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Some of the incidents from the Broadhaven Triangle UFO flap always struck me as rather peculiar ... Never really understood why an intrepid UFOnaut would come all that way just to stand pressed up against the Coombs family's living room window on the off chance that he could give them a good scare should they open the curtains. The bit about the UFO flying through a set of giant doors which opened in Stack Rocks sounds weird too - surely a few more people would have noticed?
 
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I think the Broadhaven story, creepy though it may be, might have been "exposed" as a hoax. You know, in that way that people confess, about twenty years after the event. Some local claimed that he had got lathered in the pub, then stood outside the window shining a torch round the hood of his anorak.

To be honest, this sounds more unlikely than a blank faced alien, but it takes all sorts.
 
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MrHyde said:
I think the Broadhaven story, creepy though it may be, might have been "exposed" as a hoax. You know, in that way that people confess, about twenty years after the event. Some local claimed that he had got lathered in the pub, then stood outside the window shining a torch round the hood of his anorak.

Thanks for that! I've also read in one or two books that the Coombs family could be considered less than trustworthy in some of the details of their account of the happenings at the farm as well (can't dig any out at the moment, I'm afraid - most of my spooky things books are in a box in my parents' loft!) It's still a weird account though, whatever the truth! Some other details are coming back to me; as well as the UFO entering Stack Rocks, there was also a report of silver-suited figures seen clambering around on the Rock's surface (maybe something had fallen off their ship and they were were looking for it ;) ), the boy who was chased home by an alien which seemed to suddenly "pop up" beside him, and the two strange men in a silver car who were encountered asking questions about where the family was.

I can still remember seeing the report, covering the UFO and occupant landing by the school, on John Craven's Newsround - seemed terribly exciting at the time, and I wished that something like that could happen at our school. Changed my mind after getting "The Dyfedd Enigma" out of the library - one or two sleepless nights after that one!

Edited to add: I've also remembered that, during the mid-late 80s, I was at university in Cardiff with a girl from Nolton Haven, near Broadhaven and well within the area of activity. She was adamant that her mother had seen a cigar shaped UFO fly over their house at some point in the past - no dates unfortunately. Apart from that, she never showed any other interest in Forteana and wierdness - indeed, the whole idea of space travel and other planets freaked her out somewhat.
 
This relevant post copied from:
Personal UFO Encounter
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/personal-ufo-encounter.24833/



What year was this sighting? Wondering if it had anything to do with the Welsh Triangle events in about 1977... just found this updated info on that:
May 28, 2005
UFO sightings sparked secret MoD investigation

A SPATE of UFO sightings in Wales prompted a secret Ministry of Defence investigation, newly-released information has revealed.

The clamour around the possibility of "little green men" visiting Pembrokeshire forced Government officials to look into the situation in the late 1970s.

There were numerous tabloid reports, including one of an entire class of schoolchildren claiming to have seen a UFO landing.

Many others reported being petrified by a strange silver alien.

It all happened in what became known as the Broad Haven Triangle.

Canny tourist operators even started running UFO sighting weekends.

But new documents show despite publicly dismissing the reports as hoaxes, defence experts were racing to get answers.

In a letter from May 1977, MoD minister Dr John Gilbert MP tells officials in the department, "I am being inundated at the present time with representations about UFOs said to have been seen in Pembrokeshire."

He asks whether any investigations are being carried out.

A reply tells the minister, "We look into detailed reports of unexplained phenomena to see if they have a bearing on the national defences."

But they reassured we were not in danger of alien takeover, saying, "My department has carried out that type of investigation on the reports received from Wales, but these have been few in recent months.

"No evidence has been revealed to suggest that the alleged sightings in Wales, or indeed those reported from other parts of Great Britain in the past, contained anything of significance from a defence point of view.

"All I can tell you on the basis of the department's past experience, is that most reports of this nature can usually be referred to a commonplace object, which may have been observed perhaps from an unusual angle or in somewhat unusual weather or lighting conditions."

[So far, so typical!]

However, unbeknown to the minister, the RAF in West Wales was asked to carry out a "discreet" investigation.

