The Carlyle Group - the New World Order's No1 Business?

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The excellent Mike Ruppert, has unveiled some fascianting dirt on the Carlyle Group, all fully sourced and documented. There is a full transcript here but I'll try to summerise.
The Carlyle Group is a private investment fund that specialises in defence contracts, so private it doesn't have a website and doesn't (because of its status) have to report its affairs to the SEC (Security and Exchange Committee).
Amongst its employeers are George Bush Snr, Frank Carlucci, former Sec of Defence under Regan, James Baker, former Bush Sec of State. (BTW - Carlucci is a close associate of Richard Armigate, Deputy Sec of Defence, former SEAL operative, and known associate of Irancontra spooks and drug smugglers, Ted Shackley and Robert Clines, who warrant a whole thread on their own).
It also owned Caterair, who had in 1990 a director called George W Bush
In 1998 and 2000 Bush Snr met members of the Bin-laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group, seeking to expand business dealings (John Major once came along for the trip) and was reported as succeding.
So is this all just nepotism on a grand scale, or something more dodgy?
 
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Judging from the web site, the Mike Ruppert character is a highly dubious and flaky self-publicist.

His articles read like a parody of the magazine Nexus. Genuine facts, once-reported facts, rumours and inaccuracies ... all mulched together as if to construct a significant case. Conclusions based on abstractions derived from summaries of best guesses and possible coincidences.

Like an internet pornographer he gives up tantalising hints at what lies just a few clicks ahead if we would only part with our money. If he had anything genuinely important to say then he would make that information freely available.
 
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C. Wright Mills talked about an iron triangle of big business, the executive office, and the military industrial complex. Herbert Marcuse spoke about the evils of the military industrial complex in One Dimensional Man. Unfortunately in this information age any one to the left is branded as looney tunes. It is hard to believe that the CIA played a part in the sept. 11 attacks, but there are other truths out there that are hard to dispute, such as that there is a stench from the relationship between the right wing, the military-industrial complex, and the CIA.
 
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simonsmith said:
Judging from the web site, the Mike Ruppert character is a highly dubious and flaky self-publicist.

His articles read like a parody of the magazine Nexus. Genuine facts, .
I think that's a bit harsh, as he actually does write for Nexus. Self-publicist, yes because he wants to flog his books and videos, but his sources are impecciable, though of course his interpretation is always going to be subjective.
But obviously your post is just part of the CIA Mockingbird Op to control dissident media ;)
 
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I think you may be on to something Chatsubo because any time I tried to add my voice to a discussion at this site I was always attacked mercilessly in a manner that seemed beyond your ordinary parlor politic discussions. The right wing went after Clinton for having an affair while they seem to have amnesia as to the Iran/Contra scandal. COINTELPRO shows that there is a concerted effort to control mass culture and dissent by covert groups. However, there are pockets of awareness and I think there will always be hope if people can fight through the everyday propaganda in pursuit of authentic social justice and real democracy.
 
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I wasn't criticising Mike Ruppert for his political views. I was refering to the quality of his arguments. He presents lists of raw data and dates as if that were pertinent information. He extrapolates meaningful conclusions from arbitrary lines of thought.

The Nexus house style! Interesting that he actually is a Nexus writer. I didn't know that. My opinion is that no serious writer or researcher would ever touch that magazine.
 
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The thought police according to C. Wright Mills will take any great truths and try to circumscribe them into the status quo. So you see this with all these fortean topics. How many spooks are there at this site? Who knows, perhaps a few. So this thread could have led the way to an honest critique of US foreign policy and links to the Carlyle Group you mention, or wherever you want to go with this. You can actually tell who the thought police are if you read their responses closely.
 
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Look out for another scandal to rock the republicans in the US. There is definitely smoke and we'll see if there is fire from the Bushies with reeking ties to a corrupt energy company called Enron. While there is much dirt and evidence of corruption everywhere and everyhow, the apathy, flag waving, and constant disinformation from the media are keeping us, the West, from meaningful reform. Tear down the walls. (last line taken from Pink Floyd of course)
 

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The corruption of capitalism is not covert, it is overt.

It appears to be the reason people go on voting for it.

They like to dream that one day all that corruption will be theirs.

Evil dreams and only evil people would disturb them.

Maybe. :rolleyes:
 
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The corruption of capitalism is not overt. If this was true, then the goodness of people would stand up to the obvious evils. Most people follow the adage that ignorance is bliss, and all one has to worry about is their own surroundings and interests. People keep voting for it because most live on this superficial edge. They think this is the greatest system there is. They tell the critics to name a better system. They blab about freedom and liberty. Rather than hoping to acquire wealth through this system, they become subdued to their own everyday drudgery by finding escape through vicariously living through others. Capitalism is a big lie which is counter to authentic democracy. If this corruption is so overt then such people would vote against it and not for it. Maybe I missed your point Mr. Whitehead. Maybe the corruption is overt, but too much of it is hidden and citizens at present seem incapable of connnecting the dots and reading between the lines and advancing us toward authentic peace and justice.
 
