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Syria: Massacres, False Flags, Backroom Diplomacy & Endtimers

"I referredyou to theBBC article"

Well no. You posted a link back to an FT post by kamalktk, containing the BBC link, in which they claim not to have been able to contact "Partisangirl".
I don't see anyone claiming this unpleasant Assad/Putin/Iran propagandist doesn't exist.

The difference between us is that you swallow such propaganda, whereas I question it - but I do not deny its existence.

So go on. Have the last word if you want. We've agreed to disagree in the past and I see no value in doing anything differently in this case.
 
"I referredyou to theBBC article"

Well no. You posted a link back to an FT post by kamalktk, containing the BBC link, in which they claim not to have been able to contact "Partisangirl".
I don't see anyone claiming this unpleasant Assad/Putin/Iran propagandist doesn't exist.

The difference between us is that you swallow such propaganda, whereas I question it - but I do not deny its existence.

So go on. Have the last word if you want. We've agreed to disagree in the past and I see no value in doing anything differently in this case.

You said no was claiming that that these Tweeters didn't exist.

Well I say that I challenge the propaganda you swallow. But then I would say that, wouldn't I?

Agree to disagree.
 
That article doesn't claim there isn't a person behind the account or is a bot, it implies she's not who she says she is, the US architectural style in her photos for instance and being a journalist with no published articles. I could say I'm a South African pro Rugby player, but if my photos are from office cubicles in Tokyo, people are going to doubt that.
 
That article doesn't claim there isn't a person behind the account or is a bot, it implies she's not who she says she is, the US architectural style in her photos for instance and being a journalist with no published articles. I could say I'm a South African pro Rugby player, but if my photos are from office cubicles in Tokyo, people are going to doubt that.

I really don't see the distinction, it claims the person as portrayed doesn't exist. Well, the BBC are going to answer for that article in court now!

The BBC/UK Govt got some of their info from the George Soros funded Atlantic Foundation, actually from a staffer who may have been acting on a personal grudge. Could be some interesting court cases.
 
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Don't you think your sources of RT & Sputniknews are the teeniest bit slanted? They're both pretty much mouthpieces of the Russian government. According to wiki: Sputniknews (formerly The Voice of Russia and RIA Novosti) is a news agency, news website platform and radio broadcast service established by the Russian government-controlled news agency Rossiya Segodnya in 2014.

Frankly I have very little firm idea who the goodest guys are & who the baddest guys are. It's hard to know what's really going on but I'm not sure I'd take solely the Russian governments version as my only source.
Dependance of sputnik and RT from the Russian government has already been discussed at length. But do not worry, I do not rely solely on the Russian government's version, as many links posted here have made abundantly clear.

Besides, a side story that the Western press is not eager to cover : Trump's gift to Russian military analysts (note that the rate of 73 missiles intercepted out of 103 or 104 is abundantly given, the Russians claim that they can prove it) :
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201804191063713142-russia-us-unexploded-missiles-syria/

Moscow Can Boost Its Defenses by Studying Intact US Missiles in Syria - Analyst

14:36 19.04.2018(updated 15:26 19.04.2018

On April 14, the United States, France and the UK fired over 100 missiles at multiple targets in Syria in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons by government forces in the city of Douma in Eastern Ghouta. Almost two-thirds of the rockets were shot down, according to Russian military.

According to Viktor Murakhovsky, member of the advisory council of the Russian Military-Industrial Commission, two cruise missiles that had failed to detonate during the US-led strike on Syria and were reportedly handed over to Russia by the Syrian military may come in handy for Russian specialists.

“These findings may be very useful for our country. Russian experts do not copy western arms patterns, since we have our own development strategy, but it will be interesting for them to get acquainted with the latest western developments in this field. Some missiles, used to strike Syria, were not new, while others were exploited for the first time,” Murakhovsky told Sputnik.

READ MORE: Ex-DoS Official Warns of Another Possible False Flag Provocation Blaming Syria

The missiles found by the Syrian forces were reportedly transferred to Russia on April 18, and, as Murakhovsky explained, they will be of special interest because the rockets were quite new.