An extract of a private memorandum to the Provost and Security Service of the RAF, (effectively the military police), reads, "I should be grateful if you would have a look at these papers and let me know whether you think some sort of discreet inquiry would be worthwhile.

"What I would really like to know is the volume of local interest and/or alarm, and whether there is a readily discernible rational explanation for it (perhaps a practical joker), or even whether there is prima facie evidence for a more serious specialist enquiry.

"But I have not committed you in any way, and I have not even told the minister I am consulting you."

The report called for has yet to be released.

Sheffield University's folklore lecturer Dr David Clarke, who uncovered the other documents under the Freedom of Information Act, is now trying to track it down.

Dr Clarke, who is researching a book called Saucer Full of Secrets about the folklore of UFO sightings, said, "I was really surprised to find this.

"Generally the MoD dismisses these things and doesn't take them too seriously.

"But to find they ordered an investigation behind the Minster's back is pretty interesting.

"It's not quite the X-Files, but it is along the same lines."

Dr Clarke is now trying to get hold of people who were featured in what he sees as the tall tales of nearly 30 years ago.

"What I'd really like is to speak to some of the kids who apparently saw the alien craft."

A newspaper at the time reported Broad Haven Primary School headmaster Ralph Llewellyn backing the claims of his pupils, 14 of whom had drawn similar pictures of the craft.

"What would be fantastic is to meet whoever it was wearing the alien suit," added Dr Clarke.

"As far as I've been able to work out it was someone living locally, who'd got hold of a chemical suit, having a great time terrifying people."

Found Here
myufo.com/mt/2005/05/ufo_sightings_s.html
Link is dead. The MIA webpage (quoted in full above) can be accessed via the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060111200156/https://myufo.com/mt/2005/05/ufo_sightings_s.html

Note the embedded link at the end of the above-quoted article.
This link led to to the original Web source, which is similarly defunct. That original source page (with the same text) can also be accessed via the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/2005081...style-secret-mod-investigation-name_page.html


Original story by Western Mail reporter, with more info on the original sightings: LINK
The second updated link above is the entry point for the link included here. The link is dead. The original article included two additional pages / articles. Neither of those pages / articles appears to be archived at the Wayback Machine.


PS to Mods: Could this be shifted to UFOs?
 
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I'm sure I've read something on this before (possibly in FT) but...

UFO sightings of 30 years ago explained

May 27 2006

Sam Burson, Western Mail


A SPATE of mysterious UFO and alien sightings which gripped a Welsh community 30 years ago may have finally been explained.

A former US Navy sailor claims the furore gripping the Broad Haven area of Pembrokeshire in the late 1970s was caused by an officer in a special fireproof uniform, and new RAF jets.

The sailor, who served in the area shortly after most of the sightings, says a fellow officer admitted he had been responsible.

The clamour around the possibility of little green men visiting Pembrokeshire in the late 1970s led to numerous tabloid reports, including one of an entire class of schoolchildren claiming to have seen a UFO landing.

Many others reported being petrified by a strange silver alien.

It all happened in what became known as the Broad Haven Triangle, and canny tourist operators even started running UFO sighting weekends.

However behind the hype, Government officials took some of the tales seriously, and it was revealed last year by UFO expert Dr David Clarke that a secret MoD investigation had been carried out.

Now, following publicity about the investigation, James Carlson from Albuquerque, New Mexico, has written to the Fortean Times - a magazine about the supernatural - with what he believes are answers to West Wales' paranormal riddle.

He was stationed at the US Naval Facility in Brawdy in the 1980s.

In his letter Carlson tells how one of his supervisors, who is identified only by the name Steve, saw him reading a book about paranormal incidents around Brawdy, which was also an RAF base.

The book quotes an RAF officer, who states the descriptions of "alien" suits were in no way similar to military uniforms at the time.

However Carlson was told by Steve that the description was identical to firefighting gear used by American personnel.

He said, "Steve told me that while serving on the fire team of his division, he would often don the asbestos suit and oxygen breathing apparatus provided.

"Fire preparation drills, even those conducted at night, would require members of the fire team to search the areas around the base, and Steve claimed that during these drills he became res-ponsible for two of the alien sightings."

