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Soesterberg Airbase Sighting (Netherlands; 1979)

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(This discussion was spun off from the Rendlesham Forest thread)

... the whole Rendlesham Forrest incident is almost exact the same story of the UFO of Soesterberg Airbase. ( The Netherlands ).
On the 3rd of February 1979 in the early morning a group of 12 militairy police saw a triangle object hovering at the airbase. Their accounts and reports were almost the same of their British partners years later.


Bram Roza ( dutch documentary maker ) will bring out a full documentary about the incident.
 
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Not heard of that one before - I can't find many references in English other than in a book by Salas (of Malmstrom AFB fame). His source seems to be the following account, now only available via archive.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160403060123/www.ufowijzer.nl/tekstpagina/Soesterberg.html
Translates ok through Google.

Here's the Google translation of the archived webpage ...

SOURCE:
UFO BOVEN VLIEGBASIS SOESTERBERG
Is er mogelijk een vergelijking met de latere Belgische gevallen?

https://web.archive.org/web/20160403060123/www.ufowijzer.nl/tekstpagina/Soesterberg.html


UFO OVER FLY BASE SOESTERBERG
Is there possibly a comparison with the later Belgian cases?


I received the following UFO incident from a loyal visitor to UFOwijzer and he wondered whether a comparison can be made with the later Belgian observations of triangles. The matches are shown in bold/italics in this article.

Soesterberg, February 3, 1979
The report of this UFO sighting over Soesterberg Air Base in the morning of Saturday 3 February 1979 was further investigated by three members of the NOBOVO working group, including Dr. W. de Graaff, who works at the Astronomical Institute in Utrecht, and advisor to NOBOVO. It turned out that there were two different flights of lights above the base, which flights were observed by a total of five different posts spread over the site of the base, each manned by two or more soldiers.

The phenomenon was first seen at a quarter to six and lasted a total of five to six minutes. It was seen successively by Post A to the west, Post B to the northeast, Post C to the north, Post D to the northwest, and Post E to the southwest of the base. The mutual distance between the posts was 1 to 3 kilometers.

First pass sighting
Post A reported at 5:45 am sharp that she saw three bright white lights shining over an open strip of ground to the east. The two outer lights were about the same height above the ground; the third light, midway between the other two, was slightly higher. The bright beams emanating from the lights, directed downwards, converged on the ground. The lights approached slowly and after a few minutes came right over the post, with the observers drifting into the beams for a few moments. During the passage, a fourth red light, larger than the white lights, was found in the center behind the white lights, emitting a beam directed straight down. Immediately after the passage, the lights behind the trees disappeared from view.

Post B saw the lights in the south, near the open strip, almost immediately after the first radio report from Post A. The estimated height relative to the horizon was 10 to 15 degrees. It was clear to see that the obliquely downward beams illuminated the ground. Since the field of view was small, the lights were only visible for a few moments. Combining both observations, which apparently related to the same phenomenon, results in a flight altitude of 150 to 200 meters and an average speed of 50 to 100 km per hour. The passage has only been observed through stations A and B.

Second pass observation
Post C at one point saw the lights pass between the trees from very close range for a few seconds. The time was too short for a clear observation and especially these people were very impressed by what they saw.

Post D was initially unable to see anything after the first report from Post A (it turned out afterwards that they had not been able to see the passage due to the existing afforestation). After the later reports from Posts A and B, they looked again and saw the lights approaching from the direction of Post C in the northeast. Post D also first saw three large spheres. The middle one a little higher than the others, which emitted a bright white light. Surrounded by a prominent black border, the spheres initially radiated straight toward the observers. Although the beams were bright, it was possible to look into them without glare, unlike with car or airplane headlights.

The lights made a slight curve and passed the observers on the right at a distance of about 100 meters and a height of about 50 meters (estimates from further runway analysis). The 'reddish taillight' also became visible, with the beam pointing straight down, the edge of which passed the observers at a few tens of meters. Then the lights disappeared low above the ground in a southerly direction, the beams clearly illuminating the ground as they passed. At one point the lights could be seen even lower than the lanterns at the back of the field, so they must have been just above the ground. After the lights approached station E, a flash of light was seen; the white lights flickered out and the red light disappeared into the clouds with increasing speed through a right-hand bend. All in all, station D was able to follow the lights for a distance of 2 to 2½ km.