“It would be interesting to look at the American missile – JASSM-ER – that the US used in the battlefield for the first time. Studying these rockets will help Russia improve its missile defense systems and electronic warfare systems,” the military analyst elaborated.

Nearly a week ago, a trilateral alliance, comprised of the United States, France and the United Kingdom, delivered a massive missile strike on numerous Syrian targets as retaliation for an alleged chemical weapons attack perpetrated by the Damascus government in the city of Douma which supposedly took place on April 7.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, a total of 71 rockets out of the 103 cruise and air-to-surface missiles were shot down by Syrian air defenses. The airstrikes came on the same day that the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was set to launch a fact-finding mission and inspect the site.

The West’s decision to hit Syria with over a hundred of missiles was triggered by reports, covered in several media outlets, citing militants in Douma claiming the Syrian government forces had dropped a chlorine bomb on civilians – information that was “substantiated” by the White Helmets-provided footage, showing the aftermath of the alleged use of chemical weapons.
Both Damascus and Moscow dismissed the claims, slamming the entire incident as a false flag, with the Russian Defense Ministry sending a chemical corps commission to Douma to investigate the alleged use of toxic agents, days after the reports emerged on media; the expert group did not find any traces of chemical poisoning either with chlorine or sarin.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of the speaker and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
 
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Dependance of sputnik and RT from the Russian government has already been discussed at length. But do not worry, I do not rely solely on teh Russian government's version, as many links posted here has made abundantly clear.

Besides, a side story that the Western press is not eager to cover : Trump's gift to Russian military analysts (note that the rate of 73 missiles intercepted out of 103 or 104 is abundantly given, the Russians claim that they can prove it) :
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201804191063713142-russia-us-unexploded-missiles-syria/

Moscow Can Boost Its Defenses by Studying Intact US Missiles in Syria - Analyst

14:36 19.04.2018(updated 15:26 19.04.2018

On April 14, the United States, France and the UK fired over 100 missiles at multiple targets in Syria in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons by government forces in the city of Douma in Eastern Ghouta. Almost two-thirds of the rockets were shot down, according to Russian military.

According to Viktor Murakhovsky, member of the advisory council of the Russian Military-Industrial Commission, two cruise missiles that had failed to detonate during the US-led strike on Syria and were reportedly handed over to Russia by the Syrian military may come in handy for Russian specialists.

“These findings may be very useful for our country. Russian experts do not copy western arms patterns, since we have our own development strategy, but it will be interesting for them to get acquainted with the latest western developments in this field. Some missiles, used to strike Syria, were not new, while others were exploited for the first time,” Murakhovsky told Sputnik.

READ MORE: Ex-DoS Official Warns of Another Possible False Flag Provocation Blaming Syria

The missiles found by the Syrian forces were reportedly transferred to Russia on April 18, and, as Murakhovsky explained, they will be of special interest because the rockets were quite new.

“It would be interesting to look at the American missile – JASSM-ER – that the US used in the battlefield for the first time. Studying these rockets will help Russia improve its missile defense systems and electronic warfare systems,” the military analyst elaborated.

Nearly a week ago, a trilateral alliance, comprised of the United States, France and the United Kingdom, delivered a massive missile strike on numerous Syrian targets as retaliation for an alleged chemical weapons attack perpetrated by the Damascus government in the city of Douma which supposedly took place on April 7.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, a total of 71 rockets out of the 103 cruise and air-to-surface missiles were shot down by Syrian air defenses. The airstrikes came on the same day that the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was set to launch a fact-finding mission and inspect the site.

The West’s decision to hit Syria with over a hundred of missiles was triggered by reports, covered in several media outlets, citing militants in Douma claiming the Syrian government forces had dropped a chlorine bomb on civilians – information that was “substantiated” by the White Helmets-provided footage, showing the aftermath of the alleged use of chemical weapons.
Both Damascus and Moscow dismissed the claims, slamming the entire incident as a false flag, with the Russian Defense Ministry sending a chemical corps commission to Douma to investigate the alleged use of toxic agents, days after the reports emerged on media; the expert group did not find any traces of chemical poisoning either with chlorine or sarin.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of the speaker and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.

