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The Alien Autopsy Film (1995; Santilli & Melaris)

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the maker of the alien autopsy video

perusing posts on the mobius home video board i saw a show report from owner of synapse film 'don may jr'.
as an aside he mentioned that he had lunch of an evening with the person responsible for the video.
he did give the name-i forget it and can't find the post now-but it was somebody involved with german gore film 'premutos'.
is this common knowledge or has he given away a big secret?
 
that old alien autopsy film!

just wondering,
is it now known who made it?
reason i ask is i was reading a show report on the mobius home video forum where an owner of a dvd label (think it was don may jr) was discussing how his friend had finally admitted to making it.
is this a well known thing now or not?
 
no its not

at least to me. I havent heard anything on the film in a long while and (though I think its fake) still think of it as being "up in the air" as to its true nature etc..
 
It's always good to see a careful investigation bear fruit.:rolleyes:
 
ahh very good!!

Olaf Ittenbach, director or PREMUTOS and LEGION OF THE DEAD is the bad boy behind that controversy.
and man can they put the beer away!! wooo mama !!!:D ( I had to go take a pee in the middle of reading that interesting story)
 
it was on a programme BBC 2 (uk) last night - 'I Love 1995', there was Greg Proops ad some other people mocking it and Reg Presley saying it was probably real. thementioned the x-files a lot
 
Don't think the article was meant to be an in depth investigation!
it was a show report,with a guy mentioning what he got up to -that's all.
unless you think that a guy with no interest in fortean subjects decided to make up the story for no apparent reason.
 
iirc

didnt they ask some expert pathologists opinion on the footage,
think he summed it up as a butchers job and couldnt be a trained
practitioner.some think like the guy was just chopping big lumps out of the carcass and putting them in bowls where with training you would attempt to remove seperate organs,if these werent identafiable you would remove as a whole for later investagation and continue the autopsy.
 
jima said:
it was on a programme BBC 2 (uk) last night - 'I Love 1995', there was Greg Proops and some other people mocking it...

And FT's very own Bob Rickard if I'm not mistaken.
 
dsb said:
Don't think the article was meant to be an in depth investigation!
it was a show report,with a guy mentioning what he got up to -that's all.
unless you think that a guy with no interest in fortean subjects decided to make up the story for no apparent reason.
I'm sorry that my use of the sarcastic smiley ( :rolleyes: ) was missed.
There is always the lure of notoriety in your own circle to explain why people do claim responsibility for events and actions they had no hand in.
 
On 27/04/03, ruffready wrote:

"quote:

'Olaf Ittenbach, director or PREMUTOS and LEGION OF THE
DEAD is the bad boy behind that controversy'."


During April, 2002, I published the following [not sure
if all the URL's are still valid]:

As first mentioned on the 'UFO Research List' [UFORL], I
recently came across the following:

http://www.mhvf.net/forum/scifihorror/posts/124218244.htm
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[This URL will 'wrap around']

'Don's FANTASIA Diary 7-26-2001'

"Because of the dinner, we all skipped the 7:45pm showing
of FUCCON FAMILY (it's playing again later) and went to
Club 300 to keep getting tanked on more beer. About a
half hour after we sat down, Olaf Ittenbach, director of
tonight's LEGION OF THE DEAD joined us for a few
pitchers. The beer kept on pouring and we had a good
time. We had to get Olaf completely plastered to get
ready for his film's premiere, of course! I found out
that, a few years ago, some wacko actually held everyone
hostage at Club 300 and finally shot himself. It's a
great place to drink! Also, this might be of interest to
some... remember the 'Alien Autopsy' craze a few years
ago? Remember the Fox special that actually interviewed
Nacho Cerda about the similarities between his film
AFTERMATH and the 'autopsy' video? Well, here is a
surprise. Olaf admitted (I guess he can now that the
contact he had was so old) that HE was the one who helped
create that damn video! The truth is revealed!

He went into great detail about how they faked the film
stock, etc. and said that he did it because they paid him
a LOT of money to do it. So, there you have it, folks!
Olaf Ittenbach, director or PREMUTOS and LEGION OF THE
DEAD is the bad boy behind that controversy.

We talked briefly about the Stan Winston interview and
about how Winston was saying the autopsy was too real to
be faked. All Olaf said was that they probably gave him
LOTS of money to do the interview!"
[END OF 'Don's FANTASIA Diary']


A key figure in the 'alien autopsy' story was of course
Volker Spielberg, a fellow German and 'music publisher'
who allegedly funded Ray Santilli's acquisition from the
'Roswell cameraman' and statedly owned the 'film reels'.

