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<headline>Scepticism over academic's Atlantis theory</headline>


Scepticism over academic's Atlantis theory online.ie 2004-08-11 17:40:03+01 A Swedish academic who believes Ireland is the ancient land of Atlantis flew into Dublin today amid a storm of controversy about his theories.Dr Ulf Erlingsson is on a three-day tour of the country to prove the Emerald Isle is actually linked with the utopian empire which was believed to have been destroyed by a flood-wave 12,000 years ago.He will visit Newgrange and Knowth passage tombs and the Hill of Tara in Co Meath which he claims were actual remnants of Atlantis as described by Greek philosopher Plato.Whether Atlantis actually existed or not has provoked heated debate among scientists and archaeologists for centuries.The myth spawned several wild theories and even sparked a 1970s TV series and more recently - a 2001 Disney movie.But a University College Galway academic dismissed Dr Erlingsson's theories as "bizarre" and added that it was "impossible to compare a mythical planet which may never have existed with a living, breathing country".Geography Department head Prof Ulf Strohmayer went on: "Mythical places like Atlantis are only there to satisfy some longing in the human psyche for a utopia-type land."We create them to tell ourselves that if we screw up on this planet human life will still live on in a better place somewhere else."But Dr Erlingsson, aged 44, hit back: "I expect to have my knockers. But we must assume that I am right until others can prove I am wrong."Dublin archaeologist Dr Ruth Johnson described Dr Erlingsson's views as "interesting" and "definitely revisionist".But she added: "It's like the Holy Grail or Noah's Ark - people will always try to prove they existed by linking them with actual places."Plato wrote that Atlantis supported a sophisticated, modern civilisation while the rest of the world was still stuck in the Stone Age.Scientists have already claimed that Atlantis could be at the bottom of the mid-Atlantic Ocean or somewhere in the Aegean Sea.But Prof Erlingsson claims in his book 'Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land' that Plato's description of Atlantis matches Ireland perfectly.He said: "Just like Atlantis, Ireland is 300 miles long, 200 miles wide, and widest over the middle."No other island on earth comes closer than Ireland to this description."Prof Erlingsson, who has a PhD in Physical Geography from Sweden's Uppsala University, specialises in geological processes, underwater research and natural disasters.

http://www.online.ie/news/latest_irish/viewer.adp?article=3145891
 
Hmmm, maybe the Dublin Fortean Society should invite him for a round of drinks at Lord Edwards.

I do hope he has better evidence than the size. What about all those circular canals, I can´t see any of those from where I´m sitting anyway. And Ireland must have changed size due to erosion on those 6000 or so years. The fact that his opponents apparently seem to think Atlantis is another planet seems odd though.
 
Hmmmm, his theory is that the story of Atlantis sinking beneath the waves is based on the inundation of the Dogger Bank c6,000BC. The people then fled to Ireland....

And the size he quotes is for the plain on which the city of Atlantis stood, not the island itself which was, supposedly, as large as Africa and Asia combined.

I don't think this theory has a lot going for it really!
 
I always thought (and hope someone will correct me) that the only "proof" of Atlantis we have are a few pages in Plato. I've always thought of Atlantis as being a metaphor or archetype rather than a real place. It amazes me how much stir those "few pages in Plato" have caused over the years.
 
Oh alright then,
it's been an in joke here for some time, but yes we are Atlanteans!

There is a tunnel under O'Connel Street (at the back of Burger King) that leads directly to Agartha where Cuchulan, Brian Boru, The Great O'Neill, Michael Collins and James Joyce plot the fortunes of the world amid technology to make a Borg cube look like a Luddite car boot sale!

There, I've said, it. I feel so cleansed!

Hang on, knock the door, back in sec....
 
NMI

Dr Pat Wallace, Director of the National Museum of Ireland also debunked it in the Irish Times last Thursday or Wednesday.
 
Blue Mountains paranormalist Rex Gilroy reckons Australia was Atlantis. Is there anywhere that hasn't yet been claimed as Atlantis?
 
Dr X said:
Blue Mountains paranormalist Rex Gilroy reckons Australia was Atlantis. Is there anywhere that hasn't yet been claimed as Atlantis?

My front room.

Realy as Leaferne said it's just a metaphor. We'd be as well looking for the location of the cave discused in The Republic :rolleyes:

I can't help but think that the whole Atlantis thing has a whiff of white supremisy about it: civalisation as a European rather than African development.
 
