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Is anyone else unconvinced by the 'snakes represent paganism' and 'dragons represent paganism' claim? I've been reading it in books of popular folklore (and in other books) since I could read, but haven't seen any convincing evidence backing the claim. It has the appeal of portraying Christian missionary saints, and Christianity on the whole, as an overbearing invader that banished all the old magic from the world, a notion which I'm sure is attractive to folklorists. But is there any actual evidence that there is a connection? Isn't it enough that those figures credited with introducing Christianity and converting our populations were already known to have done just that, and any serpent-banishing and dragon-slaying is just aggrandizement? Is John Lambton ever credited with having banished paganism from County Durham? Just musing, really.
Can't say on that but the story of St P using the Shamrock to explain the Trinity is :BS:

Irish Pagans were familiar with the concept of the Trinity through the Threefold Morrgan.

Morrigú! Morrigú! Morrigú!
 

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Is anyone else unconvinced by the 'snakes represent paganism' and 'dragons represent paganism' claim? I've been reading it in books of popular folklore (and in other books) since I could read, but haven't seen any convincing evidence backing the claim.
The link is probably the Serpent in the OT Garden of Eden, the opponent of God. A good symbol for pagans, who also reject God.
 

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Snakes were also the bad guys in some forms of 'paganism'. Our word python comes from a nasty serpent killed by Apollo. Typhon was another snakey/dragony monster, and let's not forget Medusa, the ultimate snake-knacker.
 

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This sort of reinforces the point. There have always been tales of heroes slaying serpents/dragons since long before Christianity. It seems to me the saints who slew or tamed such monsters were simply inheriting a narrative from pagan heroes. There is a tradition of dragons guarding ancient sites, such as python, but that doesn't mean the expulsion of a dragon is a mythical representation of the defeat of paganism in a given location. Often cited is the fact many churches are built on sites of pagan worship, and a few have dragon legends associated with them. But that prominent sites will attract legends and places of worship through the generations hardly needs explaining. In medieval Christianity, dragons and serpents represented the devil, certainly, but I'm no more convinced by that that stories of dragon-slaying are supposed to be some coded way of saying, 'this saintly figure banished paganism!'

I've been reading the idea my whole life, and at first thought, oh yeah, of course, as though it should be self evident. Thereafter I've just accepted it. Now I'm asking, where's the proof? Why are these not just stories transferred from one hero to another, from ancient times, with no more appeal to our medieval ancestors than the familiarity of the story and some vague association of draconic beasts with Satan?
 
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THE COMMON PERCEPTION is that there are no snakes in Ireland. St Patrick or an Ice Age saw to that, depending upon who you talk to.

Try telling that to a homeowner in Glasnevin, Dublin, who encountered this little fella recently:

By ‘encountered’ we mean the snake fell out of a hole in the man’s ceiling and onto his head while he stood on a ladder, and by ‘little’ we mean ‘huge’ – the animal is five feet long.

Fortunately, it isn’t poisonous. It’s a Rat Snake, and the DSPCA believe it was probably kept by the house’s previous tenants as a pet.

http://www.thejournal.ie/snake-dspca-2674027-Mar2016/?utm_source=shortlink
 
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Poor dog!

A couple driving home after buying a new car had to pull over after finding a 5ft-long snake inside.

The man and woman became aware something was wrong when their pet dog, who was in the back of the vehicle, became "distressed", police said.

When the couple investigated, they saw the snake had wrapped itself around one of the dog's legs.

They later continued their journey home with the snake still inside the car after attempts to recover it failed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-37796436
 

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THE COMMON PERCEPTION is that there are no snakes in Ireland. St Patrick or an Ice Age saw to that, depending upon who you talk to.

Try telling that to a homeowner in Glasnevin, Dublin, who encountered this little fella recently:

By ‘encountered’ we mean the snake fell out of a hole in the man’s ceiling and onto his head while he stood on a ladder, and by ‘little’ we mean ‘huge’ – the animal is five feet long.
That reminds me of The Brudenell Road Python except in that case, as far as I know, the alleged serpent was never found, in fact history seems to have forgot that tale, as the only thing that turns up on google for it is that thread.
 

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Deadly green mamba snake found in Aberdeen boat
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One of the world's most deadly snakes has been discovered on a boat at Aberdeen Harbour.

The green mamba was found on a ship that had docked on Wednesday from west Africa.

It is understood workers on the vessel put the snake into a box before calling animal welfare experts.

A police escort was used to transport the animal to a Scottish SPCA animal centre in Drumoak. However, the snake was later euthanised.

