The COVID-19 (Wuhan Coronavirus) Outbreak: Conspiracy Theories & Claims

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And if we get too close to each other the collars automatically explode?
And if we go outside at the incorrect time, or do any of the 1000 prohibited things, or we call the Prime Mincer a knob, or we look at Pornhub...

I'm particularly worried about the last two.
 

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Protocol Saves 98% of COVID Patients, Hidden by Media
"Five critical care physicians have developed a highly effective treatment protocol for COVID-19. When used with more than 100 hospitalized patients, only two died - both in their 80s with advanced chronic conditions. It's a dream come true, but why won't health officials adopt it?

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STORY AT-A-GLANCE
  • Despite the fact that many critical care specialists are using treatment protocols that differ from standard of care, information about natural therapeutics in particular are still being suppressed by the media and is not received by critical care physicians
  • Five critical care physicians have formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Working Group (FLCCC). The group has developed a highly effective treatment protocol known as MATH+
  • Of the more than 100 hospitalized COVID-19 patients treated with the MATH+ protocol as of mid-April, only two died. Both were in their 80s and had advanced chronic medical conditions
  • The protocols call for the use of intravenous methylprednisolone, vitamin C and subcutaneous heparin within six hours of admission into the hospital, along with high-flow nasal oxygen. Optional additions include thiamine, zinc and vitamin D
  • COVID-19 kills by triggering hyperinflammation, hypercoagulation and hypoxia. The MATH+ protocol addresses these three core pathological processes
See whole article here:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...d=20200529Z1&et_cid=DM547465&et_rid=882306177
 

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Protocol Saves 98% of COVID Patients, Hidden by Media
"Five critical care physicians have developed a highly effective treatment protocol for COVID-19. When used with more than 100 hospitalized patients, only two died - both in their 80s with advanced chronic conditions. It's a dream come true, but why won't health officials adopt it?

"
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
  • Despite the fact that many critical care specialists are using treatment protocols that differ from standard of care, information about natural therapeutics in particular are still being suppressed by the media and is not received by critical care physicians
  • Five critical care physicians have formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Working Group (FLCCC). The group has developed a highly effective treatment protocol known as MATH+
  • Of the more than 100 hospitalized COVID-19 patients treated with the MATH+ protocol as of mid-April, only two died. Both were in their 80s and had advanced chronic medical conditions
  • The protocols call for the use of intravenous methylprednisolone, vitamin C and subcutaneous heparin within six hours of admission into the hospital, along with high-flow nasal oxygen. Optional additions include thiamine, zinc and vitamin D
  • COVID-19 kills by triggering hyperinflammation, hypercoagulation and hypoxia. The MATH+ protocol addresses these three core pathological processes
See whole article here:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...d=20200529Z1&et_cid=DM547465&et_rid=882306177
Hidden by the media?
Wouldn't doctors just communicate among themselves and ignore the media?
 

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Hidden by the media?
Wouldn't doctors just communicate among themselves and ignore the media?
You and I might think that but.........

But as the narrative has been unfolding we {the public} has been virtually brain
washed into believing what the 'mainstream' has been telling us over and'
over again.

There is no cure yet and the vaccine is in the works.
- And all alternative cures are quack medicine.

I already posted an article about a Chinese doctor who had some success with
intravenous mega doses of Vitamin C
- It is now difficult to even find the article as the search engines on the internet
are tuned to show what 'they' want and suppress info they don't want.

Sure some doctors like Dr. Mercola publish info like this.

But when I studied alternative medicine years ago I discovered that in today's World
doctors are actually limited by medical groups and government agencies in what
they can do or claim - Even though some countries like Mexico allow a much more'
liberal policy on alternative medicine.

The conspiracy here on this Covid protocol, as Dr. Mercola asked, is why is this
information not given proper exposure?

If you want to believe the World is run by 'control freaks' I suppose you could
surmise they don't want a cure yet ?????
 

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We need a vaccine!
Sadly, a vaccine may well be impossible, and we may need to simply find drugs that chemically treat the virus. All coronaviruses hide within cells very effectively, making the body's auto-immune response largely ineffective in treating the virus. Reinfection is a proven reality. I have been chatting with some virologists, and anyone who thinks we will have a vaccine by this time next year is being ridiculously optimistic. On the other hand, treatments are definitely being developed.
 

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Sadly, a vaccine may well be impossible, and we may need to simply find drugs that chemically treat the virus. All coronaviruses hide within cells very effectively, making the body's auto-immune response largely ineffective in treating the virus. Reinfection is a proven reality. I have been chatting with some virologists, and anyone who thinks we will have a vaccine by this time next year is being ridiculously optimistic. On the other hand, treatments are definitely being developed.
I think that's a fairly fair summary so far but given enough time stable vaccines may well be created for the future prevalent Corona C-19 strains. It may well take years, maybe decades or more, for an effective vaccination protocol to be in place.