I'm not familiar with Ittenbach, however, a cursory
research of his 'blood and gore' films does suggest an
'alien autopsy' would be consistent with the genre and
his interest in 'special effects' - see:

http://www.legionthemovie.com/legionolaf.html

As for the claim "they faked the film stock", that's
disconcerting as no 16mm 'alien autopsy' film stock was
ever made available, aside from those few frames with
anomalous images which didn't appear within the footage.

However, his 1997 film, 'Premutos', was shot on 16mm.

Although the author, Don May, has been of assistance, it
seems there was indeed, "a LOT of pitchers of beer" drunk
that night and recollections are a bit hazy!

However, Don has suggested how Ittenbach can be contacted
and I've followed that up.

For a number of reasons, I would be more than a little
surprised if Ittenbach _was_ responsible for creating the
'alien autopsy'.

Only Ittenbach can fully resolve whether he did take
credit for the original footage and if that was in fact a
justified claim. Incidentally, I see that rumours of his
connection were actually being circulated before the
apparent July, 2001 confession to Don May and others:
"Also, rumor has it that Ittenbach was responsible for
the infamous Alien Autopsy footage...":

http://www.vidjunkie.com/barebones/archive.htm

However, there may be significant misunderstandings
within Don's account of the inebriated anecdotes and I
might have pieced together the true story of Ittenbach's
involvement. I've discovered he was certainly a 'player'
in those early days and why the rumour, even if untrue,
could easily have surfaced in later years.


During 1995 [when the footage was first broadcast after
world-wide distribution rights had been sold], the film
and encompassing 'Roswell cameraman' story featured in a
documentary by 'STERN TV', a German news magazine program
on the RTL channel ['stern' is apparently German for
'star'].

My files contain the review from a friend in Germany, who
reports that the STERN TV broadcast was called, 'How to
Make an Alien' and they staged their own 'alien autopsy'
for comparison. It was created by "one SFX man and 5
students (physician) in five weeks".

I've located online the confirmation that Ittenbach's
credits include:

1996 Roswell Alien Stern TV 16 mm, 20 min
1996 Roswell Alien Report Video, 15 min

See:

http://www.splatter.de/fgrafie.html

Although the year doesn't equate, I'm assuming it's an
error and should relate to 1995, when Ittenbach had been
contracted to show how an 'alien autopsy' could,
inherently, be faked.

I have no record - during thoroughly documented 1996
developments - of any STERN TV interest during that year
and certainly not an attempted 'alien autopsy'
recreation, which would surely have been widely noted.

If these assumptions are correct, then Ittenbach's 1995
'alien autopsy' did not receive favourable reviews from
some who subsequently viewed the 'RTL footage'!


Although Don May, President of 'Synapse Films', is now
aware of Ittenbach's resultant 'alien autopsy' spoof, he
remains of the opinion that Ittenbach was acknowledging
he created the 'alien autopsy' footage promoted by Ray
Santilli.

Despite considerable efforts by myself and others to
contact Ittenbach, he has not as yet clarified matters.

Ray Santilli, who claimed to have bought film of an alien
dissection from the 'Roswell' cameraman, wrote to me,
"It's complete crap. I have never heard of the guy".

I suspect Ray to be correct and the explanation is as
revealed here.
[END OF APRIL 2002 PUBLICATION]


The above is for information and my reason for revisiting
this originates with another topical development, as I
recently highlighted on UFORL:

As many subscribers will recall, distinguished
photographer, Bob Shell, was involved with the 'alien
autopsy' story - Bob [a staunch advocate of the film's
authenticity] becoming embroiled in claims that Kodak had
ever actually seen any related 16mm film samples - let
alone verified its 1947 provenance.

It seems Bob has somewhat more to be concerned about
these days:

'The Roanoke Times'
Friday, June 18, 2004

[...]

RADFORD - Radford photographer Bob Shell and his defense
attorney lashed out at authorities this week, asking the
court to dismiss the homicide, drug and sex charges
against him and to bring sanctions against the
commonwealth's attorney's office.

At issue for Shell and attorney Marc Small is what they
call repeated and unanswered requests for evidence that
authorities must turn over to them before trial, now set
for Jan. 3-10 in Radford Circuit Court. Shell, 57, is
charged with felony homicide, three counts of defiling a
corpse, attempted sodomy, two counts of attempted animate
object penetration and three drug charges in connection
with the overdose death of one of his models, 19-year-old
Marion Franklin of Boone, N.C.

