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Anyone know of any recent cases of missing planes and ships, and/or abandoned ships in the area known as the Bermuda Triangle?
McAvennie said:I remember reading a great book that kind of explained it for me, it said that a section of the sea round there (the Sargassian Sea?) has a large amount of seaweed type stuff in it (cant remember what the technical name for it is) that creates gas bubbles that lierally suck things into it.
Someone with a brain will likely know the clever stuff behind that ramble..
Mr. R.I.N.G. said:Is there anybody on board who is still convinced of the Bermuda Triangle? What is the compelling reported phenomenon besides statistics and the "lost squadron"?
James Whitehead said:The notion of the Bermuda Triangle was a massive popular success
and the term has even entered the language as a metaphore.
Unfortunately Berlitz's book has been blasted out of the water time
after time not for being inaccurate or careless but for being a great
steaming heap of lies. Some ships appear to have been made up
while others were wrecked thousands of miles away!
We are left with the fact that some stretches of water are hazardous
to shipping. Cor!
James Whitehead said:The notion of the Bermuda Triangle was a massive popular success
and the term has even entered the language as a metaphore.
Unfortunately Berlitz's book has been blasted out of the water time
after time not for being inaccurate or careless but for being a great
steaming heap of lies. Some ships appear to have been made up
while others were wrecked thousands of miles away!
We are left with the fact that some stretches of water are hazardous
to shipping. Cor!
Some scientists wonder if giant gas bubbles could be sucking ships beneath the Bermuda Triangle.
A Hollywood special effects master, armed with a physicist, air compressors, hoses, and a heavy boat, came to the Gulf Coast to prove it could be true.
Wednesday, workers re-enacted a science experiment that led to the gas bubble hypothesis. They forced compressed air through an underwater grid, forcing bubbles to the surface and, after five tries, sucking a Sea Ray cruiser under the water.
"I knew it was going to sink," said Philip Beck, 12, whose father, Phil, orchestrated the event. "It was going down!"
The experiment had been carried out in tubs with tiny boats, but never on the sea with a lifesize boat.
"It was doing it out on the ocean. That was the key," said Steve Wilkinson, an executive producer with the BBC, which filmed the event. "It's one thing to test in a tank, but to do it out in the water with currents … is another."
The BBC and the Discovery Channel contracted Phil Beck, who owns Awesome FX, a special effects company, and physicist Bruce Denardo to test the theory for a film expected to be released next year.
"We're looking at the Bermuda Triangle mysteries with fresh eyes," said BBC Executive Producer Steve Wilkinson. "There is background to some of the myths."
Methane Bubbles Could Sink Ships, Scientists Find
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By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Methane bubbles from the sea floor could, in theory, sink ships and may explain the odd disappearances of some vessels, Australian researchers reported on Tuesday.
The huge bubbles can erupt from undersea deposits of solid methane, known as gas hydrates. An odorless gas found in swamps and mines, methane becomes solid under the enormous pressures found on deep sea floors.
The ice-like methane deposits can break off and become gaseous as they rise, creating bubbles at the surface.
David May and Joseph Monaghan of Monash University in Australia said they had demonstrated how a giant bubble from one of these deposits could swamp a ship.
"Sonar surveys of the ocean floor in the North Sea (between Britain and continental Europe) have revealed large quantities of methane hydrates and eruption sites," May and Monaghan wrote in their report, published in the American Journal of Physics.
"A recent survey revealed the presence of a sunken vessel within the center of one particularly large eruption site, now known as the Witches Hole."
"One proposed sinking mechanism attributes the vessel's loss of buoyancy to bubbles of methane gas released from an erupting underwater hydrate," they wrote." The known abundance of gas hydrates in the North Sea, coupled with the vessel's final resting position and its location in the Witches Hole, all support a gas bubble theory."
No one has ever seen such an eruption and no one knows how large the bubbles coming off a methane deposit would be.
May and Monaghan created a model of a single large bubble coming up under a ship. They trapped water between vertical glass plates, launched gas bubbles from the bottom and used a video camera to record what happened to an acrylic "hull" floating on the surface.
"Whether or not the ship will sink depends on its position relative to the bubble. If it is far enough from the bubble, it is safe," they wrote.
"If it is exactly above the bubble, it also is safe, because at a stagnation point of the flow the boat is not carried into the trough. The danger position is between the bubble's stagnation point and the edge of the mound where the trough formed," they concluded. ).
Now, that was odd. The same type of plane, different flights, different accidents, different years even, and all ending up so close together, 785ft down, that the investigators (thinking they were all from the same flight), were speculating on how they'd all managed to crash dive into the sea at precisely the same time, virtually in formation.Goldstein said:Apparently a team with a submersible has found 5 sunken Avengers clustered together near where they thought Flight 19 should have sunk, but examination of the numbers on the tailfins proved they were not Flight 19, but in fact 5 planes which sunk on different occasions and only coincidentally ended up so close together.
Originally posted by Resologist
As for the disappearance of ships by the sudden release of methane gas from the seabed, I must laugh. Is there any evidence of this ever happening, with or without any ships sinking amidst the bubbles?
There was some footage from the 1990's of a North Sea Oil rig tilted over and nearly swallowed up by just such a release of gas on the programme. It get's a mention in the article below. So there is some evidence of sinking due to a methane 'blowout'.Resologist said:As for the disappearance of ships by the sudden release of methane gas from the seabed, I must laugh. Is there any evidence of this ever happening, with or without any ships sinking amidst the bubbles?