I am thinking about the highly mutable influenza strains and the fairly effective vaccination protocols we now have. The first vaccine was developed in 1933 and it was only in 1978 that we reached the stage of a multi-strain formula that changes every year.

Perhaps the world might have to live with the threat of plagues (as in pandemics) again for a while, something that's not been an issue since the post-war Polio epidemics of 1945-1960ish.

Given that we generally expect things done and ready *now* and have become somewhat complacent over the threats of infectious diseases then maybe the correction is going to be a valuable lesson for all of us.

Symptomatic treatments and better hygiene are all we have at our disposal. I can just about remember the mid 1970s when hospitals in the UK were still liberally doused with antiseptics like Savlon or Dettol and protective garments were the norm for medical staff (white coats, nurses & doctors with covered hair and paper masks etc).

Around that time I think the first world started to let its guard down, assuming the very infectious illnesses had all been conquered and would be in perpetuity...
 

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Then try this from:

"The Moscow Times"
{Independent News from Russia} {so they say}

Russia Touts ‘Promising’ Coronavirus Drug in Early Trials

"Early clinical trials of an antiviral drug in Russia have given “promising” results in treating the new coronavirus, a joint venture announced Wednesday as Russia faced mounting Covid-19 cases.

Of 40 coronavirus patients who took a favipiravir pill, 60% tested negative for Covid-19 within five days compared to 30% in the control group, according to the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) and the ChemRar biotechnology firm. Favipiravir works by blocking the ability of a virus to replicate inside a cell. ........"

See whole article here:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...ising-coronavirus-drug-in-early-trials-a70270

And before you knock it for coming from Russia
- What would you think if it came from China?

Doctors are just the same as lawyers; the only difference is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you too.
Anton Chekhov, 1860-1904, Russian writer

It is the duty of a doctor to prolong life and it is not his duty to prolong the act of dying.
Bill Vaughan, 1915-1977, American journalist
 
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I think that's a fairly fair summary so far but given enough time stable vaccines may well be created for the future prevalent Corona C-19 strains. It may well take years, maybe decades or more, for an effective vaccination protocol to be in place.
Thanks, and I agree with you on the timeframe you suggest, and indeed most of your post.
I am thinking about the highly mutable influenza strains and the fairly effective vaccination protocols we now have. The first vaccine was developed in 1933 and it was only in 1978 that we reached the stage of a multi-strain formula that changes every year.
This is my only point of contention. Our Influenza vaccines are only about 40% effective, as it is up to the virologists to figure out which way the year's mutation will go, and they generally guess it under half the time at the moment. I put it to you, if we need a fresh jab every year and it is only 40% effective, do we really have a flu vaccine? I am not trying to belittle the research, or its validity, or question whether we should keep funding it, as it is good work and fully deserves our support, but let's face facts; it is still falling short of the mark.
 

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Thanks, and I agree with you on the timeframe you suggest, and indeed most of your post.
This is my only point of contention. Our Influenza vaccines are only about 40% effective, as it is up to the virologists to figure out which way the year's mutation will go, and they generally guess it under half the time at the moment. I put it to you, if we need a fresh jab every year and it is only 40% effective, do we really have a flu vaccine? I am not trying to belittle the research, or its validity, or question whether we should keep funding it, as it is good work and fully deserves our support, but let's face facts; it is still falling short of the mark.
Like I said "fairly effective" - but currently, as good as it gets with that family of viruses. Maybe I think it's a UK-US English language thing relating to the comparative 'fairly'?

In the UK free Influenza vaccines are offered to the very young, the over 60's and those with certain health issues or those who care for them. 40% protection is probably better than 0%. Some infectious diseases will never be eradicated, only mitigated.

I've had my own personal 'winter protocol' over here for over a decade, using hand sanitiser on public transport journeys and minimising my own social mixing. I was fed up of getting colds and suchlike plus with parents/relatives getting older and having a family friend with ALS whom we used to help intensively, I didn't want to be responsible for them getting sick.

Self-quarantine was normally for 3-5 days, rather than 3-5 weeks we're seeing now!
 
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Now how about this:

Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought
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Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.

The tests are finding large numbers of people in the U.S. who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security............."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...h-rate-for-the-coronavirus-than-first-thought

So the questions any reasonable persons would ask is:

1. Why did they not follow the other option presented in the beginning
which was to notify the public of the truth and encourage all older and persons with at risk medical conditions to self isolate and cater to this problem demographic rather than wreck the World's economies when right from the beginning they knew ti was a low kill rate disease for most people ??????