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People dont keep voting for capitalism, the electoral turnout in western countries is in long decline. Less than 50% of the us voters took part in the last presidential election, and only 24% of the registered electorate voted for GW. The picture in the UK is similar and seems to be worsening. The main problem is that supporters of the alternatives have yet to convince the majority that we can make a difference:madeyes:
 
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Those who don't vote are actually voting for the status quo. They think they are protesting, but when they don't vote, then THEY don't care about what they think. THEM are deep in doodoo in their covert think tanks manipulating the masses. It is rather disgusting that GW, who fainted after choking on a pretzel yesterday, was elected by 19-22%ish of eligible voters. THEY are really toying with us here. But THEY should watch out for the pockets of awareness which will forever be a thorn in their sides. The fish rots from the head down, and we Americans will sieze the power through the vote.....eventually.
 
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For the 11th-largest defense contractor in the United States, wartime is boom time. No one knows that better than the Carlyle Group, which less than a month after U.S. troops began bombing Afghanistan filed to take public its crown jewel of defense, United Defense, a company it has owned for nearly a decade. That this company is even able to go public is testament to the Carlyle Group's pull in Washington.

United Defense makes the controversial Crusader, a 42-ton, self-propelled howitzer that moves and operates much like a tank and can lob ten 155-mm shells per minute as far as 40 kilometers. The Crusader has been in the sights of Pentagon budget cutters since the Clinton administration, which argued that it was a relic of the cold war era--too heavy and slow for today's warfare. Even the Pentagon had recommended the program be discontinued. But remarkably, the $11 billion contract for the Crusader is still alive, thanks largely to the Carlyle Group.

"This is very much an example of a cold war-inspired weapon whose time has passed," notes Steve Grundman, a consultant at Charles River Associates, a defense and aerospace consultancy in Boston. "Its liabilities were uncovered during the Kosovo campaign, when the Army was unable to deploy it in time. It is exceedingly expensive, and it was a wake-up call to the Army that many of its forces are no longer relevant."

But the Carlyle Group was having none of that. While it is impossible to say what U.S. secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld was thinking when he made the decision to keep the Crusader program alive, people close to the situation claim to have a pretty good idea. Mr. Carlucci and Mr. Rumsfeld are good friends and former wrestling partners from their undergraduate days at Princeton University. And while Carlyle executives are quick to reject any accusations of them lobbying the current administration, others aren't so sure. "In this particular effort, I felt that they were like any other lobbying group, apart from the fact that they are not," said one Washington, D.C., lobbyist with intimate knowledge of the Crusader negotiations, noting the fine line between lobbying and having a drink with a old friend.

…Perhaps even more disconcerting than Carlyle's ties to the Pentagon are its connections within the White House itself. Aside from signing up George Bush Sr. shortly after his presidential term ended, Carlyle gave George W. Bush a job on the board of Texas-based airline food caterer Caterair International back in 1991. Since Bush the younger took office this year, a number of events have raised eyebrows.

Shortly after George W. Bush was sworn in as president, he broke off talks with North Korea regarding long-range ballistic missiles, claiming there was no way to ensure North Korea would comply with any guidelines that were developed. The news came as a shock to South Korean officials, who had spent years negotiating with the North, assisted by the Clinton administration. By June, Mr. Bush had reopened negotiations with North Korea, but only at the urging of his own father. According to reports, the former president sent his son a memo persuasively arguing the need to work with the North Korean government. It was the first time the nation had seen the influence of the father on the son in office.

But what has been overlooked was Carlyle's business interest in Korea. The senior Bush had spearheaded the group's successful entrance into the South Korean market, paving the way for buyouts of Korea's KorAm Bank and Mercury, a telecommunications equipment company. For the business to be successful, stability between North and South Korea is critical. And though there is no direct evidence linking the senior Bush's business dealings in Korea with the change in policy, it is the appearance of impropriety that excites the watchdogs. "We are clearly aware that former President Bush has weighed in on policy toward South Korea and we note that U.S. policy changed after those communications," says Peter Eisner, managing director at the Center for Public Integrity, a watchdog group in Washington, D.C., which has an active file on the Carlyle Group. "We know that former President Bush receives remuneration for his work with Carlyle and that he is capable of advising the current president, but how much further it goes, we don't know."

…And the controversy is expected only to increase as Carlyle's investments in Saudi Arabia are scrutinized during the war on terrorism. Mr. Eisner says that very little is known about Carlyle's involvements in Saudi Arabia, except that the firm has been making close to $50 million a year training the Saudi Arabian National Guard, troops that are sworn to protect the monarchy. Carlyle also advises the Saudi royal family on the Economic Offset Program, a system that is designed to encourage foreign businesses to open shop in Saudi Arabia and uses re-investment incentives to keep those businesses' proceeds in the country.

But the money flowing out of Saudi Arabia and into the Carlyle Group is of even more interest. Immediately after the September 11 attacks, reports surfaced of Carlyle's involvement with the Saudi Binladin Group, the $5 billion construction business run by Osama's half-brother Bakr. The bin Laden family invested $2 million in the Carlyle Partners II fund, which includes in its portfolio United Defense and other defense and aerospace companies. On October 26, the Carlyle Group severed its relationship with the bin Laden family in what officials termed a mutual decision. Mr. Bush Sr. and Mr. Major have been to Saudi Arabia on behalf of Carlyle as recently as last year, and according to reports, the Federal Bureau of Investigation is currently looking into the flow of money from the bin Laden family. Carlyle officials declined to answer any questions regarding their activities in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.redherring.com/vc/2002/0111/947.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,583869,00.html
 
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