He added that a contemporary report of a UFO sighting in Pembrokeshire, which suggested the craft could not be man-made because of its gentle swaying and hovering motion, exactly fitted a description of the Harrier Vertical Take-off and Landing jet, which had been used in the UK since 1969.

Dr David Clarke, who teaches folklore at Sheffield Hallam University, is the man who last year uncovered the MoD's secret 1970s investigation into Welsh UFOs, and this year discovered a more recent Government investigation, which concluded UFOs are probably caused by atmospheric phenomenon.

He said of the letter in this month's edition, "It adds to certain testimonies and makes sense.

"A few people have already admitted a hoax, and one has even said he had to jump into a hedge when a lady aimed a gun at him in his suit."

Dr Clarke, who is a correspondent for Fortean Times, added, "There will never be absolute proof either way, but Wales has always had a history of these sorts of sightings - it's a real hotspot for them, whether they're just atmos-pheric phenomenon or not.

"It used to be perceived as fairies and little folk, but now we're in the space age and everybody's seen Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars, everything is aliens and space ships."

Aliens in West Wales

UFO mania began in Pembrokeshire after reports of 14 pupils from Broad Haven primary school seeing a UFO landing. The headteacher at the time backed up their claims, saying they had all drawn similar pictures of the craft.

Numerous sightings took place afterwards, although many are now believed to have been the work of pranksters dressed in industrial or military suits.

MoD Minister Dr John Gilbert MP ordered an investigation in 1977 after being inundated with inquiries. Findings were dull, but another was later done in Pembrokeshire without his knowledge, and has still not been published.

Pembrokeshire flying saucer stories reached their height in 1979, when a full-scale model of the Star Wars Millennium Falcon ship was being secretly built in a warehouse in Pembroke Dock. Workers were ordered by Star Wars series producer George Lucas to refer to the ship, which could hover on compressed air, as The Magic Roundabout project.

Source
 
It's a shame they didn't include a photograph of one of the suits so we could judge for ourselves how 'alien' it looked.

If those firefighters also travelled around in a glowing silvery cigar-shaped aircraft, that would wrap things up nicely.

Some kind of fire-fighting Zeppelin, perhaps?
 
Grrr! I just prepared a reply full of references but then clicked the wrong button and dumped the lot.

Short precis:

Not impressed. Doesn't explain the schoolkids' sighting, or even mention the teleported cattle.

The Harrier was well known right from the start - it was never a secret project, having evolved out of the Flying Bedstead. And like all jets, it is very noisy. Is there any proof that any were operating in the area at the time? Smacks of "It was Venus!" :evil:

http://www.geocities.com/visitorsfromsp ... _wales.htm

(Search on Welsh Triangle for earlier comments - various threads)
 
Hi
I don't think anyone mentioned that a Harrier is not a triangle
 
I've seen planes coming into land at Heathrow (with the sun behind them) that look like gold tinted discs (classic saucer shape). Great effect, not good to oggle while driving down the M4. :?
 
Anyone who has ever read 'The Welsh Triangle' by author Peter Paget. Could tell that this only explains a single aspect of the high strangenes that went on in this area. From teleporting cows, to craft seen entering the sea regularly, and much more. Its really worth a read, though you may have to scour second hand bookshops to find it.
 
tonyblair11 said:
It does look like a triangle from certain perspectives.


http://images.google.com/images?lr=&ie= ... a=N&tab=wi

Ahhhhhhh I thought it was triangle as in Bermuda Triangle - places with weird happeneings try and tag traiangle on if they can pin it down to a well defined area,

Triangles of lights could be from light on the wing tips and the nose of the plane perhaps. I don't know enough about harriers to comment about that though.

Anyway as its Wales shouldn't it be triangll? ;)
 
Mighty_Emperor said:
tonyblair11 said:
It does look like a triangle from certain perspectives.


http://images.google.com/images?lr=&ie= ... a=N&tab=wi

Ahhhhhhh I thought it was triangle as in Bermuda Triangle - places with weird happeneings try and tag traiangle on if they can pin it down to a well defined area...
Yes, the Triangle title does refer to an area of the world (a la Bermuda Triangle), and not to the shape of any UFOs reported there.
(The schoolchildren's sighting was a classic flying saucer. See the link I gave above.)
 
