The COVID-19 (Wuhan Coronavirus) Outbreak: Conspiracy Theories & Claims

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So it's natural ...

The coronavirus pandemic circling the globe is caused by a natural virus, not one made in a lab, a new study says.

The virus’s genetic makeup reveals that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a mishmash of known viruses, as might be expected if it were human-made. And it has unusual features that have only recently been identified in scaly anteaters called pangolins, evidence that the virus came from nature, Kristian Andersen and his colleagues report March 17 in Nature Medicine.

When Andersen, an infectious disease researcher at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif., first heard about the coronavirus causing an outbreak in China, he wondered where the virus came from. Initially, researchers thought the virus was being spread by repeated infections jumping from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China, into humans and then being passed person to person. Analysis from other researchers has since suggested that the virus probably jumped only once from an animal into a person and has been spread human to human since about mid-November (SN: 3/4/20).

But shortly after the virus’s genetic makeup was revealed in early January, rumors began bubbling up that maybe the virus was engineered in a lab and either intentionally or accidentally released. ...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
 

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Real natural virus or not - There is a reason to consider some type of conspiracy.
For example:

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu?
By Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer a day ago
"
Editor's note: Updated March 25 with the latest information on COVID-19.

The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "
Source quote:
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

The author then goes on to explain that the flu is known and well studied
and Coronavirus isn't.

BUT I ask is this a good reason to cause worldwide panic and at least temporarily
stop the World's economy???

Do they have any real idea what the consequences of their actions are going to
leed to???

We already know what happened after WWI with the Great Depression, which
was not totally resolved until WWII.

You really can't blame 'conspiracy nuts' for being paranoid.

'Maybe' the UK was right in their first inclination of letting the virus run its course???

I don't have the answer but your government, my government and other
governments of the World maintain 'think tanks' of supposedly very intelligent
people to consider actions and consequences.

Only time will tell if they made the right one this time !!!
 

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WWI and The Great Depression were about 10 years apart.
BUT the destruction of the German economy after WWI and later the Depression
worked together in creating the chemistry that facilitated the rise of fascism and
eventually WWII.

My basic point being that destabilizing the World's economy is not a good thing
- Unless there is an agenda..........And at this point that would be a conspiracy theory.

And there are already many conspiracy theories of what really caused
the Great Depression.

Today at least governments are trying to boost their economies, something they did
not do back in 1929 - Still they are boosting the effects of their own actions
- Actions supposedly for the public's benefit.

Again I ask - 1. How many people will really be saved by the current protocols;
I know they say China has gotten it under control - Or did the virus just run out
of steam in China. 2. Are the consequences of the protocols of stopping world
trade and business going to lead to consequences worse than the disease ???
 
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Yes, the crashing economy is what has me worried. The spanish flu killed 1% but it seems the world pretty much ticked on regardless.
 

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At first it was rats, giving us plague.
Then it was bats, giving us covid.
I say we get rid of cats, before they can infect us with something.
Nope, we do need the cats. Superstitious persecution of cats reduced their numbers in mediaeval times. This is believed to have contributed to the outbreak of the Plague when the rat population was able to prosper and increase.
 

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What we really need is for people to stop eating weird, wild animals, killed in desperately poor hygiene conditions; pet animals, although a few can infect humans with some nasty conditions, are not the problem.

China IS bad for this, there's no denying it, but they're not alone, much of Asia, Africa and South America are as bad, or nearly as bad anyway.
 

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In their catch-up reading material this person had discovered that there are two strains of Covid 19. One of them being much worse than the other. This bad one activated a certain bacteria already found in the lungs causing it to multiply wildly, meaning that death was inevitable in those people as the body can't fight off something that isn't foreign to itself.

Now I called BS on the whole thing but just this morning I read an article in The Telegraph stating that scientists in China have identified two strains of Covid 19 - L & S. I haven't heard anything about this on the news before nor the implications involved but the article also links to a story back on 5th March. Is this common knowledge to everyone else? Aparently you can be infected with both and one does not make you immune to the other.
I read about the two strains about three weeks ago.
Since then there have been suggestions there are forty identified strains of the virus.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...celand-claim-FORTY-mutations-coronavirus.html
 

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Nope, we do need the cats. Superstitious persecution of cats reduced their numbers in mediaeval times. This is believed to have contributed to the outbreak of the Plague when the rat population was able to prosper and increase.
Sort of like when they killed all the sparrows in Maoist China for unsound reasons and the bugs they would have eaten ate all the vegetables and millions died.

Seems like China are taking advantage of the panic to claim a bit more territory: https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...builds-installations-philippine-claimed-reefs
 

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And now the real reason 'they' {aliens} are doing this:

President Reagan | Three Famous Alien Threat Speeches


Evidence? - The Democrats and Republicans in the US just voted to give away trillions
in aid to save the economy - Unthinkable a month ago.
 

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For 'conspiracy nuts' only:


This quote has been debunked. https://www.metabunk.org/threads/de...sis-and-the-nations-will-accept-the-nwo.1741/


I can't find that quote on any official site on Rockerfeller but it is no secret that he had a vision of a globalized unified government, (the UN, the USA as a big brother), that was supported by MNC's and NGO's. His dream was to end poverty and war by creating this world government. He came from a major philanthropic family and he believed those in authority had a responsibility to provide for society.

Now I'm no fan of the Rockerfellers, not in any way shape or form or any of the big multi-nationals running things but it could be argued that he had a vision to improve the world through Internationalization.

He did actually say in his later years that globalization had failed in banishing world poverty, (no shit sherlock).