Maybe it got flushed down the Newgrange drain?
island_of_newgrange.jpg


From Sean Hillen's excellent Irelantis seires
 
Re: Narnia discovered in Belfast

Narnia discovered in Belfast

Actualy she lives in Glasgow, I'm going to have lunch with her later...
 
Atlantis Hunt Reveals Structures in Sea Off Cyprus

Sat 13 November, 2004 12:11

NICOSIA (Reuters) - An American researcher on the trail of the lost city of Atlantis has discovered evidence of man-made structures submerged in the sea between Cyprus and Syria, a member of his team said Saturday.

Robert Sarmast, who is convinced the fabled city lurks in the watery depths off Cyprus, will give details of his findings Sunday.

"Something has been found to indicate very strongly that there are man-made structures somewhere between Cyprus and Syria," a spokesperson for the mission told Reuters.

The mystery of Atlantis, both whether it existed and why it disappeared, has fired the imagination of explorers for decades.

Many believe the ancient civilization was destroyed in a massive flood, a cataclysm which many ancient cultures believe occurred around 9,000 BC.

Greek mythology says Atlantis was a powerful nation whose residents were so corrupted by greed and power that Zeus destroyed it.

Theories place Atlantis either somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, or the Greek island of Santorini, or off the Celtic Ridge of Britain or even further afield in the South China Sea.

Sarmast's theory is that Cyprus is the pinnacle of Atlantis, with the rest of it about a mile below sea level.

His expedition took place some 70 miles off the eastern coast of Cyprus toward Syria.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=6804176&section=news
 
How many statements in that article are doubtful or just outright wrong? I count at least six.
 
BBC pick up the thread.

New claim on location of Atlantis
By Tabitha Morgan
BBC News, Cyprus


American researchers claim to have found convincing evidence that locates the site of the lost kingdom of Atlantis off the coast of Cyprus.

The team spent six days scanning the Mediterranean sea bed between Cyprus and Syria using sonar technology.

They believe they found evidence of massive, manmade structures beneath the ocean floor, including two straight, 2-km (1.25 mile) long walls on a hill.

They say their discoveries match accounts of the city written by Plato.

'Greatest coincidence'

Team leader Robert Sarmast said the walls appear to be sited on a flat-topped hill where the temples of Atlantis once stood.

He intends to use the sonar data to make a three-dimensional computer image of the site, 1.5km below sea level, before returning for further research.

Amphoras on the seabed
Hundreds of amphora, a type of urn, were found on the seabed

"The hill, as a whole, basically looks like a walled, hillside territory and this hillside territory matches Plato's description of the Acropolis hill with perfect precision," he said.

"Even the dimensions are exactly perfect, so if all these things are coincidental, I mean, we have the world's greatest coincidence going on."

However, Mr Sarmast and his team are not alone in believing they have found the lost city of Atlantis.

Other researchers have placed it off the coast of Spain, Cuba and the south west of England, as well as under the South China Sea.

The story of Atlantis, a fabled utopia destroyed in ancient times, has captured the imagination of scholars ever since it was first described by the philosopher Plato.

Writing more than 2,000 years ago, he depicted a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4011545.stm
 
Far more definitive statements:

Last Update: Monday, November 15, 2004. 11:04am (AEDT)

We've definitely found Atlantis, researcher says

A US researcher says he has "definitely" found the lost civilisation of Atlantis in the watery deep off Cyprus, adding his theory to a mystery which has baffled explorers for centuries.

Robert Sarmast says a Mediterranean basin was flooded in a deluge about 9,000 BC, submerging a rectangular land mass he believes was Atlantis.

The land mass now lies 1.5 kilometres beneath sea level between Cyprus and Syria.

"We have definitely found it," said Mr Sarmast, who led a team of explorers 80 kilometres off the south-east coast of Cyprus this month.

He says deep water sonar scanning has indicated man-made structures - including a three-kilometre-long wall, a walled hill summit and deep trenches - on a submerged hill.

Mr Sarmast says further explorations are needed.

"We cannot yet provide tangible proof in the form of bricks and mortar as the artefacts are still buried under several metres of sediment but the circumstantial and other evidence is irrefutable," he said.

At a news conference in the port city of Limassol, Mr Sarmast provided only animated simulations of the "hill".

Whether and where Atlantis existed has captured imaginations for centuries.

According to ancient Greek philosopher Plato, Atlantis was an island nation where an advanced civilisation developed about 11,500 years ago.

