Strange Deaths

[Cochise]

I own rifles in .223 (5.56mm) and .308 (7.62mm). I wouldn't care to stand behind a brick wall while someone fired them at said wall. Especially military style FMJ/ball.

maximus otter

I'm all right then. Two foot thick solid stone walls. Like living in a fridge, mind.

 

[Trevp666]

we passed an area of light woodland that had 3 teepees

Yeah well, the buffalo on the great plains don't hunt themselves you know!

 

[Floyd]

They built an estate in Crewe around mid 90s and the neighbour told me that they came with a ready-made wooden frame for the internal walls

Did anyone else envisage a Native American tribe turning up in Crewe to build a kind of wig-wam estate? Admittedly I was reading quickly but I suffered from a puzzling mental image for a while.

You've never been to Crewe have you?

 

[catseye]

You've never been to Crewe have you?

Sadly no.

 

[Floyd]

Sadly no.

If a native American tribe turned up, no one would blink an eye believe me.

 

[escargot]

If a native American tribe turned up, no one would blink an eye believe me.

Crewe is a multiracial, tolerant place. There are no areas where it's dangerous to walk alone at any hour and people are generally polite and humorous.

People from Crewe who've lived abroad for decades join Facebook groups to discuss council planning reports and the redevelopment of the town centre.
I read it and think 'You buggered off thirty years ago, why don't you stay buggered off?'

 

[Floyd]

Crewe is a multiracial, tolerant place. There are no areas where it's dangerous to walk alone at any hour and people are generally polite and humorous.

People from Crewe who've lived abroad for decades join Facebook groups to discuss council planning reports and the redevelopment of the town centre.
I read it and think 'You buggered off thirty years ago, why don't you stay buggered off?'

Agreed. I met some great people when there (apart from the ex).

 

[maximus otter]

Crewe is a multiracial, tolerant place. There are no areas where it's dangerous to walk alone at any hour and people are generally polite and humorous.

People from Crewe who've lived abroad for decades join Facebook groups to discuss council planning reports and the redevelopment of the town centre.
I read it and think 'You buggered off thirty years ago, why don't you stay buggered off?'

“Crewe is the second most dangerous major town in Cheshire, and is among the top 20 most dangerous overall out of Cheshire's 343 towns, villages, and cities. The overall crime rate in Crewe in 2020 was 95 crimes per 1,000 people. This compares poorly to Cheshire's overall crime rate, coming in 23% higher than the Cheshire rate of 73 per 1,000 residents.

For England, Wales, and Northern Ireland as a whole, Crewe is the 37th most dangerous major town…

December 2020 was…a bad month for Crewe residents, when it was Cheshire's most dangerous area for other crime, recording 17 crimes at a rate of 0.23 per 1,000 residents. Crewe recorded 36 reports of other theft during April 2020, making its crime rate of 0.48 the worst for other theft in Cheshire that month.

The most common crimes in Crewe are violence and sexual offences, with 3,379 offences during 2020, giving a crime rate of 45. This is 8% higher than 2019's figure of 3,120 offences…”

https://crimerate.co.uk/cheshire/crewe

maximus otter

 

[Floyd]

“Crewe is the second most dangerous major town in Cheshire, and is among the top 20 most dangerous overall out of Cheshire's 343 towns, villages, and cities. The overall crime rate in Crewe in 2020 was 95 crimes per 1,000 people. This compares poorly to Cheshire's overall crime rate, coming in 23% higher than the Cheshire rate of 73 per 1,000 residents.

For England, Wales, and Northern Ireland as a whole, Crewe is the 37th most dangerous major town…

December 2020 was…a bad month for Crewe residents, when it was Cheshire's most dangerous area for other crime, recording 17 crimes at a rate of 0.23 per 1,000 residents. Crewe recorded 36 reports of other theft during April 2020, making its crime rate of 0.48 the worst for other theft in Cheshire that month.

The most common crimes in Crewe are violence and sexual offences, with 3,379 offences during 2020, giving a crime rate of 45. This is 8% higher than 2019's figure of 3,120 offences…”

https://crimerate.co.uk/cheshire/crewe

maximus otter

Well I wasn't going to argue with her. You know what she's like!

 

[Trevp666]

You know what she's like!

Dangerous with a sharpened aubergine?