Franklin died June 3, 2003, in Shell's photography studio
in downtown Radford from an overdose of morphine.

[...]

[END]


For related 'Updates', see:

http://www.bobshell.com/update.html

and...

http://www.roanoke.com/archives/

[search under 'bob shell'].

[END OF 'UFORL' POSTING']


I corresponded frequently with Bob for a couple of years
plus and this is naturally quite a shocker.


James Easton.
 
Ages ago I noticed that the autopsy film is in exactly the same order (of events) as the alien autopsy in Quatermass and the Pit (the Hammer version). If you follow me.

Imagine my delight on reading Loren Coleman's Mysterious America and discovering that the alleged crash site is actually nearer Hobbs, New Mexico...given that the Quatermass movie is set in Hobbs Lane tube station!
 
Sky One:

Eamonn Investigates: Alien Autopsy

TUESDAY 4th APR, 20:00

Eamonn Holmes examines the credibility of a video which claims to show footage of an alien autopsy performed on extraterrestrials that crash-landed in Roswell in 1947

[edit: Moving from TV announcements to the alien autopsy tread]
 
Looks like Britain's most famous Ufological investigator* is goin to blow the lid right off this bad boy finally:

On Sky One next week:

Eamonn Investigates: Alien Autopsy

TUESDAY 4th APR, 20:00

Eamonn Holmes examines the credibility of a video which claims to show footage of an alien autopsy performed on extraterrestrials that crash-landed in Roswell in 1947

I saw a trailer and it has Ray Santilli holding up bits of unseen film showing the awful working conditions they had to work in. Boo hoo as they must have made a mint.

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See also:

The thread on the Ant and Dec film:
www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23641

Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Santilli

* No I have no idea what hat is all about either.
 
Dr. Cyril Wecht

While the Alien Autopsy film is most likely a fraud I've never been convinced that the two men performing the putative autopsy are merely actors.

When the film was first broadcast over the Fox television network in 1995 Dr. Cyril Wecht viewed the footage and delivered his opinion that the men in the film were "obviously" trained surgeons.

Now I realize that Dr. Wecht has climbed out onto some fairly shaky limbs over the decades, but nobody has EVER seriously questioned his qualifications as one of America's leading medical pathologists.

So if Wecht says that the guys in the film are trained surgeons, I have no good reason to disbelieve him.
 
Lip

The instrument tray in the Alien Autopsy film has a LIP running around it. These were not used after the late 1940s. I don't know the exact reason for their abandonment, but I suspect that lip would have been a germ-catcher.

It's always struck me as ironic that the fakers went to the trouble of tracking down a authentic instrument tray from the period but got the telephone cord wrong....
 
Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht

OldTimeRadio said:
Now I realize that Dr. Wecht has climbed out onto some fairly shaky limbs over the decades, but nobody has EVER seriously questioned his qualifications as one of America's leading medical pathologists.

Top rank professionals do make complete idiots of themselves, back in the 80s a leading historian, Hugh Trevor Roper, authenticated the Hitler Diaries for the Sunday Times newspaper, a very low point in a brilliant academic career, you don't get to be a Professor of history at Oxford and a Master of a College at Cambridge if you're not good at your subject.
 
Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht

OldTimeRadio said:
While the Alien Autopsy film is most likely a fraud I've never been convinced that the two men performing the putative autopsy are merely actors.

I suspect this will come out in the show on Tuesday (and probably in an exclusive feature in a Murdoch-owned rag tomorrow or Monday) but this:

www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 678#618678

Suggests it was Santilli and chums. They may not have even been actors although whether or not tey had some medically training is another thing I suppose but I've seen an analysis of the film with a forensic scientist looking at the techncial aspects and he said they were holding the scalpel and scissors all wrong so I'm sceptical.

Anyway we'll know in a few days.
 
Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht

Mighty_Emperor said:
"....a forensic scientist...said they were holding the scalpel and scissors all wrong...."

But it's really difficult for me to believe that Dr. Cyril Wecht would not have recognized an error so absolutely telling as "hollding the scapel and scissors all wrong."

Unless those items are held differently on opposite sides of the Atlantic?

Or do surgeons and forensics pathologists hold the instruments differently?
 
