I think you have this all wrong.
Or I am illustrating how a personal bias influences interpretation - hence the *rolleyes*.
I think you have this all wrong. I can't imagine anything quite so incompetent as a failed suicide. It is sort of the bottom of the bottom for me.
I think you have this all wrong. I can't imagine anything quite so incompetent as a failed suicide. It is sort of the bottom of the bottom for me.
can't imagine anything quite so incompetent as a failed suicide. It is sort of the bottom of the bottom for me.
To be so hopeless that you want to kill yourself, then trying suicide and failing. Sheesh! Or worse, failing suicide multiple times... That is the very definition of total incompetence, surely?
Move away from your own definitions that label people incompetent and consider and alternative scenarios. It's an exercise. Used to do it with late teens.
Some one who has it in their head that the reason people do whatever it is - the "correct" reason in their view - is to kill themselves, won't be able to change the emphasis. Instead of stating that the subgroup that doesn't reach what you think is the goal, trying changing the terms.
For example, rather than group A failing and group B succeeding, try the idea that they are after different goals. In this case this leads to the possibility that group B is failing at "trying to get help" and group A is succeeding.
but still, if you are going to do something, at very least get it right.
Totally agree with this. One of the ways "we get it right" here is to look at all views of something, coming out of comfort zones and trying different a different model. For the exercise it doesn't have to work, it has to stretch us - of course, then we should look at of the mind refusing to swallow is confirmation bias or because something doesn't fit.
Perhaps the person in your anecdotal evidence wasn't trying to kill himself and failing. He was trying to connect, ask for help, get a human contact - and failing. My own bias here means that my primary analysis here is that isn't primarily to do with him, it's to do with those he was trying to communicate with - "A great fool ", "hopeless ", "Sheesh ", "worse", "total incompetence ", "nobody was taking him seriously ", "we just stifled our laughter ", "attention seeking"... perhaps his error lay in him trying to communicate with this particular group of people? Remember, this is an exercise, don't get attached to the idea of discrediting a possible interpretation - this is one of the things we do here, isn;t it?
Goths, especially old one like myself, deal with a lot of "suicide", and you quickly get a sense for what is real distress and what is attention seeking.
I'll rephrase this from my own angle "Teachers/members of a group where the suicide rate is greater than the general population, especially old ones like myself, deal with a lot of suicide, and you quickly get a sense that trying to find out the why and wherefore is akin to the problem of accurate weather forecasting."
I think you have this all wrong. I can't imagine anything quite so incompetent as a failed suicide. It is sort of the bottom of the bottom for me.
Really? I can imagine quite a few things, including the framing of the statement!