 

[hunck]

Woman dragged to her death after dog’s lead gets caught in train door​

Amy Adams, 41, was on the platform at San Francisco’s Powell Street station when she boarded the BART train on Monday afternoon.

Just as the doors were closing, she suddenly decided to get off and jumped back, reports say.

But her dog, who was attached to a lead around her waist, was left behind in the carriage.

The train then departed with the dog still inside, pulling its owner onto the tracks.

 

[escargot]

Woman dragged to her death after dog’s lead gets caught in train door​

Amy Adams, 41, was on the platform at San Francisco’s Powell Street station when she boarded the BART train on Monday afternoon.

The opposite happened in London in 2018, when the train doors closed on a passenger's dog's lead -

Dog died after ‘lead got trapped in train door dragging it into tunnel’

A disabled pensioner has described how her dog’s lead became trapped in a train’s doors, dragging him along the platform and to his death inside a tunnel.

Retired nurse Rose Barry boarded a train in Borehamwood, Hertfordshire, with eight-year-old Shih Tzu Jonty at 2.00pm on Friday.

The 75-year-old, who has back problems, claims the doors closed on his lead as she was still on the platform struggling to load her luggage and walker onto the St Pancras-bound service without any assistance.

This was her own fault. She could have booked assistance and would then have been helped onto the train, and it would not have left until she was safe. Railway staff are trained to do this.

 

[Floyd]

Dangerous with a sharpened aubergine?

Lethal.

 

[kamalktk]

Dead woman found naked and gagged with eerie message on wall as family fight for truth

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dead-woman-found-naked-gagged-24996519

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Rebecca Zahau's feet were tied tightly together. Her hands were bound behind her back. A gag had been shoved in her mouth and a blue t-shirt wrapped around her head.

A bizarre message had been scrawled in paint on a wall which read: "She saved him can you save her."

Complicated nautical knots had been made to tie a rope to some bedroom furniture and Rebecca was found dead, naked and hanging in the hallway of her mansion home in Coronado, California. She had also suffered a serious head injury.

To San Diego Police Department there was only one conclusion. She had killed herself.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Dead woman found naked and gagged with eerie message on wall as family fight for truth

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dead-woman-found-naked-gagged-24996519

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Rebecca Zahau's feet were tied tightly together. Her hands were bound behind her back. A gag had been shoved in her mouth and a blue t-shirt wrapped around her head.

A bizarre message had been scrawled in paint on a wall which read: "She saved him can you save her."

Complicated nautical knots had been made to tie a rope to some bedroom furniture and Rebecca was found dead, naked and hanging in the hallway of her mansion home in Coronado, California. She had also suffered a serious head injury.

To San Diego Police Department there was only one conclusion. She had killed herself.

Killed herself? With every bit of her tied up?
San Diego PD should be ashamed.

 

[Mikefule]

Dead woman found naked and gagged with eerie message on wall as family fight for truth

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dead-woman-found-naked-gagged-24996519

Complicated nautical knots had been made to tie a rope to some bedroom furniture ...

Lousy journalism. There are very few "complicated" nautical knots, and those few very specialised knots that actually are complicated would not be suitable for tying someone to the furniture.

Proper knots, whether used by sailors, scouts, or anyone else, have been developed over many centuries to be as simple as possible to achieve the desired effect.

The ideal knot is easy to tie, secure in use, does not weaken the rope more than is necessary, and is fairly easy to untie when required. There is no place for complexity.

From a police investigation point of view, much could be inferred from the knots used to tie someone up. You could make reasonable inferences about the perpetrator's experience handling rope, and therefore their likely background, hobbies or profession. You could work out whether they were thorough and methodical in their habits, and whether they were in a hurry or panic when they tied the knots. You might also make a reasonable guess as to whether they were left or right handed.

If the knots really were "complicated" my first reasonable guess would be that the person who did the tying was not a sailor.

 

[Trevp666]

Here is some secretly recorded film of the head of the San Diego PD.

 

[catseye]

Lousy journalism. There are very few "complicated" nautical knots, and those few very specialised knots that actually are complicated would not be suitable for tying someone to the furniture.

Proper knots, whether used by sailors, scouts, or anyone else, have been developed over many centuries to be as simple as possible to achieve the desired effect.