Finally, Post E saw the lights over the treetops coming straight for him from the north. They too saw the flash of light. After the lights went out, the red light disappeared with great speed in a westerly direction.

Due to its position, Post B was unable to observe the second passage. Post A would have been able to do that from its original position, but the observers involved had gone into the woods after the lights went out at the passage to see if they could see them further up.

soesterberg.jpg

Further details
Shape: all observations, taking into account the direction from which the lights are seen, seem to correspond to an arrangement of three white lights and one red light in the shape of a somewhat blunt kite. The white lights were at the ends of the 'crossbar' and at the top tip of the 'kite', while the red light was at the bottom tip. Dark outlines connecting the white lights have been seen by some observers, while behind the triangle thus formed is a dark rectangle, the red light of which was at the back.

The lights themselves must have had a diameter of several metres, with the red light being larger than the white lights. The distance between the two outer white lights was estimated to be over 50 meters.

The white lights seemed encased or surrounded by a clearly visible dark border, and their skewed beams converged in the air or on the ground. The red 'taillight' beamed straight down.

Movement: On the first pass, the lights must have moved from east to west for a distance of approximately 3 km above the base at an average speed of 50 to 100 km per hour. On the second pass, the lights approached from the northeast, soon made a slight curve more to the south, then after the white lights went out on reaching the southwest rim of the base, the red light turned steeply into westward disappeared.

Although the lights must have flown at varying speeds (sometimes they appeared to be stationary), this distance of about 3 km must also have been covered at a comparable average speed as the first time.

Sound: None of the posts heard any sound, at least no significant sound, while approaching and passing the lights. After passing, all stations, except station C (diffused by the own engine noise of the own vehicle), heard a very soft buzzing sound. The observers from station D entered shortly after passing and disappearing of the lights; the other stations still heard this noise about an hour after the sighting.

Radar: No unusual phenomenon was recorded on the base's radar during either pass. Radar posts in the area have also detected nothing unusual. (Now we know from a number of witnesses in the Disclosure Project that when asked whether something special was observed on the radar, the standard answer is: "No, we have not seen anything special." That would also be true for a Dutch military base. are the standard rule. But it regularly turns out that UFOs, for whatever reason, are indeed not visible on the radar.

Weather: the ground temperature at the time of the observations was about -1 degree Celsius. The humidity was 77% and there was a wind blowing at a speed of about 10 miles per hour from the northwest. It was completely cloudy (no stars, no moon) with a visibility of about 25 km. The base of the cloud cover was at about 1500 meters and temperature inversions occurred at altitudes of about 250 and about 2000 meters.

Analysis of the notifications
A comparison of all reports shows that that morning the area of Soesterberg airbase must have been visited twice by a system of lights. From the reported similarities between the two light systems and from the fact that the two passages took place shortly after each other, one gets the impression that both cases involved the same system of lights, although this cannot be stated with absolute certainty (in this context it is reminded that none of the five posts has seen both passages).

An initial response from the Air Force talked about the possibility that the observers saw REFLECTION OF CAR HEADLIGHTS against the reflective layers of air that occur during inversions. However, this statement seems to contradict the statement of the various posts that they saw the lights go almost straight over them and were in the light beams. At the beginning of the flight period, post A and post B saw the lights simultaneously in nearly perpendicular directions (eastern and southern respectively), which seems difficult to explain in the case of reflections. Also the statement from station D that the lights were at one point lower than objects visible behind them on the other side of the field over which they were moving, seems to contradict this statement.

The observers concerned are very firm in their statement that it cannot have been a known or normal type of AIRCRAFT OR HELICOPTER which caused the phenomena. The lights looked very different than people are used to from such devices and that was also the case with the dark contours. The lack of overflight noise and of radar sightings (while, according to base spokesmen, the radar would certainly have registered a normal aircraft following these runways) seems to support this statement by the observers.