Here's a classic example - the US say they all got through. I have no idea which is correct or whether it's somewhere between the two, & I suspect neither do you. Russia says they can prove it - again I have no idea what this proof would consist of, but let's see some.
 
Here's a classic example - the US say they all got through. I have no idea which is correct or whether it's somewhere between the two, & I suspect neither do you. Russia says they can prove it - again I have no idea what this proof would consist of, but let's see some.

Janes Defence Weekly covered the attack, they do a lot of analysis of armaments systems so they may follow up on how many missiles got through.

http://www.janes.com/article/79307/western-allies-target-syrian-assets
 
Even if you're a renowned expert, you're not allowed to say the inconvenient truth on mainstream media :
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/sk...tish-armed-forces-questions-syria-gas-attack/

Sky News abruptly ends segment when former head of British Armed Forces questions Syria gas attack
April 13, 2018

General Jonathan Shaw found out what happens when you don’t stick to the pro-war script.

The former commander of British Forces in Iraq was abruptly cut off and had his segment ended on Sky News when he questioned why Syrian leader Assad would launch a gas attack on his own people.


When asked if the Russians have “made it more difficult for the UK to launch any kind of attack without putting it to Parliament,” Shaw responded, “Apart from all that, the debate that seems to be missing from this is, and this was mentioned by the (Russian) ambassador, was what possible motive might have triggered Syria to launch a chemical attack at this time in this place.

“The Syrians are winning. Don’t take my word for it — take the American military’s word.”

After citing to examples of Americans — including President Trump — saying the civil war is effectively over, Shaw was abruptly cut off.

“I’m very sorry. You’ve been very patient waiting for us but we do need to leave it there,” the host said, silencing Shaw.

“I’m very sorry. Thank you very much indeed.”

As the host stared at the camera for several moments, the segment ended.
 
What the moderate islamists of the Free Syrian Army do. Just remember that the UK, US and FRance aalso arm and supply the FSA.

Kurds say West has betrayed them after purge of Isis
Desecration of YPG female fighter exposes distrust of coalition

When two videos showing the desecration of a female fighter’s corpse appeared on social media, Ahmed Omar was disgusted.

He was in a building defending the Kurdish front lines north of Afrin from advancing Turkish forces and their Free Syrian Army (FSA) allies when he saw the footage on his mobile phone one night.

“I felt revolted and deeply saddened,” he said, recalling the clip in which an FSA fighter, surrounded by jeering colleagues, stands on the chest of the young woman whose breasts had been removed and stomach slashed. “I had a sensation of deep pain to see the body of a woman treated this way.”

A few hours after seeing the footage a message landed on his phone. “It named the woman in the video as my sister, Amina,” he said. “She had been killed in action a day earlier. I began to weep. My commander ordered me home to break the news to my family.”

The videos of the mutilation of Amina Omar, 26, better known by her war name, Barin Kobani, went viral, outraging Kurds across the region amid the grinding 59-day operation by Turkey and its FSA proxies to capture Afrin from the Kurdish YPG. ...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...rayed-them-after-purge-of-isis-ddhmw0f5m?t=ie
 
Lets get the timeline straight: Israel struck first.

Distorting the timeline of events is a longtime Israeli strategy to make its enemies look like the aggressors and pass itself off as the victim.

Israel’s massive aerial attacks earlier today on Iranians and Syrians — its most extensive cross-border strikes in decades — are carrying out this propaganda strategy to perfection, and even normally skeptical news outlets are being fooled.

Here’s the actual order of events:

* Just one hour after Donald Trump violated the Iran nuclear deal on May 8, Israel launched missiles against targets south of Damascus, Syria, reportedly killing 15 people, at least 8 of them Iranians.

* In response, Iran early this morning apparently struck back with 20 rockets aimed at the Golan Heights, (which is occupied by Israel since 1967 but is still legally part of Syria).

* Hours later, Israeli warplanes attacked dozens of allegedly Iranian targets in Syria.