Theories abound as to why it disappeared, from Atlantis being hit by a cataclysmic natural disaster to Greek mythology which describes the civilisation as being so corrupted by greed and power that it was destroyed by God.

Sceptics believe Atlantis was a figment of Plato's imagination.

Mr Sarmast says he was led to Cyprus by clues in Plato's dialogues.

Plato's reference to Atlantis lying opposite the Pillars of Hercules - believed to be the Straits of Gibraltar - have often led explorers to focus on either the Atlantic Ocean, Ireland or the Azores off Portugal.

"People who dismiss this have not really done their homework, sceptics don't really understand," Mr Sarmast said.

"To understand the enigma of Atlantis you have to have good knowledge of ancient history, Biblical references, the Sumerian culture and their tablets and so on."

Although the most prevailing story of a world cataclysm is listed in the Biblical Old Testament, several ancient cultures do list accounts of civilisations being destroyed in floods.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1243509.htm
 
The Man From Atlantis

And this appears to make me a genuine, bona fide, honest to goodness Atlantean. I haven't really thought what to do with my new found status but I think going to those QuestCon meetings and telling people that they are warong and I know they are wrong because I am from Atlantis.

I am also considering:

  • Impregnating impresionable hippy women
  • Selling a bucket of beach pebbles as the last remnants of lost Atlantis

But mainly heckling for now.
 
sunsplash: Sweet - I'm in. If there isn't one for impreganting impresionable hippies I'll start one.

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Anyway reproduction of a posting by Benny Peiser:

SWALLOWING THE GREAT ATLANTIS HOAX: THE INEVITABLE DEBACLE OF UNBALANCED SCIENCE REPORTING

Benny Peiser <[email protected]>

It was bound to happen again. After this summer's media headlines about 'UFO crash caused Tunguska disaster', the mainstream media (MSM) has fallen once again for a scientific hoax and swallowed every word of it hook, line and sinker. This morning, the world's chief media outlets (Reuters, AP, AFP, PA) to name just the major press agencies report that Robert Sarmast, an American architect and amateur explorer, has discovered the mythological island of Atlantis off the coast of Cyprus.

Of course, the 'discovery' of Atlantis has been announced thousands of times. The latest one is not entirely new either. Mr Sarmast, "a self-proclaimed mythologist" (The Daily Telegraph), published his theory more than a year ago. At the time, he predicted that his next expedition would actually discover the lost island: "This is going to rewrite the history books. We are set to make the biggest archaeological discovery of all time." And bingo, the self-fulfilling prophecy has become a much celebrated media reality reported around the world!

Mr Sarmast claims that images taken by deep water sonar scanning 'indicate' man-made structures, including a 3-kilometer-long wall at a depth of 1,500 meter. However, his selective interpretation is nothing more than the blinkered reading of very ambiguous and unconvincing images. Anyone with a critical eye can pick out that these images are far too vague and uncertain to be regarded as compelling evidence for any man-made structures.

Mr Sarmast's scam was roundly rejected last year by Despo Pilides, an archaeologist at the Department of Antiquities in Cyprus: "This latest theory should be taken with a very large pinch of salt. Archaeologists only work with hard evidence. There is no evidence whatsoever to give credence to this hypothesis and we have no intention of investigating it."

The unreserved dismissal is not only due to the lack of *any* empirical evidence. The very foundation on which the hoax is based is completely bogus. According his theory, Mr Sarmast claims that the Mediterranean basin was 'flooded in a deluge around 9,000 BC which submerged a rectangular land mass he believes was Atlantis...' The problem is: there is no evidence whatsoever for any large-scale flooding of the Mediterranean basin at that time. In fact, the break of a once existing barrier at the Strait of Gibraltar that separated the Atlantic Ocean form the Mediterranean Sea occurred some 5.4 million ago - and not at the end of the ice age!

It the past, Atlantis discoveries used to be treated with a high degree of scepticism and essentially left to the fringe and New Age media. Today, it almost looks as if large sections of the mainstream media have become the new outlets for sensationalist pseudo-science. Radical environmentalists have called upon the media to abandon all balanced science reporting because impartial journalism would give sceptics too much credibility. The media's Atlantis debacle is a clear and disturbing indication where uninhibited science journalism could end once the shackles of even-handedness and scepticism are shaken off for good.

Benny Peiser
Liverpool
15 November 2004

Most of the rest is reproductions from news reports (some of which are reproduced here):
http://anthropology.tamu.edu/downloads/AtlantisHoax.htm

Benny Peiser? Who he???