The general circumstances under which the observations must have taken place and the way in which the observers reacted to them (in some cases fearful, in other cases resistance to talking about them for fear of being ridiculed) suggest the possibility that this was a JOKE SCENE. was going to rule out. Also, the likelihood of COLLECTIVE GLASSES seems negligible because the observers were in different posts and their reports nevertheless provided a surprisingly coherent picture, although there was no contact between them during the second pass.

In view of the nature of the descriptions, this seems to be a TECHNICAL PHENOMENON rather than a natural or psychological phenomenon. For the time being, it remains unclear what kind of technical phenomenon this could be. It is noted by the airbase's official position that the matter is considered closed and further responses to it will be referred to the NOBOVO Working Group.

Conclusion
"On the basis of the currently available data, it must be established that the Soesterberg base was visited on February 3, 1979 by an unknown, airborne system of lights, and that this is therefore a clear UFO report."

So much for the very extensive report of the Working Group NOBOVO, which was drawn up as a result of the observation. The members of this working group were authorized by the authorities to speak with the witnesses and investigate the matter at the airport itself. The NOBOVO is therefore of the opinion that the observation cannot be explained at the moment.

Hans van Kampen, however, is not. He also investigated the case and came to an entirely different conclusion, namely that the witnesses saw an airplane flying over.

Note ufo pointer
This is a very remarkable conclusion of one of Dutch well-known ufologists, Hans van Kampen. Is it really that hard to admit that things are flying through the skies that are absolutely not attributable to terrestrial aircraft? It doesn't necessarily have to be extraterrestrial, but at least you could admit that it is inexplicable and a lot of details, also from the above observation, do indicate that. Why Hans van Kampen suddenly visits the camp of the skeptics is a mystery to me. I will not fully reproduce the radio interview below between the well-known Chriet Titulaer (discussion leader), Hans van Kampen and Willem Kuiper. It's an inimitable discussion, but I'll make some comments. Even the discussion leader, Chriet Titulaer, not exactly a UFO advocate, almost audibly raises eyebrows at Van Kampen's opinion and that seems to me a justified response.


A brief excerpt from the radio discussion follows on this remarkable disagreement:

Chriet Titulaer: 'Hans, what do you think is the explanation for Soesterberg?'

Hans van Kampen: 'A German business jet that flew over the field.'

ch. T.: "Without sound?"

H.v.K.: "Without sound. This is possible under certain atmospheric conditions, at a fairly high altitude.

ch. T.: "Didn't he just turn off the engine?

Willem Kuiper: 'I think this is a typical example of eh… I'm sorry Hans, I don't want to hurt you, but…

(Then buzz. Speakers talk at the same time)

The rest of the discussion is blaming each other and making irrelevant so-called technical remarks, at the end Chriet intervenes with the following remark:

ch. T.: "Gentlemen, I'm really cutting it off, aren't I?



The K.L.V. At the time, the staff pool 'De Vliegende Hollander' paid attention to the observation:

UFOs ABOVE SOESTERBERG
October 1979

On February 3 of this year at a quarter to six in the morning, Soesterberg was quite haunted. The five sentries around the field, each consisting of two men, didn't know what they saw when they saw what. Suddenly lights all around, disappearing and coming back again, over the trees, in between and even close to some of those posts. The strange phenomenon lasted for a total of five to six minutes, after which everything was back to normal. Except of course the LB soldiers who had observed the strange. UFOs was their first thought.

“Yes, UFOs,” says a research team from the NOBOVO working group. In the latest issue of the 'Magazine for Ufology' that this group publishes, she reports on the investigation she has launched into this appearance case. On more than six pages, these white and red orbs and beams are measured, which have been pulled over the base at calculated varying speeds of 50 to 100 km per hour. Sometimes they also seemed to stand still. The flight altitude must have been 150 to 200 meters. It wasn't airplanes, it wasn't helicopters, it wasn't car headlights, it wasn't a staged joke, it wasn't a collective delusion. “Given the nature of the descriptions, there seems to be a technical phenomenon here rather than a natural or psychological phenomenon. For the time being, it remains unclear what kind of technical phenomenon this could be," says NOBOVO in its report. Her conclusion is: “On the basis of the data currently available, it must be established that the Soesterberg base was visited on February 3, 1979 by an unknown, air-moving system of lights, and that this is therefore a clear UFO sighting. notification."

