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On ancient maps many places were called Pillars of Hercules. That name was attached to several narrow straits with high headlands on either side. The most famous one, and the one that stuck, was Gibraltar, but some old maps also show the Straits of Messina, Hormuz, and Dardanelles with the same name. Plato states the story was told to him by his grandfather, who in turn heard it from Egyptian priests. This supports the Santorini hypothesis, as the Thera explosion is well recorded in Egyptian hieroglyphics.
 

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Anchors get lost all the time. But a 'cluster' of six doesn't seem to prove much. A sunken harbour and/or buildings would be much more interesting.
 

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This a bit Dänikeny in places, but the information about sea level rise over the last 10,000 years is very illuminating and makes a strong case for Atlantis being centred on The Azores:

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey.php
That is interesting. FWIW, I had considered the Azores as a prime possibility for the location of Atlantis, but the geologists said that the area around them had been underwater for too long. That, plus there being no evidence of human habitation prior to their discovery by the Portuguese in the mid-1400's made me discount them as the possible location.

Then in one of other threads that I started here, someone mentioned some discoveries made concerning ancient human habitation in the Azores that has made me re-think this idea.

Does this prove that the Azores were Atlantis? Of course not. But it does give me pause.
 

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"the geologists said that the area around them had been underwater for too long."

But given how extremely tectonically active the Azores microplate is, with many major volcanic eruptions and earthquakes recorded since the European occupation of the islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores), it must be nigh-on impossible to estimate how much land was above sea level 10,000 years ago.
 

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This is an intersting video, I think It doesn't prove anything, of course, but it does present us with an intersting hypothesis.

 

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This is an intersting video, I think It doesn't prove anything, of course, but it does present us with an intersting hypothesis.

It would help the video's credibility if they didn't intersperse photos from other sites throughout. The one at around 3:00, for example, is (apparently) Port Royal. Instead they're suggesting that the Doggerland site is filled with fantastic ruins.
 
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Another article on thera: when did the island blow it's top?

When did a massive volcano blow this island to bits and rock the ancient world?
By Lizzie WadeAug. 15, 2018 , 2:00 PM

Hundreds of years before the Trojan War, the volcanic island of Thera in the Aegean Sea blew its top in an explosion that rocked the ancient world. Sixty times greater than the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens in Washington, the blast completely buried the Theran town of Akrotiri and sent 12-meter-high tsunamis hurtling toward the heart of the Minoan civilization on Crete, 110 kilometers to the south. Some authors have even speculated that the Atlantis myth may stem from a cultural memory of the cataclysm.

But when exactly did it happen? The eruption spread ash across the eastern Mediterranean, so a precise date could pin down the chronologies of ancient cultures including the Greeks, Minoans, and Egyptians. Archaeologists and radiocarbon daters have battled fiercely over the timing. By correlating Egyptian records and pottery, archaeologists put the eruption as early as 1500 B.C.E. But radiocarbon dates from Akrotiri and nearby sites, including an olive tree buried by the eruption, pointed to a date more than 100 years earlier, in the late 17th century B.C.E. ...

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...ly_2018-08-15&et_rid=394299689&et_cid=2268947
 

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Frustratingly brief video and somewhat irritating voiceover, but the evidence of a substantial plateau, which would have been above sea level in supposedly Atlantean times does stack up the evidence for Atlantis being centred on what we now call the Azores. The underwater terrain showing perpendicular lines certainly hints at infrastructure and civilisation.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weir...0-mile-undersea-land-mass-Google-Earth-Azores
 
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Frustratingly brief video and somewhat irritating voiceover, but the evidence of a substantial plateau, which would have been above sea level in supposedly Atlantean times does stack up the evidence for Atlantis being centred on what we now call the Azores. The underwater terrain showing perpendicular lines certainly hints at infrastructure and civilisation.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weir...0-mile-undersea-land-mass-Google-Earth-Azores
Might they be tracks from drag netting?
 

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Might they be tracks from drag netting?
Honestly no idea.
Just thought the image bore some resemblance to pictures of the underwater ruins off the Indian coast.
Would like some corroboration as to how much of the land around the Azores would have been above sea level say 10 to 12 thousand years ago. Surely Hancock's looked into this?
 

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Couple of interesting video interviews here, featuring Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. The second gives a fairly detailed description of how glacial weight over North America during the last ice age would have caused the Azores plateau to rise. Thus there was likely to have been a very substantial land mass centred on the Azores for perhaps 10,000 years. The Gulf Stream would have ensured a benign climate too, conducive to the rise of civilisation. At the end of the Ice Age, a combination of dramatic sea-level rise through the melted ice and the released pressure over North America resulting in the Azores plateau sinking, through a sort of see-saw effect (isostatic adjustment is the technical term), has reduced this once huge land mass to what we see today as the Azores. These are referred to in the video as "the mountain tops of Atlantis".

https://www.azores-pyramid.org/
 
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Honestly no idea.
Just thought the image bore some resemblance to pictures of the underwater ruins off the Indian coast.
Would like some corroboration as to how much of the land around the Azores would have been above sea level say 10 to 12 thousand years ago. Surely Hancock's looked into this?
An idle thought. Plus there's a lot of clandestine undersea activity going on, prospecting, surveillance, seeing how close you can sneak up to another power's seaboard and so on.
 