I also think his vision is largely already here, (we don't need a new virus to kick it off), it's just not how he envisioned it and like a lot of people, I think he believed he was doing the right thing.
 
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BUT the destruction of the German economy after WWI and later the Depression
worked together in creating the chemistry that facilitated the rise of fascism and
eventually WWII.

My basic point being that destabilizing the World's economy is not a good thing
- Unless there is an agenda..........And at this point that would be a conspiracy theory.

And there are already many conspiracy theories of what really caused
the Great Depression.

Today at least governments are trying to boost their economies, something they did
not do back in 1929 - Still they are boosting the effects of their own actions
- Actions supposedly for the public's benefit.

Again I ask - 1. How many people will really be saved by the current protocols;
I know they say China has gotten it under control - Or did the virus just run out
of steam in China. 2. Are the consequences of the protocols of stopping world
trade and business going to lead to consequences worse than the disease ???
The reason for the lockdowns is that nobody knows the potential harm this new virus can do. There are a lot of people around the world who's job it is studying this stuff and let their government know how to try and deal with it. I've done joint training with Public Health folk before all this kicked off and by god, they take their job seriously. Most of the sensible governments like South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, (early days I know), have gone at it hard to break the chains of transmission. They've listened to their experts.

The rich already own most of the wealth on the planet they really don't need that much more. Killing us and some of themselves off isn't good for business.

There are many theories as well as to what started the great depression, not just conspiracy theories. None of the real theories involve the Spanish flu. It's more likely just the bust that followed boom that was overspending in the 20's.

It is a gamble going hard at the virus but what choice do we have? If we really get it wrong than the death toll could be incredible. It isn't the flu. It's something different and it's new so we haven't studied it. Throw in years of neglect of health services with lack of staffing and equipment and we really are between the devil and the deep blue sea.

We've gotten over depressions and market crashes before, we've not had a pandemic like this for years.

Rather than look at reptiles and aliens why don't you try and look at the science?
 

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Rather than look at reptiles and aliens why don't you try and look at the science?
Sure, I'm all for science - But the title of the thread was:
"The Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak: Conspiracy Theories & Claims"

And like good science fiction I like interesting conspiracy theories
even if they turn out false - And like I said earlier few can be proven even though
many have 'some' validity.

Are there some people and/or special interests that are going to benefit from this
pandemic?

Sure there are - And the idea of studying the conspiratorial angle is to rule out the possibility that 'they' had something to do with either the initiation of the pandemic and/or the way it is being handled.
 

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Sure, I'm all for science - But the title of the thread was:
"The Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak: Conspiracy Theories & Claims"

And like good science fiction I like interesting conspiracy theories
even if they turn out false - And like I said earlier few can be proven even though
many have 'some' validity.

Are there some people and/or special interests that are going to benefit from this
pandemic?

Sure there are - And the idea of studying the conspiratorial angle is to rule out the possibility that 'they' had something to do with either the initiation of the pandemic and/or the way it is being handled.
Yeah, but a conspiracy theory has to a kernel of plausibility behind it. JFK - more than one gunman, Lady Di - the royals had lost patience with her. Marilyn Monroe- was going to spill the beans on her affairs, etc.

Linking Ronnie talking about aliens and world harmony, (a very obvious way of trying to steal Gorbachev's limelight as a world peace leader), is hardly a cast-iron connection to a new virus.

Also, your theories are pretty tenuous at the very least. At least when I was a conspiracy buff back in the day before the internet you had to actually go out there and read things, talk to people and not just post a meme from reddit.

So come on present an actual theory with stuff to back it up.

So skip the aliens and start with the source which to most of us is Wuhan.
 

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Real natural virus or not - There is a reason to consider some type of conspiracy.
For example:

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu?
By Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer a day ago
"
Editor's note: Updated March 25 with the latest information on COVID-19.

The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "
Source quote:
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

The author then goes on to explain that the flu is known and well studied
and Coronavirus isn't.

BUT I ask is this a good reason to cause worldwide panic and at least temporarily
stop the World's economy???

Do they have any real idea what the consequences of their actions are going to
leed to???

We already know what happened after WWI with the Great Depression, which
was not totally resolved until WWII.

You really can't blame 'conspiracy nuts' for being paranoid.

'Maybe' the UK was right in their first inclination of letting the virus run its course???

I don't have the answer but your government, my government and other
governments of the World maintain 'think tanks' of supposedly very intelligent
people to consider actions and consequences.

Only time will tell if they made the right one this time !!!

I think this is the question every thinking person would like answered. I have pointed out several times (even before Trump did) that the consequences of fighting the Coronvirus could be worse than the virus itself. The Depression of the 30's shows just how bad the consequences could be - and that was in a time when people were in general more self reliant (and died younger anyway). What actually caused the depression is irrelevant - we didn't close down the economy for Spanish 'flu - we have done for Covid-19.

But we don't know. We may not be being told everything (conspiracy) We may be grossly overreacting due to hysteria in the media. And as you say, only time will tell.

Last century this would have been accepted as a natural event to be endured, with the understanding that no conceivable care system can cope with hundreds of thousands of extra people suddenly becoming ill. (Including of course those manning the care systems)

This century it seems a majority of citizens expect the world's Governments to somehow make it all go away. That shift in public expectation is not sustainable.

I've already said that the UK will have done well if we get through this with between 5,000 and 50,000 deaths, based on previous pandemics. But you have to include in that total deaths caused by the measures to fight the virus as well as deaths actually caused by the virus. There is already a difficulty of access to the NHS for those with health problems other than the virus - if we have more deaths from pneumonia as a result of 'prioritisation' that has to be taken in to consideration.
 
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