We decide to get away
And have some fun
Book a room and catch a flight
For two weeks in the sun
She says, "Hawaii's too expensive."
I say, "Barbados isn't bad."
She says, "I'd love to see Bermuda."
And I say, "Woman, are you mad!"

Bermuda Triangle It makes people disappear
Bermuda Triangle Don't go too near
But she Doesn't see my angle
And she thinks I'm being dumb
So Bermuda Triangle
Here we come!

Lying with my woman on The island sand
I look up and see her with
A stranger, hand in hand
I see her sitting on his blanket
I see them going for a swim
And when I run to find my woman
I find her running after him!

Bermuda Triangle
Makes my woman disappear
Bermuda TriangleDon't go too near
Looking At it from my angle
Do you see why I'm so sad
Bermuda Triangle Very bad!

Lying lost and lonely on
The island sand,
When a lovely stranger says
Hello and takes my hand
And soon she's sitting on my blanket
And then we're going for a swim
When I say, "what about your boyfriend?"
She turns and waves goodbye to him!

Bermuda Triangle It makes people disappear
Bermuda Triangle Don't go to near
But look At it from my angle
And you'll see what I'm so glad
Now Bermuda Triangle Not so bad!

Sorry I've been waiting ages to sing that.....

As you were.
 
In one of Jenny Randles' books - I can't remember which one - she 'explains' the Broadhaven saucer as a delivery truck!

(Edit: I got this completely wrong. The article was actually written by Hilary Evans, and he suggests it was a vehicle from the local sewage works.)


Although that seems a bit ridiculous, on the other hand I've never been too impressed by the schoolchildren's drawings. They really don't look that similar to each other. They look like the kind of drawings you'd expect to get if you asked any class of kids to draw you a flying saucer.
 
graylien said:
...I've never been too impressed by the schoolchildren's drawings. They really don't look that similar to each other. They look like the kind of drawings you'd expect to get if you asked any class of kids to draw you a flying saucer.
IIRC, the kids were asked to draw what they saw, and I believe it was the headmaster who asked them to do this.
 
Yes, quite so. Four of the drawings are reproduced in The Unexplained with a caption claiming that they are "remarkably similar" (one is missing on the page you linked to, and unfortunately I can't scan them in myself). They all show a circular-shaped craft, but other than that there are considerable differences between them. Three show a cupola (one including a multitude of windows in the cupola); one doesn't. Three show a central door; one doesn't. One shows the saucer standing on legs; the rest don't. One shows a rather thin, elongated saucer; the other saucers are quite 'fat'.

The object was sighted during the lunch break, but then the boys saw it again as they were leaving school at 3:30pm.

It was also spotted by a pair of canteen workers, who thought that it was a vehicle from the local sewage works - and still thought so even after being pressurised by UFO investigators to change their minds.

Personally, I'm not sure quite what to make of it.
 
It was these little bastards who absolutely terrified me back in 1977.

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With the Broadhaven UFO flap.

I can still remember being too scared to look out of the window.
 
It was these little bastards who absolutely terrified me back in 1977.

Unsure whether to blame Rupert the Bear or the Bay City Rollers for the trousers. :rofl:

They seem to have concentrated their freak-powers on their costumes because the drawings are as miscellaneous as any random class of kids would produce. They each seem to imitate different iconic illustrations which had been widely published at the time.
 
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Yes, those little kids' drawings are about as random a collection of under 11 Sci-Fi art as you could want. But as a six year old I found them strangely compelling. To the point of absolute terror.

And I'll just say this, back in those days checks were cool. As they are now.
 
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Seeing that photo reminded me very much of an English comprehension exercise they made us do at primary school. The teacher played a tape called "Mrs Peashooter's Flying Saucer" (I've never forgotten that name) which was a fictional interview with the titular lady where she described seeing a UFO. Our job, as a class of 8 year olds, was to listen closely and draw an accurate picture of what she'd described and I think write a short newspaper style report too. The drawings all came out looking just like the ones in the photo.
 