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A reconstruction of the Azores plateau in approximately 10,000 BC, based on our knowledge of sea-level rise/isostatic adjustment that occurred at the end of the last ice age.
Basically, everything shown not in blue would have been above sea-level so, instead of today's 9 Azores islands, there would have been one contiguous land mass measuring around 420 miles wide by 200 miles North to South.

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A reconstruction of the Azores plateau in approximately 10,000 BC, based on our knowledge of sea-level rise/isostatic adjustment that occurred at the end of the last ice age.
Basically, everything shown not in blue would have been above sea-level so, instead of today's 9 Azores islands, there would have been one contiguous land mass measuring around 420 miles wide by 200 miles North to South.

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Thanks for finding that.
I wonder if anybody's thought of exploring the sea bed around the Azores to find any traces of an ancient civilisation?
 

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Thanks for finding that.
I wonder if anybody's thought of exploring the sea bed around the Azores to find any traces of an ancient civilisation?
From around 2013, there have been accounts of underwater pyramids detected between Pico and Terceiro islands and some images taken from the air seem to display perpendicular lines suggestive of infrastructure. There are several videos on YouTube, but watch out for some silly ones with images of Egyptian pyramids Photoshoped to look underwater. Analysis is ongoing, so fingers crossed for evidence supporting man-made structures.
There are a few crumbling pyramid-like structures and other megalithic artefacts on the Azores (see link below), which are certainly testimony to pre-European occupation of the islands so, given the far larger land mass in extreme antiquity, it would be surprising if some artificial structures were not now submerged.

http://portuguese-american-journal....presence-before-portuguese-occupation-azores/
 

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I am always surprised at the sheer volume of Atlantis "scholarship" out there.

When I was a kid the Bimini hypothesis was in vogue. It had the following unusual things to recommend it:
The Fountain of Youth (note lack of wheelchair access):
http://www.bahamasgeotourism.com/content/the-fountain-of-youth/bah56F591B3217804642

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth

The Bimini Road:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road

The Bimini Pyramid:
https://www.trinfinity8.com/underwater-crystal-pyramids-of-the-world/

The Bimini Crystal:
http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalpyr.html

Those amazing Blue Holes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_hole

The Bermuda Triangle (obviously some rogue Atlantean defense):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle

And the program that started my childhood interest in Forteana on the topic:

Dear old Leonard Nimoy.

I confess it all seems a lot less credible now than it did back then with the wide eyes of childhood. These days I am more inclined to consider that "Beyond the pillars of Hercules" could easily mean the Iberian Atlantic coast. There are a number of settlements that fit the bill surprisingly well, complete with three ringed harbors. I would be more accepting of the Santorini hypothesis if someone could show how it lay beyond the pillars.

Incidentally as a trivia spot, the dollar symbol may well have been symbolically drawn from the Pillars of Hercules as depicted on Spanish currency:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign
 
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I am always surprised at the sheer volume of Atlantis "scholarship" out there.

When I was a kid the Bimini hypothesis was in vogue. It had the following unusual things to recommend it:
The Fountain of Youth (note lack of wheelchair access):
http://www.bahamasgeotourism.com/content/the-fountain-of-youth/bah56F591B3217804642

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth

The Bimini Road:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road

The Bimini Pyramid:
https://www.trinfinity8.com/underwater-crystal-pyramids-of-the-world/

The Bimini Crystal:
http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalpyr.html

Those amazing Blue Holes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_hole

The Bermuda Triangle (obviously some rogue Atlantean defense):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle

And the program that started my childhood interest in Forteana on the topic:

Dear old Leonard Nimoy.

I confess it all seems a lot less credible now than it did back then with the wide eyes of childhood. These days I am more inclined to consider that "Beyond the pillars of Hercules" could easily mean the Iberian Atlantic coast. There are a number of settlements that fit the bill surprisingly well, complete with three ringed harbors. I would be more accepting of the Santorini hypothesis if someone could show how it lay beyond the pillars.

Incidentally as a trivia spot, the dollar symbol may well have been symbolically drawn from the Pillars of Hercules as depicted on Spanish currency:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign
Santorini, quite apart from being the wrong side of the Pillars of Hercules, always struck me as being far too small and far too recent to tally with Plato's account.
 

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Interesting idea...a feature called The Eye of the Sahara (aka the Richat Structure) may be a candidate for the location of Atlantis (or so the video says - I don't buy it myself)....
I wonder whether this YouTube nimrod was basing his video on the prior nominations (of the Richat Structure) from either or both:

George Alexander adnd Natailis Rosen
http://visitingatlantis.com/

or

George Sarantitis
http://platoproject.gr/
 
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