The ideal knot is easy to tie, secure in use, does not weaken the rope more than is necessary, and is fairly easy to untie when required. There is no place for complexity.

From a police investigation point of view, much could be inferred from the knots used to tie someone up. You could make reasonable inferences about the perpetrator's experience handling rope, and therefore their likely background, hobbies or profession. You could work out whether they were thorough and methodical in their habits, and whether they were in a hurry or panic when they tied the knots. You might also make a reasonable guess as to whether they were left or right handed.

If the knots really were "complicated" my first reasonable guess would be that the person who did the tying was not a sailor.

I agree it's lazy journalism. To the onlooker I guess any knot where the rope is tied over and around looks 'complicated'. And who else would have a need to tie knots, but a sailor? Unless it were a slightly perverted scout.

 

[maximus otter]

Dead woman found naked and gagged with eerie message on wall as family fight for truth

To San Diego Police Department there was only one conclusion. She had killed herself.

There’s a fuller, more objective account on Wikipedia.

Zahau’s death occurred two days after the death of her boyfriend’s young son in an accident on the [same?] staircase in the house, when she and her sister had the care of the boy.

A reconstruction showed that Zahau would have been able to tie herself as described.

No DNA from any potential attacker was found at the scene.

Lurid headlines aside, l see nothing to contraindicate the suicide of a remorseful woman who was no stranger to aberrant behaviour. (Despite not being short of a bob or two, she’d been convicted of shoplifting less than two years previous to her death.)

maximus otter

 

[Mythopoeika]

Why would someone tie up themself and then commit suicide?
I don't get it.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why would someone tie up themself and then commit suicide?
I don't get it.

No backing out if your hands are tied

 

[Floyd]

Why would someone tie up themself and then commit suicide?
I don't get it.

One theory is to stop themselves from changing their mind.

 

[maximus otter]

Why would someone tie up themself and then commit suicide?
I don't get it.

Committing suicide itself is pretty weird; the manner in which one does it is window dressing.

(At the moment l can only recall one instance where a suicide of which l’m personally aware restrained themselves: A WPC on my shift attended a burned-out car, where - IIRC - the owner had chained himself to the wheel, drenched himself in petrol and ignited it.)

maximus otter

 

[Trevp666]

Maybe they fell through a trapdoor and broke their neck.

 

[Nosmo King]

A man has died and a woman has been seriously injured when 2 paraglider collided.

"A 54-year-old man has died and a woman has been seriously injured in a paragliding collision.

Emergency services were called at about 16:45 on Saturday to the incident, near Loch Na Gainmhich in the Highlands.
The woman's injuries are not believed to be life threatening.

A spokeswoman for the force said: "Police Scotland can confirm that a 54-year-old man has died and a woman has been seriously injured following a collision involving two paramotors."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-58615590

 

[Floyd]

There’s a fuller, more objective account on Wikipedia.

Zahau’s death occurred two days after the death of her boyfriend’s young son in an accident on the [same?] staircase in the house, when she and her sister had the care of the boy.

A reconstruction showed that Zahau would have been able to tie herself as described.

No DNA from any potential attacker was found at the scene.

Lurid headlines aside, l see nothing to contraindicate the suicide of a remorseful woman who was no stranger to aberrant behaviour. (Despite not being short of a bob or two, she’d been convicted of shoplifting less than two years previous to her death.)

maximus otter

The loud music coming from the Spreckels mansion the day after the boy died is a tad odd though. (Bunker Spreckels was a character by the way).

 

[Mythopoeika]

The loud music coming from the Spreckels mansion the day after the boy died is a tad odd though. (Bunker Spreckels was a character by the way).

Used to hide the noise of a row and then a murder?

 

[Floyd]

Used to hide the noise of a row and then a murder?

Could be. But it just doesn't seem (to me anyway) that it would be the sort of thing to do after the death of your partner's child in your house just the day before. Mind you it wasn't her child, but still.

 

[maximus otter]

Used to hide the noise of a row and then a murder?

Why go to the trouble of camouflaging the noise of a murder, then waste your efforts by staging a weird suicide to cover it up?

maximus otter

 

[Trevp666]

Why go to the trouble of camouflaging the noise of a murder, then waste your efforts by staging a weird suicide to cover it up?

You have watched 'Columbo' before haven't you?
It's what every inept murderer does apparently.