The mainstream Western media is falling into Israel’s propaganda trap. Most reports are treating the Iranian rockets as the original provocation, and framing Israel’s massive air strikes as the (understandable) response. Unusually, the New York Times coverage was actually moderately less biased than other outlets, such as the Washington Post and the BBC. The Times at least noted — down in paragraph 12 — that Israel had first attacked Syria right after Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Iran deal. ...

http://mondoweiss.net/2018/05/distorts-dangerous-escalation/


The rocket attack early Thursday appeared to come in response to Israeli strikes on positions in southern Syria on Wednesday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said that explosions rang out in Al Baath, a village in the Syrian Golan Heights, late Wednesday after it was hit by missiles from Israel. The observatory, which is based in Britain but tracks the conflict in Syria through contacts on the ground, said it did not have any information on whether anyone was killed in the strike.

Israel had been bracing for a retaliatory attack from Syrian territory after a number of deadly strikes against Iranian targets there. But analysts said the Iranians had been restrained from striking back while awaiting President Trump’s decision on whether to withdraw the United States from the nuclear agreement with Iran. ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/...latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront
 
You're quoting political comment from a self-confessed "anti-zionist" there ramonmercado, so forgive us if we treat any comment from a political activist, who would deny the Jewish people the right to a homeland, with a hefty shovelful of salt.
 
You're quoting political comment from a self-confessed "anti-zionist" there ramonmercado, so forgive us if we treat any comment from a political activist, who would deny the Jewish people the right to a homeland, with a hefty shovelful of salt.

But the news in it is either accurate or it isn't.

The same news (but with a different tone) is in the NYT article I cited.
 
The NYT article states "Iranian forces in Syria fired about 20 rockets into the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights early Thursday, targeting forward positions of the Israeli military, according to a military spokesman.
The spokesman, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, said Israel had responded to the attack but did not provide details. "

It's a more straightforward account, not seeking to pin the blame on Israel.

Political blogs such as your initial link clearly have a particular axe to grind and will not employ objectivity. That is why, when I post links to support a thread, I tend to stick to reputable news servers like The Guardian or the BBC.
 
The NYT article states "Iranian forces in Syria fired about 20 rockets into the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights early Thursday, targeting forward positions of the Israeli military, according to a military spokesman.
The spokesman, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, said Israel had responded to the attack but did not provide details. "

It's a more straightforward account, not seeking to pin the blame on Israel.

Political blogs such as your initial link clearly have a particular axe to grind and will not employ objectivity. That is why, when I post links to support a thread, I tend to stick to reputable news servers like The Guardian or the BBC.


The NYT also states:

The rocket attack early Thursday appeared to come in response to Israeli strikes on positions in southern Syria on Wednesday.
 
Political blogs such as your initial link clearly have a particular axe to grind and will not employ objectivity. That is why, when I post links to support a thread, I tend to stick to reputable news servers like The Guardian or the BBC.
Irony there, surely?
 
You have to get your news from somewhere. Most of the news on BBC and The Guardian is true or at least not lies. Opinion pieces are different, but usually in the Guardian and Times you will get columnists offering differing opinions/analysis in the same paper.

Exactly. Some opinion pieces published in The Guardian are jaw-droppingly outrageous, but their news reporting is generally fair and is usually my first port of call to find out about a news story.
 
The NYT article states "Iranian forces in Syria fired about 20 rockets into the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights early Thursday, targeting forward positions of the Israeli military, according to a military spokesman.
The spokesman, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, said Israel had responded to the attack but did not provide details. "

It's a more straightforward account, not seeking to pin the blame on Israel.
I don't know how it could be more straightforward, if it had forgotten to mention that the first bullets had been shot by Israel (however, this is not what they did). The facts are that Israel opened fire first (after having already agressed Syria and Iranians a number of times, plus supoprting terrorists, more and more openly), Iranians responded (quite weakly, and on what is Syrian soil), and Israel stroke again, intimating falsely that they were only responding.