Benny Peiser is a UK social anthropologist, and a believer in scientific progress' ability to help us work our way round ecological disasters. Popular in the media as he is an "expert" on near-earth asteroids.

"Apocalyptics typically exaggerate the possible dangers we may face in the future while ignoring or underestimating the probability of finding a social, technological or medical remedy for the predicament." [1]

* Senior Lecturer in Social Anthropology & Sport Sociology, Liverpool John Moores University
* Main research interests:
o societal evolution and neo-catastrophism
o social implications of historical impact disasters and the current impact hazard
o ritualised and sanctioned violence
o origins and evolution of sport

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Benny_Peiser

If you do a search here for him you'll find 4 (now 5) threads mainly meteors, NEAR, Tunguska, etc.
 
This is a more important question:

How Often Is Atlantis Discovered?

The lost city that's always being found.
By Brendan I. Koerner

Posted Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2004, at 4:01 PM PT

American architect-turned-archaeologist Robert Sarmast claims to have discovered the lost city of Atlantis, off the southeast coast of Cyprus. Sarmast says his latest sonar readings reveal submerged walls that closely resemble those described by Plato, the first person to ever mention Atlantis in print. In Timaeus, written around 360 B.C., the renowned philosopher portrayed Atlantis as "a great and wonderful empire" that was destroyed by earthquakes and floods in a 24-hour span. How many times have researchers previously claimed to have discovered the vanished island-state?

Oodles—and that's not even counting the numerous psychics and crackpot "Atlantologists" who've placed the city everywhere from Nicaragua to Ceylon. The hunt began in earnest in the early 19th century, when Guatemalan Dr. Paul Felix Cabrera proposed that Hispaniola—the island where Haiti and the Dominican Republic are now found—was the site of Atlantis. Several researchers—such as the husband-and-wife team of Augustus Le Plongeon and Alice Dixon—speculated that Atlantis had been located near Mexico, based on their interpretation of Mayan codices that supposedly mentioned a lost island continent. The Mayans, the theory went, had interacted with the ancient Egyptians, who in turn passed the tale of Atlantis down to the ancient Greeks. This line of conjecture has been discredited over the years, in part because of a lack of physical evidence, and in part because it later became obvious that the early Mayanologists didn't fully understand the culture's complex hieroglyphs.

The world went atwitter in 1912 when a man calling himself Paul Schliemann published an article titled "How I Found the Lost Atlantis" in William Randolph Hearst's New York American. Schliemann claimed to be the grandson of Heinrich Schliemann, the archaeologist who excavated Troy. He wrote that his grandfather had passed down Trojan artifacts that revealed Atlantis' true location, submerged in the Atlantic Ocean between Europe and the United States. (The Azores were supposedly the tips of Atlantean mountains.) Schliemann disappeared soon after the publication of his fantastic account, however, and it's now widely viewed as one of the great "yellow journalism" hoaxes.

The British explorer Col. Percy Harrison Fawcett thought he'd solved the mystery in the 1920s, when he argued that Atlantis might have been located in the rain forests of Brazil. (He apparently based this belief on a stone idol he was given as a gift, which had reputedly come from a lost city in the Amazon.) Fawcett embarked on an expedition to find Atlantis in 1925, delving deep into the Brazilian back country; he was never seen again.

Almost a half-century later, a pair of reputable archaeologists, A.G. Galanopoulos and Edward Bacon, published Atlantis: The Truth Behind the Legend, which suggested that Atlantis was, in fact, the Greek island of Santorini. The island's Minoan population, they noted, was likely wiped out by a massive volcanic eruption circa 1450 B.C., a cataclysm that may have inspired Plato's tales of Atlantis being wiped out by floods. (Tsunamis, or gigantic tidal waves, are a direct aftereffect of volcanic eruptions that occur near water.)

A Soviet oceanographer added his own theory to the pile in 1979, when he charted a sunken plateau about 560 miles off the western coast of Portugal. He claimed to have "spotted almost clearly half-demolished walls and giant stairs" and added that the geological shape of the site closely paralleled that described by Plato. The last word came in 1985, when a piece of marble recovered from the ocean was supposedly being taken to the Soviet Academy of Sciences for top-level analysis. And that, apparently, was the end of the Soviets' involvement in the search.

The past year has been a particularly active one for Atlantologists. Aside from Sarmast's discovery, a German physicist, Rainer Kuehne, claimed in June that Atlantis was merely a region in southern Spain, near Cadiz. He based his conclusion on satellite imagery, which reveals a large marshy area surrounded by what appears to be concentric rings of Earth or water—geographic details that Plato noted.