I think I saw the same program as M Emp, the professor also said how they removed and chose the "organs" was all wrong and they didn't put them in the tray correctly. I was already much more than sceptical about the film and this was just the laughable final nail in the coffin. :lol:
 
Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht

OldTimeRadio said:
Mighty_Emperor said:
"....a forensic scientist...said they were holding the scalpel and scissors all wrong...."

But it's really difficult for me to believe that Dr. Cyril Wecht would not have recognized an error so absolutely telling as "hollding the scapel and scissors all wrong."

Unless those items are held differently on opposite sides of the Atlantic?

Or do surgeons and forensics pathologists hold the instruments differently?

Being labelled an "expert" doesn't stop people from tlaking out of their arse especially when they do/don't want something to be true.

Watching the trailer and reading a bit mroe about the film it appears that the two main "surgeons" were Ray Santilli and Gary Shoefield who as far as I can tell were not medically trained.

As mentioned there are glaring problems with the whole medical aspects - where this leaves Dr. Cyril Wecht's credibility is for other people to judge. ;)
 
Dr. Cyril Wecht continued to make brilliant forensic deductions after ALIEN AUTOPSY, including the "suicide" of a young Cincinnati, Ohio, college student on holiday in Pennsylvania, which Wecht conclusively demonstrated had been murder.

I can't remember now whether Dr. Wecht claimed that the men in the film were "trained pathologists" or "trained surgeons." That's why I asked the other day if there might be a difference in technique between forensic pathologists and surgeons hurriedly pressed into the role.

"Believers" have been claiming for years that one of the two men in the film was Dr. Detlev Bronk!

My own working theory of recent years - which now seems wholly and woefully erroneous - is that the film was genuinely shot in 1947 but was merely part of some elaborate war game.

If the film is now definitely proved to be a Santilli hoax, does it mean that the so-called "tent footage" and the hieroglyph-inscribed "I-Beams" go up in smoke along with it?

P. S. Who is the THIRD man in the film, watching the "autopsy" through the window?
 
OldTimeRadio said:
Dr. Cyril Wecht continued to make brilliant forensic deductions after ALIEN AUTOPSY, including the "suicide" of a young Cincinnati, Ohio, college student on holiday in Pennsylvania, which Wecht conclusively demonstrated had been murder.

Doesn't stop him from tlaking out of his ass though ;)

I'll be able to give you a better idea tomorrow.

I'm unsure about the issue about differences between trained forensic pathologists and surgeons - although as I don't think they are either its rather a moot point.

As far as I can tell from the trailer it was a friend or relative stuck in a suit.
 
Truman

Does anyone remember the rumor which circulated widely (wildly, as it turned out) at the time of the Santilli film's first release - that the associated footage featured a very clear shot of President Harry S. Truman arriiving at the Roswell USAAF Base to examine the alien bodies and wreckage?

That was my first disillusionment.
 
Well what a bunch of jokers. They should really have come competely clean rather than throwing up extra smokescreens (claiming teh reconstructed the footage based on the original degraded film) - I supose it might stop them from getting sued into the ground.

To answer a few questions:

1. The "surgeons" were Ray and Gray as well as the special effects guy.

2. The man behind the screen was a bloke who worked in Gary's office.

Although it was all a big lie and they managed to stay on message most of the time they did get unbelievably shifty when asked to point out which bits of the film was original footage.
 
Hey Emps,

Apols if I'm being dense, but what's the source for that?

Of course, I'll probably find it in another thread in about 20 seconds, but...

dino
 
Mighty_Emperor said:
To answer a few questions:

1. The "surgeons" were Ray and Gray as well as the special effects guy.

2. The man behind the screen was a bloke who worked in Gary's office.

I doubt it.

Haven't yet had time to watch the recorded program,
however, above premise is utterly irreconcilable with the
comprehensive evidence documented during my formative
research and discussions with Ray Santilli.

Did Ray address our additional, supposedly 'first of two
alien autopsies' footage, as separately elucidated by
Philip Mantle [BUFORA], when Philip was seemingly and
exceptionally [I am unaware of any other account] granted
a viewing of same?
 
scotmedia: Can you provide more details? Santilli was certainly being shady but it was clearly as part of an effort not to come out and say it was just a complete hoax.

The only bits of the show I found unconvincing were when they tried to imply it was actually based on real footage,

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rev_dino said:
Hey Emps,

Apols if I'm being dense, but what's the source for that?

Of course, I'll probably find it in another thread in about 20 seconds, but...

It was the Sky One documentary:

www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 739#619739
 
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