A conclusion that is not wrong. A technical phenomenon means that there has been something that has been created through technology by beings - whoever they are - and sent out by those beings on a mission. For example to Soesterberg. The working group expresses its gratitude to the basic personnel for the cooperation obtained in the investigation. “This acknowledgment does not imply that the Air Force or any member of its personnel would be liable for the above analysis or conclusions. These are of course the responsibility of the aforementioned researchers.” And we'll stop there.

The link to an article about the Belgian triangles: EUPENSE GARDIGANS OBSERVE BLACK TRIANGLES
(https://web.archive.org/web/2016030...owijzer.nl/tekstpagina/BelgischeUFOgolf1.html)



Update May 22, 2012
I (Paul Harmans - ufowijzer) received the following email from a loyal visitor of my website on May 12, 2012:

Dear Paul,

Something about this very important Soesterberg ufo case for the Netherlands (The Dutch Rendlesham Forest Case?).

I want to point you to the google video: OVNIS Triangulares Canadá, by Jaime Maussan. In this movie the same light configuration (ufo) can be seen as at the time in Soesterberg, but in Canada in 2011 !! namely the “blunt kite” with the red light at the end. (Although according to a number of observations the red light can detach and move from the carrier/triangle).

I thought this was bizarre and worth reporting this to you after about thirty years of intervening time of these reports! Something else about the "bad tongues" broadcast: in this an ex-air force soldier speaks, and shows that soldiers never talked about these kinds of things (this was secret!). Now it happens that this so-called ufo case was reported long and widely in the klu.staff magazine "De Vliegende Hollander"! Which, besides for Klu.staff, was also for sale in the magazine shops, yes, I believe it was even mentioned in the newspapers! (why so interesting by this ex-military??).



bad tongues - RTV Utrecht broadcast 11 Feb. 2012 about UFOs over Soesterberg

I heard from a colleague of mine (former air force dog guard), who was in military service at the time of the Belgian sightings, that he heard his colleagues talk about that something like this had also happened on Soesterberg (so there was spoken).

What I also find a pity is that the Soesterberg witnesses have never been publicized again, after the Belgian observations, what then. should be easily accessible in terms of being able to tell your story to someone (except of course the established media of today!) This in contrast to Rendlesham Forest/Belgian soldiers/gendarmes etc.

I also found a nice article on the UFO casebook about the flight characteristics of these triangles. If you click on http://www.ufocasebook.com/trianglescharacteristics.html you will find it. Perhaps this is another useful addition to your article?

Well, I just wanted to say this, until this post.

Finally, I want to wish you good luck with this very good ufowijzer site!

Regards,

Henk Philippa
 
Here's the brief record of the incident documented at NICAP:
Air Base Group Observes Object Over Flight Line
February 3, 1979
Soesterberg AFB in the Netherlands

Fran Ridge:
Feb. 3, 1979, Camp New Amsterdam, Netherlands
Night? An object with three very bright white lights and one red light flew at an altitude of 150 to 200 meters (about 500 to 650 feet) and an average speed of 50 to 100 kilometers per hour (about 30 to 60 miles per hour) over the flight line of the Soesterberg base. At times it was seen to emit a beam of light to the ground. The object did not make a sound and was seen by many airmen at the base. The object twice flew along the flight line before departing at a high rate of speed. This was the summary of an investigative report by three members of the working group NOBOVO, including Dr. W. deGraaff, who worked at the (Harmons) Astronomical Institute. (Unidentified: The UFO Phenomenon, 144, Robert Salas)

Robert Salas:
In 1979 the U.S. Air Force had an operational unit based at what they called Camp New Amsterdam. It was located at Soesterberg Air Force Base in the Netherlands, near the town of Soesterberg. This unit, the 32nd Tactical Fighter Squadron, was assigned a tactical combat mission in support of NATO. In early 1979, the squadron began using the F-15 fighter aircraft. Some models of the F-15 were capable of carrying a tactical nuclear weapon (B-61). Nuclear weapons were stored on the base.
SOURCE: http://www.nicap.org/790203netherlands_dir.htm
 
Great work. It makes you wonder how many other multiple-witness cases there are out there which haven't often made it into English language accounts, but which might be touted as 'classics' if they did.