Another European scientist, Swedish geographer Ulf Erlingsson, argued earlier this year that Atlantis wasn't near the Mediterranean at all but was actually Ireland. He says the Emerald Isle's size syncs up nicely with Plato's estimate and that the destruction myth was inspired by the submerging of Dogger Bank, a North Sea shoal, around 6100 B.C.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109823/
 
The Hoax Detective

November 23, 2004
By JOHN JURGENSEN, Courant Staff Writer

Have you heard?

The lost land of Atlantis has been discovered. Again.

In a press conference last week, a U.S. researcher named Robert Sarmast announced that his six-day expedition had detected evidence of man-made structures on the Mediterranean seabed off Cyprus. Not only had sonar scanners picked up the ghostly contours of walls and trenches on a rectangular landmass, he said, but these features matched the descriptions in the original account of Atlantis.

In the years before he died in 347 B.C., the Greek philosopher Plato wrote about Atlantis as a wildly advanced civilization that was wiped out in a flash 9,000 years before his time.

"We cannot yet provide tangible proof in the form of bricks and mortar, as the artifacts are still buried under several meters of sediment," Sarmast said in an accompanying press release, "but the circumstantial and other evidence is now irrefutable."

When he read about this declaration on the BBC's website, Kenneth Feder didn't even have to get out of his desk chair to dispute it.

An archaeologist who has taught at Central Connecticut State University for more than 25 years, Feder rejects Sarmast's claim and the countless others that have come before it with the same simple argument - namely, that Atlantis' only location was in the imagination of the man who first described it.

But that rationale hasn't prevented Feder from using the myth for his own purposes.

"My agenda is to use this stuff to teach what we really know about the past," he says.

Feder, who lives in West Simsbury, focuses most of his own field work along the Farmington River, unearthing evidence of the Indians and settlers who subsisted there. But through the years, Feder has nurtured an expertise in historical hooey on the side.

First published in 1990, his book "Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology" is about to go into its fifth edition. Last month he lectured on Atlantis at a gathering of skeptics in Italy. And he holds forth on the watery mystery in a documentary scheduled for broadcast at 10 p.m. Wednesday on the National Geographic Channel program "Naked Science."

Tucked in his stuffed campus office where the "Donner Party Cookbook" sits on a shelf below a cartoon of a pre-human Homer Simpson, Feder says he makes one demand of Atlantis enthusiasts.

"My rule is you can't even use the word Atlantis in a sentence unless you can tell me you've read Plato."

The legend of the lost continent emerges in dialogues between Socrates and his students that Plato wrote down. The point that many people miss, Feder says, is that most of these instructive dialogues were fictional, like conversations between characters in a play.

"Atlantis is a plot device. Plato has a very specific agenda in his mind, and he needs Atlantis to prove what he's trying to say," Feder says.

The student Critias tells his teacher the "true" story of the powerful but morally corrupt land of Atlantis, which goes to war with the weak but noble Athens. The evil empire gets whipped in battle by its worthier opponent before eventually getting swallowed in a cataclysm of floods and eruptions,

"That is the Atlantis story told by Plato," Feder says. "It's `Star Wars' circa 350 B.C."

That's the line that a producer wanted Feder to use in a documentary a few years ago. But there was a catch. Would Feder be willing to tailor his yarn to make Atlantis seem real? Or at least leave its existence open-ended?

Feder refused and soon discovered that the "documentary film" was in fact a glorified advertisement for the 2001 animated Disney movie "Atlantis: The Lost Empire." Feder says several of his colleagues who had signed on unwittingly later watched in horror as their drastically edited words were spliced with cartoon scenes of underwater action.

But maybe that kind of appropriation explains why the legend still lingers. Severed long ago from the context that a famous Greek gave it, Atlantis becomes a ghost story, a lost treasure, a mysterious monster.

"For a lot of people, this would just be really cool if it were true," Feder says. "It would be really cool if Bigfoot were real. I don't really know that it is or isn't, but it's cool to tell stories about it at 2 in the morning."

The big legends wax and wane with the years. The Bermuda Triangle. Ancient astronauts. The UFO encounters at Roswell. But Feder thinks he's seen an increase in people's belief in the unbelievable.

The professor often starts new classes with a survey, asking students about their take on certain aspects of history. Twenty years ago, about 30 percent of his students said that Atlantis existed. But by 2000, almost half of the surveyed students were believers.

