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The 15-Minute City Conspiracy

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Cochise said:
Older ones are actively designed to transfer their contents to the surrounding earth (in a controlled way). Sure makes the grass grow.

Nowt wrong with the idea in lightly populated areas, as long as it doesn't get in to the water supply. Excrement is nature's fertilizer.
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We didn't have running water or drainage when I was growing up. Our backyard privy was emptied into a deep hole that Dad dug in the garden spreading a layer of soil (and maybe some lime?) over each bucketful until it got to within a certain height. Can't say what that was as being as how I was little it may not have been as deep as my perceptions which were that it was very deep and I had a fear of falling in!
We did however have lovely vegetables.
Isn't the offgrid ideal these days (if you have the space of course) a reed filter bed arrangement?
 
Sollywos said:
We didn't have running water or drainage when I was growing up. Our backyard privy was emptied into a deep hole that Dad dug in the garden spreading a layer of soil (and maybe some lime?) over each bucketful until it got to within a certain height. Can't say what that was as being as how I was little it may not have been as deep as my perceptions which were that it was very deep and I had a fear of falling in!
We did however have lovely vegetables.
Isn't the offgrid ideal these days (if you have the space of course) a reed filter bed arrangement?
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Blimey. That's sound serious. All I remember as a kid of the outside Houses of Parliament was to go before bedtime. it was dash there, have a pee, and dash back. Winter time in the outside karzi was hellish. The morning pee and number two's was a nightmare. A freezing cold seat which if you weren't careful of your legs would stick to and it was either the waxed Izal or torn up newspaper to rid the nether regions of Klingons.

I had what was I think food poisoning once when I was 7 or 8 or maybe 9 in the middle of winter. The dashing to the loo was worse than the illness.

An inside loo was a luxury I thought no one had until in my teens.
 
kesavaross said:
Winter time in the outside karzi was hellish.
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If it got really really cold ie if ice had formed on the pond on the opposite side of the path from what Dad called the 'shizen hausen' (to get round mums objection to swearing in front of the children lol) and mum insisted we called 'the toilet' an oil stove would be lit, but otherwise yes a bloody arctic trek in the winter! Ours was a '2 holer' ie a larger one for the adults and a smaller once for us so it was a fair sized outhouse and next to it was the coal shed and then the pig stye. We had a guzunder for night time weeing.

One of my early pocket money jobs was cutting the newspaper into squares to hang on a piece of string I didn't come across the dreaded Izal until I went to school.
 
maximus otter said:
"Facial recognition now required for entering and leaving your neighborhood zone in China's 15-minute cities. Citizens are literally living in open-air prisons, where their every move is being watched and judged by the draconian Social Credit System."

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What had that got to do with the 15 minute city concept?
China has operated both systems for years, and arguably before the concept was even widely known.

I don't see the connection.

This looks like conflation.
 
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A static population is more easily controlled than a mobile one
 
Trevp666 said:
A friend of mine slipped in the shower 3 days ago, kicking the wall and breaking her big toe.
It turned black, blue and purple and swelled up a bit and as she lives in St Albans she got her friend to give her a lift round to the local St Albans Hospital.
They asked her if she 'had an appointment?'
She replied that how could she possibly have made an appointment in advance of breaking her toe? "I'm not bleedin psychic you know!"
Singularly devoid of humour, the person in the hospital pulled a face, saying something about 'not tolerating abuse' and that St Albans hospital does not have an A & E service any more, just an 'urgent care hub' for appointments only.
Apparently all A & E services for that area are now covered by Watford General Hospital, over 11 miles away and at least 25 minutes drive.
The quickest journey on public transport would be over an hour, including a 15 minute walk to the bus stop and using the 'Green Line' bus service, then changing onto the Watford local bus service, W1 and going several stops, followed by another walk.
All rather difficult to do with a foot injury.
And she still hasn't got it seen to. She's asking people 'online' how best to splint and bandage it.

15 minute city my hairy arse!
Unless they actually provide the necessary services in every area it'll never happen.
And it isn't like St Albans is some crappy little town with a small population.
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Just for future reference, the 'pathway' for treatment for minor injuries isn't best found by turning up at an A&E (real or defunct). If your friend's toe was hanging off, with blood loss then that's an A and an E!

If it's during GP hours, call the GP or visit the GP. They may be able to treat it there. If they can't, they will refer you to an urgent care service with a time to be seen that same day ( eg., an appointment at the local MIU with access to X-ray).