The SSPCA said the nearest anti-venom was held in London and that the snake was destroyed amid health and safety concerns.

The western green mamba feeds on small animals and rodents and is mainly found in the coastal tropical rainforests of western Africa.

Experts say its bite can be fatal in as little as 30 minutes.
 

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It turns out that the Green Mamba was a harmless tree snake.

Complaint over Scottish SPCA snake death investigated
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Image captionThe snake was thought to be a green mamba
A complaint about the Scottish SPCA putting what was thought to be one of the world's most deadly snakes to sleep is being investigated by police.

The suspected green mamba was found on a ship that had docked in Aberdeen from west Africa last month.

The snake died after it was placed in a freezer by the animal charity after attempts to rehome it with specialist reptile keepers failed.

The snake was later identified as a harmless green tree snake.

Police Scotland said a complaint was under consideration.

Scottish SPCA Ch Supt Mike Flynn said: "We were called out after a green snake arrived in Aberdeen on a boat from Africa.

"The snake was thought to be a green mamba, one of the deadliest snakes in the world. The snake was taken by police escort to our Aberdeenshire animal rescue and rehoming centre.

"Sadly the snake, which staff genuinely believed to be a green mamba, had to be put to sleep after our attempts to rehome it to specialist reptile keepers were unsuccessful."

'Safety paramount'
He added: "We could not keep the snake in our centre due to severe health and safety concerns, as the closest anti-venom is held in Bedford. Green mambas also require a Dangerous Wild Animal Licence which the society does not have.

"The safety of our staff and the public is paramount and as such the snake was placed in a freezer where it passed away.

"The Scottish SPCA is proud of its policy not put healthy animals to sleep. Animals are only put to sleep on veterinary advice if they are too ill or too aggressive to be rehomed, or where we are legally required to do so.

"The decision to euthanise the snake was not taken lightly. Unfortunately, the snake has since been identified as a harmless green tree snake. This has been an honest mistake on the society's part as we genuinely believed this was an extremely deadly snake."

The western green mamba feeds on small animals and rodents and is mainly found in the coastal tropical rainforests of western Africa.

Experts say its bite can be fatal in as little as 30 minutes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-38249621
 

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This one was a bit luckier
SCHOOL JANITOR THOUGHT SNAKE ‘WAS A JOKE’
By Scott Lorimer,9 Dec 2016 12.26pm

A janitor was given a shock after coming across a snake near his primary school.

Animal charity the Scottish SPCA is now looking to reunite the reptile with its owner.

The corn snake was found on Beech Wood in Arbroath just before the school day started on Thursday.

Pupils at Timmergreens Primary were said to have been ‘excited’ after coming across the reptile on their way to school.

The snake was quickly collected by the janitor before being taken inside to be warmed up.

Scottish SPCA animal rescue officer Sharon McKenzie, who was dispatched to the scene to collect the snake, said the school worker got a bit of a fright when he came across the animal.


She said: “I was called out to the school by the groundskeeper to pick up the corn snake. He had been alerted by some children who found it in the playground on their way into school.

“He originally thought it was a joke and got a bit a shock when he realised it was a real snake.

“The snake is now safely at our Peterden centre, anyone with any information should contact our animal helpline on 03000 999 999.”

Staff are now looking to find the owner of the snake, who suffered slight injuries after an encounter with another animal, to take him home.

Peterden centre manager Dale Christie said: “We haven’t probed the snake so we are unsure if it is male or female, but we have named it Isabell.

“She came into us with a few puncture wounds so we think she may have been attacked by another animal.

“Isabell doesn’t mind being handled but is a little scared after her incident, which is understandable.”
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/school-janitor-thought-snake-joke/
 

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I am absolutely terrified of snakes for reasons I can't really explain.

Every time I am flicking through the TV channels and accidentally flick through the HD Discovery of Nat Geo animal channels there always seem to be a snake program on causing me to jump out of my skin and tip tea / coffee / beer all over myself.

It is the only drawback I can find from having a big LED TV

Seeing a king cobra about to attack in HD on 40" screen in my lounge is the stuff of nightmares.
 

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An unwelcome addition to a Christmas tree in Australia:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-38337823

:eek: I've heard from people who've lived in the tropics that that they had to take care to always keep patio doors closed in order to prevent this sort of thing. One friend who used to live in the leafy outskirts of Kuala Lumpur said it wasn't unusual to spot the occasional python in the back garden. She said the pythons weren't a great concern because they aren't poisonous and are supposedly non-confrontational. She was more worried about the venomous snakes. I could see her point but I don't think I would be quite so casual about the pythons.
 