"I think that pattern directly reflects how many documentaries on [pseudoscientific subjects] show up on television, especially cable TV," Feder says.

Whether the media drives public interest or vice versa, it's obvious that legends like Atlantis will always hold cultural currency.

Perhaps that's why Robert Sarmast, who gave up a career in architecture to pursue Atlantis, rushed to announce his findings to the international press instead of trying to publish them in a peer-reviewed journal, the only way to secure credibility in the scientific community.

"I'm going to assume that the guy's honest and sincere and he really thinks there's this connection," Feder says of Sarmast. "But for anyone looking at it from the outside, there just isn't enough information."

But the mere mention of Atlantis is enough to tingle the curiosity of even the staunchest skeptics.

"If this guy simply said, `Oh, we found some interesting artifacts and features off the coast of Cyprus,' you wouldn't be here asking me about it."

Source
 
rynner said:
Hancock's "Underworld" has loads of info on all of the above!

The Cayce prediction was 'fulfilled' when some Cayce supporters discovered the 'Bimini road', underwater in the Bahamas. Still much debate about what this really is, but it looks artificial to me.

The scientific evidence shows that the sea level rise after the last ice age was not steady (which would have been just centimetres per year), but happened in 3 major phases.

Didn't Edgar Cayce say that Atlantis had 3 disasters, Could that be invloved with the 3 major floods you mentioned in the post.


Most I've read on Atlantis is a few articles and those Plato dialogues I read online. Also read Edgar Cayce on Atlantis.

Edgar Cayce sounded like a good person though.

Old Thread I know but I like reading about Atlantis. ;)

Edgar Cayce said he also got his Information about things like Atlantis from the akashic records.
 
May I just say as someone of Portuguese/Cape Verdean descent that I have been to Cape Verde and the sorrounding islands. And it is obvious that Cape Verde, as well as the Azores, Madeira and the Canary Islands and all of these places are A) Mountainous...basically, they are inhabited MOUNTAINS B) they are all broken up into smaller islands with parts that have been submerged for perhaps, thousands of years and C) A lot of the wildlife is NOT indigenous to the areas.
I have harbored the possibility that these islands are all that is left of one big submerged island that once sat between North American and Africa.
It would have been VERY easy for the victims of an Atlantis-like island in that area to escape to either North America, Africa, or even India...etc.
It is not impossible and it would explain a lot of geological factors as well, like the fact that Cape Verde is relatively dry and experience periodic droughts and is Volcanic...as well as the other places mentioned.
Just a thought.
 
the thing that irks me is when people claim to have found Atlantis at various places all around the world, even in the meditaranean itself.

If you take the story of Atlantis at face value then the same story says it lies beyond Gibralter and out into the Atlantic. You cant just selectively choose a diferent location that disagrees with the source material which is after all your only source on Atlantis.
 
unless of course you do an amazing job of explaining why Plato was wrong about the location but amazingly accurate about everything else.
 
If there is NO evidence for Atlantis beside Plato's story why waste time trying to find it?

If there existed a Atlantis there should have been survivor stories from all over the world.
Some people would of course survive this catastrophe.
 
Found this interesting link about a map of Atlantis which might have been hammered into a stone:
http://www.mythicalireland.com/anci...ncientsites/knowth/atlantis-map-in-knowth.php

Is Plato's Atlantis map in Knowth, asks Swedish academic

A four-feet granite stone basin in the Eastern passage of Knowth may be engraved with a map of the city of Atlantis, as Plato described it. The three concentric circles match the three concentric lakes of Atlantis. A copy of the stone is displayed in the Boyne Valley visitor centre (see photo).

The similarity was noted by Dr. Ulf Erlingsson, who visited Knowth last month. His book Atlantis from a Geographer’s Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land will be released in Europe September 30 th (16.95). Plato described an inner island 5 stadia in diameter, surrounded by a circular lake 1 stade wide.
 
I don't see what the fuss about Atlantis is at all: it's clearly an allegory, of the sort Plato uses all the time. Nobody goes on expeditions to find chariots of the soul, or whatever.
 
James H said:
I don't see what the fuss about Atlantis is at all: it's clearly an allegory, of the sort Plato uses all the time. Nobody goes on expeditions to find chariots of the soul, or whatever.

How do you know it's an allegory of Plato? Was a Library in Eygpt that got destroyed with the scrolls in it maybe there was some hostroy about it in there.

There are sunken islands though.
 
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