If it's out of hours, call NHS 111 and they again can arrange for you to be seen at an out of ours GP service normally based at a local hospital, or another urgent care service that's not A & E. It normally works as I can attest, several times recently.
 
Thing is though, is if you have injured yourself, you don't want to have to spend time phoning up call centres, or 'emergency operators', or researching the best place to go, or call, to help you with your specific type of injury.
In their attempts to provide better services to people by splitting the services into separate specialisms, what they have done is just made access more awkward.
Just do what they always did and have a hospital in each area and an 'Accident and Emergency' department that deals with everything (the clue is in the name) and then everyone knows where they stand, and the triage at the front desk can then best direct your treatment through the service.
I could imagine a future (seeing as this is the '15 minute cities' thread) in which I would injure myself here in this area, call the helpline who advise me to see a GP (which you'd currently be lucky to do at short notice on a good day - you'd have to book an appointment for that, usually in 2 weeks time at best) who looks at my injury and advises I need an x-ray or summat, only to find that there isn't a place capable of doing that 'within 15 minutes' unless you have a private jet of some sort.
No, it's all deliberately designed to be as difficult as possible because TPTB spend too much money on 'admin' and therefore the actual provision of clinical care is limited, so they want to dissuade as many people as possible from actually using the scant services that are available.
 
The WEF's plans for 15 minute cities is that ultimately, when fully implemented, there won't be any local GP's. It'll all be done by AI. Blood tests and all that will be done by a machine and tablets dispensed automatically. Bone fractures, etc, would 'assessed' by a machine and if necessary, autonomous transport would be provided to an again automated fracture clinic etc. It can all be found on the WEF website and it's not a conspiracy, it's what is planned for our future. They are calling it part of the fourth revolution.

Before that happens, they have to make the current system so unworkable and useless that people will gladly accept an AI driven automated system of healthcare.

A neighbour of mine recently had a knee replacement operation. Although surgeons were present, he said the actual operation was done automatically by a machine/AI/computer.
 
Trevp666 said:
Thing is though, is if you have injured yourself, you don't want to have to spend time phoning up call centres, or 'emergency operators', or researching the best place to go, or call, to help you with your specific type of injury.
In their attempts to provide better services to people by splitting the services into separate specialisms, what they have done is just made access more awkward.
Just do what they always did and have a hospital in each area and an 'Accident and Emergency' department that deals with everything (the clue is in the name) and then everyone knows where they stand, and the triage at the front desk can then best direct your treatment through the service.
I could imagine a future (seeing as this is the '15 minute cities' thread) in which I would injure myself here in this area, call the helpline who advise me to see a GP (which you'd currently be lucky to do at short notice on a good day - you'd have to book an appointment for that, usually in 2 weeks time at best) who looks at my injury and advises I need an x-ray or summat, only to find that there isn't a place capable of doing that 'within 15 minutes' unless you have a private jet of some sort.
No, it's all deliberately designed to be as difficult as possible because TPTB spend too much money on 'admin' and therefore the actual provision of clinical care is limited, so they want to dissuade as many people as possible from actually using the scant services that are available.
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The appointments are same day, usually within a few hours at urgent care centres and/or MIUs with X-ray facilities dotted around most counties. It's quite simple. Urgent care and minor injuries ≠ A & E. GPs (at least in my area) are willing to have people with minor injuries walk in and maybe the practice nurse might see you first. If it needs more assessment then off you pop to the MIU or A & E as deemed approppriate. Paramedics can even be despatched to homes to deliver urgent treatment to avoid the A & E rigmarole.

It's not the actual medical care that takes ages at A & E; it's the registering, the booking-in, the triaging, the uploading, the admin required, the bed/trolley shuffling and coping with 80%+ of patients in the dept who're confused/frail and elderly. Many patients are sent there with advance notification to the teams behind the door - they are expecting the patient who's been seen by a GP, community hospital specialist or even at outpatients and a serious issue needs treating ASAP so they are sent on to it. Walking in is just a ballache for everyone involved unless it's a real life-threatening situation.

A bruised/broken toe really doesn't merit an emergency department unless someone is majorly ill with other conditions or it's a horrendous multiple crush fracture.

Better to spend time on your phone, at home, to 111 in order to get seen and treated in less time than you'd have to wait to be treated at A & E. For example - on an Easter Sunday a couple of years ago I was struck down with a water infection. GP doesn't open till Tuesday. Called 111 and got sent to a local community hospital urgent care GP clinic within 4 hours. Medicines supplied and job done.

