaining to use the weapons known to civilization for his own needs, he shot his game with bow and arrow; but he packed a .30-30 rifle for his human prey.”

Territorial marshals, deputies, and friends of the murdered and disappeared began a manhunt. The search spanned thousands of square miles and lasted for years. In 1929 the Wrangell Sentinel and Kusko Times reported that Klutuk had been killed, but they didn’t give much evidence. Locals from Dillingham hinted that justice had been served but didn’t offer any details other than that no one had been murdered in the Nushagak district that winter. Sightings of Klutuk soon began being reported again. In the summer of 1931, a deputy United States marshal named Stanley Nichols reported finding a corpse in a cabin near the headwaters of the Mulchatna River that he thought was Klutuk. Nichols, no doubt under significant pressure to close the case on the mad trapper and help open the region to development, said “Klutuk” appeared to have died from natural causes. Many believed Nichol’s report was purposely falsified. But according to the authorities, Klutuk was officially dead. Newspapers across Alaska celebrated.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/survival/klutuk-the-mad-trapper-of-bristol-bay/

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Matt

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Something doesn't ring true about Nicolas Claux. During his trial there was no mention of grave robbery, necrophilia, vampirism or cannibalism.

He served 7 years and four months of a 12 year sentence for murdering a man and trying to buy a video camera with his forged driving licence.

Psychiatrists diagnosed him with schizophrenia and personality disorder.

When he was released from prison he set up a website to promote his artwork of serial killers. And that's when he starting telling stories of his alleged crimes. As usual the media lapped it up. He started getting booked on TV shows where he became a minor celebrity.

He's most likely just a fantasist.
 

Lord Lucan

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Hold tight. My crew's recently interviewed online Nicholas Claux, a convicted killer, grave robber, cannibal and blood drinker who was given the nickname 'The Vampire of Paris' .. he doesn't like that nickname but for some reason he prefers 'the cannibal killer'. This video is fresh up tonight, I was asked to do this interview but I wasn't comfortable with glorifying his crimes plus we decided that Roseanna, a self confessed flirt would probably be able to get more details from him. We normally only do ghost invest videos so this is new to us. Our next one might be talking to a genuine ex curate who's been involved in exorcisms who I had breakfast with the other day so I'm looking forward to talking to and filming him from his Christian faith perspective. Anyway, this Nico interview shouldn't be played in front on children. The French police feel he's a serial killer but they weren't able to prove it. I don't want to spam the board with a link to our channel but if anyone want's a link to it then send me a pm ..


He now has a website selling his artwork & true crime memorabilia.
 

Swifty

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He now has a website selling his artwork & true crime memorabilia.
Yep, he has .. which was partly why I turned down talking with him. Roseanna did the interview video instead because we also felt he'd feel more comfortable with a woman interviewer although bothering women on any level is one thing he's never been accused of. I'll try and find the name of but there's a condition that draws some people to drinking blood. I think it's called Necrophacia without looking it up? .. he's into that instead. His only request was that we didn't call the vid The Vampire Of Paris (he's still pissed off that the French media invented that term but for some reason he didn't mind being called The Cannibal Killer .. a stereotype narcissist ..

I suppose selling his own crap is his only option nowadays .. no one's going to want to hire him now.
 

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Yep, he has .. which was partly why I turned down talking with him. Roseanna did the interview video instead because we also felt he'd feel more comfortable with a woman interviewer although bothering women on any level is one thing he's never been accused of. I'll try and find the name of but there's a condition that draws some people to drinking blood. I think it's called Necrophacia without looking it up? .. he's into that instead. His only request was that we didn't call the vid The Vampire Of Paris (he's still pissed off that the French media invented that term but for some reason he didn't mind being called The Cannibal Killer .. a stereotype narcissist ..

I suppose selling his own crap is his only option nowadays .. no one's going to want to hire him now.
I don't believe he'd want to work for anyone but himself. He can "create" and work as he wisshes. Not to what someone else dictates.

Renfeild's Syndrome: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_vampirism
 

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Cottingham charged with another murder.

A serial killer has been accused of killing a woman whose body was found in the car park of a shopping centre on New York’s Long Island over 50 years ago.

Richard Cottingham was charged on Wednesday in connection with Diane Cusick’s death in 1968. From a hospital bed in New Jersey, where he is already serving a life sentence for 11 other killings, he pleaded not guilty.

While he has claimed he was responsible for up to 100 murders, authorities in New York and New Jersey have officially linked him to only a dozen so far, including Cusick’s death.

He has been imprisoned since 1980, when he was arrested after a motel maid heard a woman screaming inside his room. Authorities found her alive but bound with handcuffs and suffering from bite marks and knife wounds.

Cottingham asked to be arraigned on Wednesday by video feed from the New Jersey hospital because he was in poor health, bedridden and not ambulatory, judge Caryn Fink said.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40901912.html
 
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