I remember the Corwen incident, I and some mates were walking down the Rock Bury
and this thing went across the sky going roughly South, looked like a big bullet about
10/15ft round with a blunt rounded nose but short in relation to it'd diameter, It appeared
to be very hot, white at the noes and going through blue to red in bands towards the rear
were there were sort of flapping flame effects that looked like something you would expect
from something moving much slower than the thing was.
The day after there were reports it had crashed on the hills above Corwen but later it was
claimed it had crashed into the sea.
Lights a bang and a tremor followed by a fire on the hill's above Corwen were reported
as well as locals being ordered off the hill and military activity.
The official story at the time was a meteor had entered the atmosphere causing the lights
and bang and a small earth quake had happened at the same time the lights on the hill
were said to be poachers, no one believed the official story much but in those days we did
not have the net so communications were poor compared to today.
I could quite easily be convinced the thing we saw was a meteor if nothing else were reported
but there were lots of sightings and the goings on around Corwen were a bit to much of
a coincidence I think there was more to it that we were not told.
 
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That really does sound like a meteor to me. Perhaps you were lucky enough to witness the trigger phenomenon that caused the various reports.
I could quite easily be convinced the thing we saw was a meteor if nothing else were reported
but there were lots of sightings and the goings on around Corwen were a bit to much of
a coincidence I think there was more to it that we were not told.
I don't think UFO reports really work like that. The military might turn up and do all sorts of bizarre things in response to a UFO report; but they are just as clueless as the rest of us, and all they do is cause more unsubstantiated rumours. If it were a meteor, it probably never reached the ground, or plopped harmlessly in the sea; the squaddies would almost certainly find nothing.
 
Broad Haven UFO sighting marked 40 years on

There were no alien invasions or tales of abduction, yet a UFO sighting by a group of Pembrokeshire school children remains one of the most famous cases in Wales.

It was 40 years ago when a class of pupils at Broad Haven Primary School said they spotted a UFO in a field near their playground.
 
One of my favourite UFO stories, as just two years later I found myself living in the 'Welsh Triangle', and was able to visit the various sites involved. The UFO sightings were the least of it - most baffling were the cattle transportations.

There are a couple of other threads that touch on various aspects of this topic:

http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/welsh-ufo-files.49726/
http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/missing-book.54526/

(and probably a few more).
 
'Allegedly' it wasn't unusual for the earthquake monitoring gear at Wlyfa to register 'earthquake-like activity' which was generally resolved by calling the MOD and asking if there was anything about that might make the sort of 'boom' a hypothetical faster-than-sound aircraft might make during a fast run up the Irish sea. Allegedly, the answers were along the lines of "Nothing at all flying in your area. But I can tell you that it wasn't an earthquake".

Allegedly.


Worth noting btw, that the Luftwaffe, in the run-up to WWII carried out high quality reconnaissance photography of most of the UK. The pictures are now a wonderful resource for people studying changes in landscape use in the UK.
 
Another vague memory comes to me, but I'm unsure how (or if) it fits with everything else in the Welsh Triangle area: apparently the US Navy based at Brawdy had underwater hydrophones laid out in St Brides Bay for tracking and monitoring submarine activity.

Wow! I just tried a quick DDG on this idea, and the first hit that came back was this:

The US Navy base, next to RAF Brawdy in Pembrokeshire, was officially an "Oceanographic Research
Station", though it has long been know that it was a processing centre for a network of underwater
microphones, some of which were submerged off the British coast, listening to submarine movements in
the Atlantic.

http://www.iusscaa.org/art26.pdf

(Includes a lot of photos, c. 2002)

I'm not as senile as I thought! Perhaps I need a lie-down now...
 
Mystery of UFO spotted by Welsh schoolchildren and weird events that followed sparking secret MoD probe
In 1977, schoolkids saw a UFO in a nearby field - their teacher didn't believe them but it was the beginning of a series of events that remain unexplained to this day

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To all outward appearances, Broad Haven just a traditional Welsh seaside resort (Photo: VisitBritain RM)
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As told to Rod McPhee

Most visitors to the small Pembrokeshire village of Broad Haven, in South West Wales, enjoy the lovely sandy beach or pass through on the Puffin Shuttle bus.