And now Assad gets things straight about Trump, and his tendency to align on the Deep State (which he may have little choice but to do) :
https://www.rt.com/news/426342-trump-assad-deep-state-syria/

Assad: Why talk to Trump if he doesn’t control the US?
Published time: 10 May, 2018 10:16 Edited time: 11 May, 2018 07:36
https://on.rt.com/94yu
  • Meeting with Donald Trump would be pointless because the deep state – not the president – controls the US, Bashar Assad said in an interview. He noted that the agenda of the deep state is to create conflict aimed against Russia.
    In an exclusive interview with Athens daily Kathimerini, Assad said there was no reason to meet face-to-face with Trump, since the US president “says something today, and does the opposite tomorrow,” and is likely not even in control of policy decisions.

    “[W]e don’t think the president of that regime is in control,” Assad told the paper, referring to Trump. “We all believe that the deep state, the real state, is in control, or is in control of every president, and that is nothing new. It has always been so in the United States, at least during the last 40 years, at least since Nixon, maybe before, but it’s becoming starker and starker, and the starkest case is Trump.”

    Assad also dismissed the possibility of a third world war breaking out in Syria, telling the Greek newspaper that Moscow’s levelheadedness has so far prevented a catastrophic escalation – even as the US aims to expand the conflict. Asked directly if he was concerned about the possibility of a third world war, Assad replied: “No, for one reason: Because fortunately, you have a wise leadership in Russia, and they know that the agenda of the deep state in the United States is to create a conflict. Since Trump’s campaign, the main agenda was against Russia, create a conflict with Russia, humiliate Russia, undermine Russia, and so on,” the Syrian president said.

    Assad ended the interview by vowing to reunify Syria and restore its sovereignty, adding that the US, France, UK, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are ultimately responsible for the seven-year war and must be held accountable for supporting “terrorists” fighting in Syria.
 
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You sure can't beat that old Fortean open mindedness and love of debate can you?
I prefer sites that aren't owned by a nation in the middle of the conflict, especially one where we have multiple other threads on how they are interfering in the domestic affairs of our allies/our selves.

Much like flat earth sites, both sides are not deserving of equal weight.
 
I prefer sites that aren't owned by a nation in the middle of the conflict, especially one where we have multiple other threads on how they are interfering in the domestic affairs of our allies/our selves.

Much like flat earth sites, both sides are not deserving of equal weight.
Appears ironic, as the sites you mention (the likes of BBC, The New York Times, The Guardian, The Washington Post, etc...) are from and owned or controlled by nations at the origin of the conflict, have not stated a valid fact in years on the issue (and are involved in countless interferences in this same country you loathe) ; and no, are defintiely not deserving the same weight.
Personnally, I have no problem with admitting that I am not reading them anymore, and won't in a foreseeable feature (except occasionnaly to have an insight of the propaganda).
(By the way, has the thread on Iran vanished in a black hole ?)
 
As a more contructive approach, the relevant parts of the interview with Kathemerini, plus a couple of others:
http://www.ekathimerini.com/228495/...ssad-tells-kathimerini-in-exclusive-interview


In a tweet, US President Donald Trump described you as “animal Assad.” What is your response?


Actually, when you are president of a country, you have first of all to represent the morals of your people before representing your own morals. You are representing your country. Does this language represent the American culture? That is the question. This is very bad, and I don’t think so. I don’t think there’s a community in the world that has such language. Second, the good thing about Trump is that he expresses himself in a very transparent way, which is very good in that regard. Personally, I don’t care, because I deal with the situation as a politician, as a president. It doesn’t matter for me personally; what matters is whether something would affect me, would affect my country, our war, the terrorists, and the atmosphere that we are living in.

He said “mission accomplished in Syria.” How do you feel about that?