I do know of that on which I am on my soapboax about - I've had 4 x emergency spinal surgeries in 18 years and have spent far too many hours, days and weeks in various hospital departments. Relatives have worked in that arena until retirement.
 
AnonyJ said:
Many patients are sent there with advance notification to the teams behind the door - they are expecting the patient who's been seen by a GP, community hospital specialist or even at outpatients and a serious issue needs treating ASAP so they are sent on to it.
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Had exactly that on my arrival at A&E with pneumonia a few years ago; seen within 10 minutes, stripped to my drawers and on a drip soon after, with the staff asking 'This is your husband, by the way? Not the taxi driver?' :chuckle:
 
kesavaross said:
The WEF's plans for 15 minute cities is that ultimately, when fully implemented, there won't be any local GP's. It'll all be done by AI. Blood tests and all that will be done by a machine and tablets dispensed automatically. Bone fractures, etc, would 'assessed' by a machine and if necessary, autonomous transport would be provided to an again automated fracture clinic etc. It can all be found on the WEF website and it's not a conspiracy, it's what is planned for our future. They are calling it part of the fourth revolution.

Before that happens, they have to make the current system so unworkable and useless that people will gladly accept an AI driven automated system of healthcare.

A neighbour of mine recently had a knee replacement operation. Although surgeons were present, he said the actual operation was done automatically by a machine/AI/computer.
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I had a brief search on the WEF website & couldn’t find anything on 15 minute cities. Can you provide a link for us?
 
hunck said:
I had a brief search on the WEF website & couldn’t find anything on 15 minute cities. Can you provide a link for us?
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Annoyingly, that website has no search engine.
 
 
Kesavarros: Are you saying that your neighbour had a knee replaced by a surgery robot working autonomously? That sounds rather advanced to me.
 
Xanatic* said:
Kesavarros: Are you saying that your neighbour had a knee replaced by a surgery robot working autonomously? That sounds rather advanced to me.
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I expect it was probably more like a 'remote' surgical machine, much like the Da Vinci system 'bot that they use for keyhole surgeries.
I wouldn't entrust a scalpel to some AI driven robo-surgeon.
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Only a few years ago (before he carked it, natch) my dad had both knees done on the same day.
They wheeled him into the surgery in the morning and by the afternoon he was walking around again.
 
Trevp666 said:
Only a few years ago (before he carked it, natch) my dad had both knees done on the same day.
They wheeled him into the surgery in the morning and by the afternoon he was walking around again.
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Yup, patients have to get moving PDQ after surgery to prevent complications. Dragging them out of bed and walking them up the ward used to be one of my jobs. I bet @Swifty's done it too.
 
Mythopoeika said:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/15-minute-city-stickiness/
https://www.weforum.org/videos/paris-is-planning-to-become-a-15-minute-city-897c12513b
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/11/15minute-city-falls-short/
https://www.weforum.org/communities/gfc-on-the-future-of-cities/articles/
https://www.weforum.org/videos/sdis-2021-the-15-minute-city-english
Use Google if you want any more.
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After a brief look at these, most are about issues/problems with the 15 minute city idea. I can’t see anything about

The WEF's plans for 15 minute cities is that ultimately, when fully implemented, there won't be any local GP's. It'll all be done by AI. Blood tests and all that will be done by a machine and tablets dispensed automatically. Bone fractures, etc, would 'assessed' by a machine and if necessary, autonomous transport would be provided to an again automated fracture clinic etc
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I haven’t delved that deeply though. @kesavaross Have you got a link for this?
 
hunck said:
After a brief look at these, most are about issues/problems with the 15 minute city idea. I can’t see anything about



I haven’t delved that deeply though. @kesavaross Have you got a link for this?
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No I haven't. Months ago I watched a WEF video about the future of healthcare and it's gradual implementation as part of their evil 'fourth revolution' to take the world into a new age.

It, or something similar, is bound to turn up in one of my video feeds and when it does, I'll post a link.
 
kesavaross said:
No I haven't. Months ago I watched a WEF video about the future of healthcare and it's gradual implementation as part of their evil 'fourth revolution' to take the world into a new age.

It, or something similar, is bound to turn up in one of my video feeds and when it does, I'll post a link.
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OK, thanks.
 
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