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To all outward appearances it’s just a traditional Welsh seaside resort.

But delve below the surface and – just like in the classic TV sci-fi series The X Files – there’s uncertainty, confusion and many, many questions.

And this week at the village hall, locals gathered to finally try and find the answers which have eluded them for exactly 40 years.

If this was a Mulder and Scully episode, the screen would wibble and wobble, and we’d flashback those four decades to the day in 1977 when something made the children at the local school suddenly all come running, their hearts pounding with fear, into their classroom.

Stunned motorist captures mysterious 'flying disc' being transported by police convoy near secretive US air base

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The schoolchildren all saw the exact same thing (Photo: Western Mail)
Outside a strange silver object like nothing they’d ever seen before, hovered over a field, just beyond their playground.

Headmaster Ralph Llewellyn dismissed the distraught pupils’ claims, without going outside to look. It was a decision he would regret forever.

For to this day, even as adults, they maintain there was only one description of what they’d seen – an Unidentified Flying Object .

Schoolboy David Davies, in the playground on that February Friday afternoon, stood looking at something that would leave him with a lifetime’s fascination and a drive to get to the truth of what that strange object was.

“It was pearlescent silvery-grey,” he says, “approximately 40ft long, torpedo, cigar-shaped, with an upper domed section that covered the central third of the vehicle and which was topped with a red pulsating light.”

Upset their claims were being ignored, David and his classmates handed in a petition to the police station.

In the end, the headmaster separated the children and asked them to draw what they had seen under exam conditions. He was amazed to find their drawings were almost identical to each other.


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The children all drew the same UFO (Photo: Mirrorpix)
So last week, UFO enthusiasts made a pilgrimage to Broad Haven to mark the 40th anniversary of a phenomenon in an area known as “The Welsh Triangle”.

The incident propelled the tiny farming community into a media frenzy in what became the start of a major series of sightings.

Weeks later, Pauline Coombes and her husband Billy were watching TV in their isolated farmhouse late at night, when a seven-foot humanoid figure in a silver suit appeared at the window. Where its face should have been, there was just a black space.

The police officers called to investigate the scene later admitted the family were so frightened, they did not want to step outside. Perhaps the strangest incident of all occurred later the same year when an entire herd of cattle apparently vanished, only to reappear in a field, far away from the farm.

UFO 'chases passenger jet' through the sky as baffled witness releases video in a bid to find explanation

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David Davies maintains to this day that he saw an UFO
The interest and the number of sightings continued to grow. Rosa Granville, a hotelier living near the school, was woken late at night by a light coming from an object like an upside down saucer in the field next to her hotel, emitting flames and with two faceless humanoid creatures with pointed heads.

When Rosa reported the incident to the authorities, she was visited by a Squadron Leader from nearby RAF Brawdy. He told her there was nothing at the airfield which could account for the strange craft, but mysteriously asked her not to tell anyone what she had seen.

It has left many people asking, ‘Was there a cover-up?’. A number of high-security military bases were situated nearby, including RAF Brawdy and, it is believed, a top secret US Soviet sub-marine listening station disguised as an oceanographic research centre. This was the height of the Cold War.

At the time, the Ministry of Defence did not admit to carrying out an official inquiry into the affair. But as reports poured in, defence experts were racing to get answers.


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The school was near to RAF Brawdy in Pembrokeshire (Photo: Western Mail Archive)
While researching my novel The Watchers, I discovered that the RAF in West Wales was asked to carry out a “discreet” probe.

An extract of a private memorandum to the Provost and Security Service of the RAF, [effectively the military police], mentions the number of “level-headed” witnesses to the strange activity.

It reads: “I should be grateful if you would let me know whether you think some sort of discreet inquiry would be worthwhile... or even whether there is prima facie evidence for a more serious specialist inquiry.” The author of the letter adds: “I have not even told the minister I am consulting you.”

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