2. Where can you find the actual death rate for those people not in the high-risk
category ????

3. What is the motivation??? - Was it really to save lives ???
1. Why did they not follow the other option presented in the beginning
which was to notify the public of the truth and encourage all older and persons with at risk medical conditions to self isolate and cater to this problem demographic rather than wreck the World's economies when right from the beginning they knew ti was a low kill rate disease for most people ??????
In the UK the government did that at first and many people blatantly shoved it off. 'I'm 79 and healthy and no one's going to tell me I can't go to the pub/golf/this public event with 10000 people.'

They asked people to socially distanced, to not go out but they went ahead anyway.

When it became apparent that society is a selfish twerp then they laid down Rules.

Hidden truth or not if We can't play nice then we will lose our nice things. (Global economy, education system, access to all manner of consumer crap, access to people and resources and non emergency healthcare etc)
 

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Hidden by the media?
Wouldn't doctors just communicate among themselves and ignore the media?
It isn't hidden by the media.

FFS because it's not been properly tested you don't just roll out a "cure all" until you are sure. Unless of course, you want to drink bleach? Think.
 
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I'd actually really rather Bill Gates was in no way involved in developing a vaccine I've 30 years experience of being on the wrong end of his business methods and he is completely ruthless, disrespectful of corporate law, and an ego-centric control freak.

I can detail some of the tactics companies who have tried to compete with him and even legislatures that have tried to corral him have been defeated by his preparedness to spend copious amounts of money to get his way. (And I don't mean by direct corruption, I'm not suggesting he has broken the letter of the law, just its spirit.)
 

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It isn't hidden by the media.

FFS because it's not been properly tested you don't just roll out a "cure all" until you are sure. Unless of course, you want to drink bleach? Think.
I wasn't saying I thought it was hidden. I was reacting to the item that AlienView had posted, which claimed that it was hidden by the media.
Can't you read? Apply comprehension skills!
 

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You're right, I guess - let's not apply critical thinking to anything!
Yes, one reason this thread on conspiracy theories on Covid 19 stays popular
is credibility - When the people who have been trying to contain the virus seem to have done a poor job of it, the reasons why creates a vacuum that conspiracy theory
tries to fill in for.

The idea behind the conspiratorial viewpoint is - it only appears like bad judgement
- there is in fact an agenda.

Of course since no one knows exactly what the agenda is
- no conspiracy can be proven, and maybe none exists.

But none critical, outside the box, thinking is still worth exploring.
 

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I'd actually really rather Bill Gates was in no way involved in developing a vaccine I've 30 years experience of being on the wrong end of his business methods and he is completely ruthless, disrespectful of corporate law, and an ego-centric control freak.

I can detail some of the tactics companies who have tried to compete with him and even legislatures that have tried to corral him have been defeated by his preparedness to spend copious amounts of money to get his way. (And I don't mean by direct corruption, I'm not suggesting he has broken the letter of the law, just its spirit.)
I don't think that comes as any surprise to anyone Cochise. BG and his ilk (and we all know who they are) are "capable" of absolutely anything. 'Bout time all of 'em were brought down. There are a handful of similar characters in the North West of the UK, not in the same league, but equally obnoxious with gigantic egos. It will be a good day when they leave the planet.
 

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Doctors are just the same as lawyers; the only difference is that lawyers merely rob you, whereas doctors rob you and kill you too.
Anton Chekhov, 1860-1904, Russian writer

It is the duty of a doctor to prolong life and it is not his duty to prolong the act of dying.
Bill Vaughan, 1915-1977, American journalist

I've reported this post as health professionals around the world have died doing their best with f*** all resources to treat people during this pandemic. A common joke in health is "Well we picked a fine time to be a doctor, nurse, OT, etc".

You won't know as you sit behind your computer adding nothing - you've not helped in any way during this pandemic. Now with the lessening of lockdowns, we are seeing a huge spike in Mental health trauma - stuff that makes Sept 11th look like a picnic.

The kids particularly are really struggling, really damaging drug use is rife, kids attacking their parents. Trashing homes wanting to kill themselves - trying to kill themselves.

I'm very concerned that you keep spreading this stuff blaming the people whose dedication is to try and keep people alive and well.

You have no idea what it's like going into work and wondering if you might get ill or spread it to people you love but you do it as it's your job.

You have no idea of the fallout to this.

If this isn't addressed I'll be very disappointed in the forum.
 
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