I think maybe the only mission accomplished was when they helped ISIS escape from Raqqa, when they helped them, and it was proven by video, and under their cover. The leaders of ISIS escaped Raqqa, going toward Deir ez-Zor just to fight the Syrian Army. The other mission accomplished was when they attacked the Syrian Army at the end of 2016 in the area of Deir ez-Zor when ISIS was surrounding Deir ez-Zor, and the only force was the Syrian Army. The only force to defend that city from ISIS was the Syrian Army, and because of the Americans’ – and of course their allies’ – attack, Deir ez-Zor was on the brink of falling into the hands of ISIS. So, this is the only mission that was accomplished. If he’s talking about destroying Syria, of course that’s another mission accomplished. While if you talk about fighting terrorism, we all know very clearly that the only mission the United States has been carrying out in Syria is supporting the terrorists, regardless of their names, or the names of their factions.

He also used such language with the North Korean leader, and now they’re going to meet. Could you potentially see yourself meeting with Trump? What would you tell him if you saw him face to face?

The first question you should ask is: What can you achieve? The other: What can we achieve with someone who says something before the campaign, and does the opposite after the campaign, who says something today, and does the opposite tomorrow, or maybe in the same day? So, it’s about consistency. Do they have the same frequency every day, or the same algorithm? So, I don’t think that in the meantime we can achieve anything with such an administration. A further reason is that we don’t think the president of that regime is in control. We all believe that the deep state, the real state, is in control, or is in control of every president, and that is nothing new. It has always been so in the United States, at least during the last 40 years, at least since Nixon, maybe before, but it’s becoming starker and starker, and the starkest case is Trump.
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How about Turkey? Turkey invaded part of your country. You used to have a pretty good relationship with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. How is that relationship now after the Turkish invasion?

First of all, this is an aggression, this is an occupation. Any single Turkish soldier on Syrian soil represents occupation. That doesn’t mean the Turkish people are our enemies. Only a few days ago, a political delegation visited from Turkey. We have to distinguish between the Turks in general and Erdogan. Erdogan is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe he’s not organized, but his affiliation is toward that ideology, I call it this dark ideology. And for him, because, like the West, when the terrorists lost control of different areas, and actually they couldn’t implement the agenda of Turkey or the West or Qatar or Saudi Arabia, somebody had to interfere. This is where the West interfered through the recent attacks on Syria, and this is where Erdogan was assigned by the West, mainly the United States, to interfere, to make the situation complicated, again because without this interference, the situation would have been resolved much faster. So, it’s not about personal relations. The core issue of the Muslim Brotherhood anywhere in the world is to use Islam in order to take control of the government in your country, and to create multiple governments with this kind of relationship, like a network of Muslim Brotherhoods, around the world.
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Are you worried about a third world war starting here in Syria? I mean, you have the Israelis hitting the Iranians here in your own country. You have the Russians, you have the Americans. Are you concerned about that possibility?

No, for one reason: Because fortunately, you have a wise leadership in Russia, and they know that the agenda of the deep state in the United States is to create a conflict. Since Trump’s campaign, the main agenda was against Russia, create a conflict with Russia, humiliate Russia, undermine Russia, and so on. And we’re still in the same process under different titles or by different means. Because of the wisdom of the Russians, we can avoid this. Maybe it’s not a full-blown third world war, but it is a world war, maybe in a different way, not like the second and the first, maybe it’s not nuclear, but it’s definitely not a cold war; it’s something more than a cold war, less than a full-blown war. And I hope we don’t see any direct conflict between these superpowers, because that is where things are going to get out of control for the rest of the world.
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But why would the US do that if you’re fighting the same enemy: Islamic terrorism?

Because the US usually has an agenda and it has goals. If it cannot achieve its goals, it resorts to something different, which is to create chaos. Create chaos until the whole atmosphere changes, maybe because the different parties will give up, and they will give in to their goals, and this is where they can implement their goals again, or maybe they change their goals, but if they cannot achieve it, it’s better to weaken every party and create conflict, and this is not unique to Syria. This has been their policy for decades now in every area of this world.
 
"Russian journalist critical of actions in Syria"
...

Just to clarify my position, it would be just as easy to describe the story as:

ISIS Supporting Journalist Killed In Ukraine.

But that would be just as misleading as your characterisation of the event.

The actual headline at the link is:

Russian journalist Babchenko, critic of Kremlin, shot dead in Ukraine

 
Except he's not dead, tada!
 
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