I suppose the first thing is there do seem to be two potential explanations put forward - a mirage of car headlights (?) as briefly referenced in the documentary trailer, plus misidentification of a German aircraft, as apparently suggested by one ufologist. It would be interesting to know why and how these conclusions were reached (particularly if there was nothing on radar).

The comparison with the Belgian triangles is in one respect a bit misleading as clearly the object was perceived as kite shaped with a larger red light at the rear, a bit different to the canonical 'triangle' configuration. Having said that there is something slightly helicopter-like about the description and lighting (movable light in nose, two lights at the sides, a red light to the rear), a solution also suggested for many of the Belgium sightings. I wonder if the documentary has tracked down any of the original witnesses?
 
An article which among other details includes a bit more on the 'plane' identification, from a named witness this time;

https://revu.nl/artikel/450487/de-ufo-van-soesterberg

Small sports plane​

The February 3, 1979 incident was not the last UFO sighting at the airbase during the Cold War. The VPRO reconstruction talks about 'a comprehensive sighting' on 2 March by the Americans at Camp New Amsterdam. And then there's the remarkable story of Josie Zwinenberg around the same time. While riding in the afternoon she saw a huge UFO over the Leusderheide, a military training ground less than 4 kilometers from the air base.

We managed to track down one more witness: Sergeant De Groot, now 72 and retiring on the Belgian coast. Full of hope for new insights, we called De Groot for his story. And new insights we got, just not the kind we hoped for. According to De Groot, the event is still clearly in his mind, which makes it special that his story deviates enormously from the descriptions from the reconstruction. For example, according to De Groot, the UFO would have taken the form of a small sports aircraft, with one white light and two red lights on the wing tips. It also flew right over him so that he was able to observe the shape well. De Groot does agree with the claims that it flew very low and slowly and was very quiet.

confused impression​

Another contradiction is that De Groot believes he was not at the place where watch commander Van Vliet said he was, namely at the Soestduinen gate. De Groot was on the way back from a patrol at the Jessurun camp, but was near the main gate when he spotted the UFO. De Groot, who missed the afterthought after the repayment because he went home immediately, believes Van Vliet has never spoken about the incident. He was also not present at the reconstruction.

Although time does not make our memory more reliable, it can be said that De Groot did not appear confused or forgetful in the least. He had all the details ready. How the discrepancies arose will never be clear; watch commander Van Vliet has been dead for fourteen years now. Did De Groot see another object? We'll just stop there.
 
And a bit more info via a 2013 item on RTV Utrecht programme Kwaaie Tongen (including an interview with radar operator Jan van Esseveld, who seems to think the Americans might have been doing something involving lasers):

 
At the time of the incident, the unit at Soesterberg was the 32nd Tactical Fighter Squadron, known as the Wolfhounds.

32 TFS had, only the month before, completed their conversion from the F-4E to the F-15A fighter aircraft.


F-15-A.jpg

F-15A, 32nd TFS, June 1980

Dutch page (in English) with potted history & numerous pics of aircraft & crew.

In 1979, the F-15 Eagle had only been in service with the the USAF for three years, so examples in Europe would be of considerable interest to - ahem - “foreign powers”. I can’t, however, visualise how that interest could result in the scenario described above.

“[Soesterberg] formally closed on 31 December 2008, with the 298th and 300th Squadrons of the Royal Netherlands Air Force moving to Gilze-Rijen Air Base. However, a part of the base remains in use as a glider field. The former USAFE side remains in use by Dutch military ground units and is called "Camp New Amsterdam". The Nationaal Militair Museum opened at the former base in 2014 and utilizes most of the existing hangars.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soesterberg_Air_Base#USAF_departure

maximus otter
 
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I'm still inclined towards the black project hypothesis, but if this is a US device, why, as in the Belgian cases, was it flown over a foreign country? If it had been sighted by numerous witnesses, why didn't they put up interceptors to investigate? Unless the Dutch government were in the know and blocked what should be the normal response to an aerial incursion, of course. Compared with virtually all other reports of UFOs or UAPs, that feature fast-moving objects with incredible manoeuverability, these triangles spent most of their time moving dead slow and don't seem to be able to cloak their bright lights on the underside.
 