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No criminal action over Scottish SPCA snake death
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No criminal action will be taken after the Scottish SPCA killed what was thought to be one of the world's most deadly snakes.

The suspected green mamba was found on a ship that had docked in Aberdeen from west Africa in November.

The snake died after it was placed in a freezer by the animal charity. It was later identified as a harmless snake.

Police Scotland received a complaint, but it has now been decided that no further action will be taken.

The snake - which turned out to be a green tree snake - was put in a freezer after attempts to rehome it with specialist reptile keepers failed.

Primary consideration
The Scottish SPCA said staff had genuinely believed it was a green mamba, and safety had to be paramount.

The group Animal Concern contacted Police Scotland after receiving complaints from members of the public.

Animal Concern's John Robins has now received an email from Police Scotland explaining that the matter would not be taken further.

It stated: "The decisions made and actions taken at the time were done with their primary consideration being public safety.

"The chief inspector from Scottish SPCA took the decision using the information she had at the time which pointed to the fact this was a deadly green mamba.

"With this in mind the decision has been made that there will be no criminal proceedings in relation to this incident."

'Review of procedures'
Mr Robins said: "We were surprised about the case. A review of procedures would be positive."

The western green mamba feeds on small animals and rodents and is mainly found in the coastal tropical rainforests of western Africa.

Experts say its bite can be fatal in as little as 30 minutes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-38459772
 

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Is anyone else unconvinced by the 'snakes represent paganism' and 'dragons represent paganism' claim? I've been reading it in books of popular folklore (and in other books) since I could read, but haven't seen any convincing evidence backing the claim. It has the appeal of portraying Christian missionary saints, and Christianity on the whole, as an overbearing invader that banished all the old magic from the world, a notion which I'm sure is attractive to folklorists. But is there any actual evidence that there is a connection? Isn't it enough that those figures credited with introducing Christianity and converting our populations were already known to have done just that, and any serpent-banishing and dragon-slaying is just aggrandizement? Is John Lambton ever credited with having banished paganism from County Durham? Just musing, really.

Banishing paganism from County Durham?

Hadaway man!
 

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Red-bellied black snake slithers from bonnet during SA highway drive

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A South Australian driver was shocked by a red-bellied black snake that popped up from their bonnet during a drive from Adelaide. (Mundoo Island Station)
"He stayed with us all the way and could not be coaxed out of the engine well.

"I have left my car in the middle of a paddock and hope that he finds his way out tonight.

"Petrified would sum up my nervous state for the hour I had to drive."

The quick-thinking driver also shut her car's vents and set the air-conditioning to recirculate in an attempt to block the snake from entering the inside of the car, she wrote on Facebook.

The snake was still inside the car about noon today, she added.

Video of the encounter has been viewed more than 47,000 times over the past 18 hours.

© Nine Digital Pty Ltd 2017


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...t-during-sa-highway-drive#oySByhPbZdDmgj7I.99
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-slithers-from-bonnet-during-sa-highway-drive
 
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This woman got a snake stuck in her earlobe


A woman from the US state of Oregon managed to get her pet python stuck in her earlobe.

Ashley Glawe posted a picture of herself in hospital on Facebook.

She wrote: "BY FAR one of my #CRAZIEST life moments! Went to the #EmergencyRoom because my #BallPython #Python #Snake decided to get #STUCK in my #Gauged earlobe!"

She posted to say she was holding the snake, called Bart, when it slithered through a hole in her ear.

"It all happened SO fast that before I even knew what was going on it was already too late..." ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38827122/this-woman-got-a-snake-stuck-in-her-earlobe
 

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This woman got a snake stuck in her earlobe


A woman from the US state of Oregon managed to get her pet python stuck in her earlobe.

Ashley Glawe posted a picture of herself in hospital on Facebook.

She wrote: "BY FAR one of my #CRAZIEST life moments! Went to the #EmergencyRoom because my #BallPython #Python #Snake decided to get #STUCK in my #Gauged earlobe!"

She posted to say she was holding the snake, called Bart, when it slithered through a hole in her ear.

"It all happened SO fast that before I even knew what was going on it was already too late..." ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38827122/this-woman-got-a-snake-stuck-in-her-earlobe
Bloody hell .. you wait for one snake through the ear story and then two come along at once ... because hasn't a forum member here recently posted about the same thing just happening to them ?
 
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