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I'm off to Madeira in 4 weeks.
At around 1,000 km West of the "Pillars of Hercules" and being a massif on a huge plain, which was still volcanically active up to around 7,000 years ago, Madeira is one of the top candidates for the historical Atlantis.
The accepted history is that Madeira has only been occupied since the first Portuguese colonists landed there around 1420.

A few YouTube videos (yeah I know!) claim there are far older structures on the island though. Indeed a quick scan of the largely unoccupied interior on Google maps reveals traces of circular or rectilinear shapes, which do look extremely old and which reminded me of round shapes on Salisbury Plain only visible from the air.

I will hire a car for a couple of days and will do my best to explore the interior. Watch out for my holiday pics!
 

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Be sure to eat lots of the local cake and drink the local wine!
 

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Field trip to Madeira now sadly over.
A stunningly beautiful island and one of the nicest holidays I can recall.
We covered most of the island in our trusty little hired Fiat Punto*. Some very evocative pyramidal hills near Faial to the North East:

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One highlight of the trip for me was exploring the labyrinth of caves and lava tubes, known as Grutas de São Vicente. They were apparently formed during a huge volcanic eruption some 850,000 years ago. No sign of any prehistoric human occupation though:

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In fact, the only hard evidence of Atlantis I discovered, was this excellent (and quite pricey) local rosé wine:

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* Despite clocking up 200 or so km, much of it along narrow, rough and zig-zagging mountain roads, strewn with fallen rubble, the only puncture I got was in downtown Funchal. At home I drive a Jeep and tend to park in tight spaces by putting one huge wheel up on the kerb and then dropping down into place. Try that in a small-wheeled hatchback and wait for the hiss of a burst tyre!
 

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More dubious Atlantis stuff.

Ashley Cowie published yet another crappy article this week trying to spin mystery out of discovery in the belief that ancient history needs to be sexed up with fakery and myths to attract the attention of the public. Today’s subject is Atlantis, which Cowie understands at about the Wikipedia level of research, citing as sources Atlantipedia and an article in National Geographic. It makes me wonder why I bother researching primary sources when, apparently, one can get paid to surf the web and summarize the results like a high school book report.

The long and short of it is that some Minoan artifacts were recently discovered on the islet of Chryssi, off Crete, and Cowie decided to label them “Atlantean treasure” to make them seem sexier.
By now many of you will be tapping your fingers briskly, thinking to yourselves “so where are the artifacts from the lost continent of Atlantis?” […] [A]ccording to Atlantipedia, many archaeologists support The Minoan Hypothesis, including K.T. Frost, a professor of history at Queen's University in Belfast; archaeologist Spyridon Marinatos, and seismologist A.G. Galanopoulos. Essentially, this theory points towards the island of Crete in the Mediterranean Sea as the inspiration for Atlantis…
At the end of the article he states that Minoan treasures are “maybe” Atlantean, though he makes no effort to support the claim beyond recycling the Minoan hypothesis, which is the actual subject of his article. As with so many of his pieces, there is a brief news peg followed by a lengthy rewrite of information easily obtained from a Google search, and then a mealy-mouthed conclusion that uses weasel words to avoid actually saying anything of substance, letting rhetorical questions and “maybe” stand in place of argument and analysis.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ashley-cowie-appropriates-minoan-archaeology-for-atlantis
 

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More dubious Atlantis stuff.

Ashley Cowie published yet another crappy article this week trying to spin mystery out of discovery in the belief that ancient history needs to be sexed up with fakery and myths to attract the attention of the public. Today’s subject is Atlantis, which Cowie understands at about the Wikipedia level of research, citing as sources Atlantipedia and an article in National Geographic. It makes me wonder why I bother researching primary sources when, apparently, one can get paid to surf the web and summarize the results like a high school book report.

The long and short of it is that some Minoan artifacts were recently discovered on the islet of Chryssi, off Crete, and Cowie decided to label them “Atlantean treasure” to make them seem sexier.
By now many of you will be tapping your fingers briskly, thinking to yourselves “so where are the artifacts from the lost continent of Atlantis?” […] [A]ccording to Atlantipedia, many archaeologists support The Minoan Hypothesis, including K.T. Frost, a professor of history at Queen's University in Belfast; archaeologist Spyridon Marinatos, and seismologist A.G. Galanopoulos. Essentially, this theory points towards the island of Crete in the Mediterranean Sea as the inspiration for Atlantis…
At the end of the article he states that Minoan treasures are “maybe” Atlantean, though he makes no effort to support the claim beyond recycling the Minoan hypothesis, which is the actual subject of his article. As with so many of his pieces, there is a brief news peg followed by a lengthy rewrite of information easily obtained from a Google search, and then a mealy-mouthed conclusion that uses weasel words to avoid actually saying anything of substance, letting rhetorical questions and “maybe” stand in place of argument and analysis.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ashley-cowie-appropriates-minoan-archaeology-for-atlantis
Not very convincing was it?

It's hard to avoid the fact that Plato unambiguously described the location of Atlantis as "in the great ocean to the west of the pillars of Hercules". This, coupled with the fact that the Azores plateau, possibly extending as far as Madeira and the Canary Isles, was far larger some 10,000 years ago, surely rules out The Mediterranean hypothesis.
 
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Ireland as Atlantis!

We’ve covered Keystone University (a non-accredited, for-profit adult education facility) and its zany ideas about Ireland as Atlantis before.

Now, Anthony Woods of Keystone University has released the argument in book form, called Atlantis Ireland, with a rather ominous nationalist tagline about how the history of Ireland “has been written by her enemies.” That’s always a promising start for a supposedly sober evaluation of evidence for Atlantis.

To promote the book, Woods published a two-part discussion of its central claims on Ancient Origins. The evidence is the same as it was the last time we discussed Keystone University’s claims, but I was struck by Woods’s blatant illogic in his article and inability to see it. Consider these sequential paragraphs:
The most telling characteristic of Atlantis is that it was an island located in the Atlantic Ocean. Obviously, Ireland is an island in the Atlantic with an ancient people, language, and culture. There are an estimated 100,000 Stone Age constructions remaining in Ireland - including the most spectacular megaliths on Earth - as you would expect if they really were an advanced early civilization. Similar constructions (mounds, cairns, stone circles, dolmens, passage tombs, etc.) are found all over the world, proving that the entire world, not just Ireland, has a stunning and forgotten ancient history. ...
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/t...w-are-back-now-with-alleged-egyptian-evidence
 

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The beautiful lagoon of Sete Cidades on São Miguel Island in The Azores archipelago:

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It is the caldera of a volcano, the earliest recorded eruption of which was some time between 1439 and 1444. That is only a decade or so after the Portuguese first reached The Azores. The accounts state that "the topography of the eastern part of the island had changed radically".

A quick scan down the Wiki page shows how common volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and landslides are on The Azores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores

Perhaps that 15th century eruption, itself dramatic enough to change the shape of the island, was only a faint echo of vastly more destructive eruption(s) during the Neolithic that turned what was a contiguous plateau of land in the mid-Atlantic into the scattered archipelago we now know as The Azores?

The discovery of pre-European structures and artefacts on these islands is incredibly interesting and I hope the archaeologists will keep on digging until the enduring mystery of Atlantis is resolved.
 
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