I'm still inclined towards the black project hypothesis, but if this is a US device, why, as in the Belgian cases, was it flown over a foreign country? If it had been sighted by numerous witnesses, why didn't they put up interceptors to investigate? Unless the Dutch government were in the know and blocked what should be the normal response to an aerial incursion, of course. Compared with virtually all other reports of UFOs or UAPs, that feature fast-moving objects with incredible manoeuverability, these triangles spent most of their time moving dead slow and don't seem to be able to cloak their bright lights on the underside.

It's possible there are a couple of ways of approaching this;

'Black project' wise I suppose that we're in the timeframe of important geopolitical events in Iran (along with Cash-Landrum and Rendlesham) so there is a small possibility, and I emphasise 'small', of stuff being moved around between bases or continents - hence the location.

Alternatively, why lit up like a Christmas tree? The explanation sometimes put about for the series of well documented intrusions of strange craft into various Northern Tier airbases (Loring, Wurtsmith etc) in 1975-6 was that some exercise was going on to test security responses. Maybe something like that was going on here.

On the other hand, maybe it was simply a private aircraft as suggested by some of the accounts above - might the pilot have attempted a landing at the military airfield out of confusion before realising their mistake? This was also the explanation put forward for one of the more compelling Condon Committee cases, the 1957 sighting at Kirtland air force base (although in that instance the two USAF tower operators, when later contacted by James McDonald, reiterated that no, they really had seen a weird egg shaped thing, not a plane).
 
The below is, apparently, the audio of the original 1979 radio programme "Expres VPRO", broadcast only a couple of months after the sighting, and which featured ten of the twelve original witnesses. Sadly I don't understand Dutch!

 
The comments under one of the few articles on this case (in Dutch) are quite interesting. As well as one from the former base press officer Jan Castenmiller - I believe he's the guy shown in the documentary trailer above - they include one purporting to be from a witness, Rob Jansen - the first of the base guards to report seeing the UFO. If it is him, he seems convinced it was a 'stealth' aircraft.

Another commenter mentions a case I'd never heard of which is apparently mentioned in this 1977 book. It is a sighting on Kalmthout Heath, Belgium on 1 July 1976 which was apparently of the canonical triangle of three white lights with an off-centre red light, as featured in the 1989 Belgian flap and at Soesterberg.
 
The comments under one of the few articles on this case (in Dutch) are quite interesting. As well as one from the former base press officer Jan Castenmiller - I believe he's the guy shown in the documentary trailer above - they include one purporting to be from a witness, Rob Jansen - the first of the base guards to report seeing the UFO. If it is him, he seems convinced it was a 'stealth' aircraft.

Another commenter mentions a case I'd never heard of which is apparently mentioned in this 1977 book. It is a sighting on Kalmthout Heath, Belgium on 1 July 1976 which was apparently of the canonical triangle of three white lights with an off-centre red light, as featured in the 1989 Belgian flap and at Soesterberg.
Sounds as if the triangles have been around quite a while. If the Bell propulsion system was still too unpredictable to use by the late 60s maybe that's when they decided to focus on the triangles?
 
I suppose there are a few ways of looking at it. I'm always fascinated to find triangles before the 1989 Belgian flap or Hudson Valley, as the general 'narrative' of ufology is that these flaps established the idea of big, slow moving triangular craft in the public consciousness.

Sceptics will note a white and red light arrangement is quite an easy way to misperceive a plane, or even helicopter, at night - an explanation put forward for both Soesterberg and the 1989 events. But maybe there are a few things going on.

- Perhaps this means that NATO / the US / whoever were testing a 'stealth' vehicle over the Low Countries, for whatever reason, for at least a decade (it's a pretty densely populated area, so I'm not sure why this would happen as opposed to flying it over the sea)

- Perhaps triangles featuring several white lights and one red formed part of the cultural imagery of UFOs in Belgium and Holland well before 1989, and this meant people were already primed to see them. You'd ideally have to find a few more sightings to confirm this, though.
 
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