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The Eggman—Including The Monster Of Glamis Castle

A workman found a passage in the 1920's while renovating the chapel. (This is where most people expect the monster to live.) He claimed to have sighted a monster at one end of it, all chained up . The encounter unhinged him a bit. The Earl then did not want the man to tell anyone what he had seen so he had him and his family deported to Australia. I thought that the next earl learns the secret at the age of 21.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4417582,00.html

This is a rather jokey Guardian article about members of the English aristocracy who were kept hidden from public view because of illnesses like epilepsy.

I've also heard recently of a sister of the Queen Mother (I think) who was locked up in a mental hospital for nearly all her life as she was 'feeble-minded'.

What puzzles me is, if the aristos were so anxious to sack off 'inferior' children to the extent of imprisoning them, why didn't they simply smother'em at birth? Folklore is full of stories of infanticide and a remote castle is the perfect place to get away with it.
 
I was told by someone who was related by bestiality to a
gamekeeper that the hideous egg-shape thing was wrapped
in blue cloth, its face partially hidden by a veil and a large hat.

Only the bad teeth were visible in a kind of snarl which was
thought by many to be a hypnotic and evil smile.

Wherever it wandered, members of the public would try to
distract it by throwing flowers.

It must have been a myth, though. My calculations tell me the
thing was seen for an unfeasibly long period throughout the
Twentieth Century and the very start of our own. :eek:
 
Not sure that I understand why you think a story about a severely disabled person should be put in cryptozoology/ghosts or ULs. Disabled people were often kept as the family secret - hidden away in the attic or back room.

Crypto because of where I got it from - the Centre for Fortean Zoology (in an article on mystery primates such as Skunk Apes and sasquatch). I didnt put it in Crypto cos I thought it wasnt really anything to do with cryptozoology apart from there was a legend of a "monster", which was however of human rather than zoological origin.

Ghosts - he/it was supposedly seen for far longer than one person's lifetime, so there was a suggestion of a paranormal type phenomenon.

ULs - because the whole story might not have been true, or because it is likely to be a ridiculous exaggeration of a real phenomenon, feeding on peoples ignorance and prejudices, into something which can quite accurately be described as a "legend", ie a story of archetypal structure but dubious origin.

The point is, a disabled member of the family (disability caused by royal inbreeding?) may have been the origin of the story, but i dont think the story is that "real". Its not as clear-cut as an expose of the tragic and barbaric treatment of an unfortunate child - it seems more like an archetype of the mysterious horror associated with an ancient, aristocratic family.
 
Nice thread, any links?
Also, how could one posess incredible physical strength with only tiny arms and legs?
 
James Whitehead said:
I was told by someone who was related by bestiality to a
gamekeeper that the hideous egg-shape thing was wrapped
in blue cloth, its face partially hidden by a veil and a large hat.

Only the bad teeth were visible in a kind of snarl which was
thought by many to be a hypnotic and evil smile.

Wherever it wandered, members of the public would try to
distract it by throwing flowers.

It must have been a myth, though. My calculations tell me the
thing was seen for an unfeasibly long period throughout the
Twentieth Century and the very start of our own. :eek:

James thats one of the funniest posts I've ever read. LOL! I'm laughing out loud in my office. On my own.
 
MAIN_MAN said:
Nice thread, any links?
Also, how could one posess incredible physical strength with only tiny arms and legs?

It's amazing what the adoration of a million cockneys can bestow upon one.

Gawd bless 'er!
 
More Glamis Legends

This link repeats some of the information already covered here but also covers some interesting related information, notably the silencing of witnesses and the fact that "no female may know the secret of Glamis". Y Chromosome related curse?

The grim forbidding Glamis Castle stands in the great vale of Strathmore in Tayside, in the north-east of Scotland. For centuries the vast fortified castle with its pointed towers has had a sinister reputation for housing an unspeakable, terrible secret, but just what is this dreadful secret? It is said that only certain members of the British Royal Family know, but there have been whispers and bloodcurdling rumours circulating about the secret of Glamis Castle for hundreds of years, and these strange claims are the subject of the following accounts.
It is known that the Glamis Secret has nothing to do with a stubborn bloodstain that cannot be removed from the floorboards in one of the castle rooms. That stain is the blood of King Malcolm II, who was cut down by the Claymore swords of his rebellious subjects in the castle in the year 1084; nor is the secret anything to do with the fact that Lady Glamis was burnt at the stake outside the castle for practising witchcraft, although her ghost still walks the corridors of Glamis as the Grey Lady. No, the secret of Glamis Castle lies in solving the following grotesque jigsaw puzzle of weird events.

If you stand outside the castle and count the number of windows, and compare them with the number of windows inside the building, you will always be two windows short; in other words, there seems to be a walled-up secret room in Glamis, and what this room contains has been the subject of much debated for over 600 years. No one knows where this secret room is, but some say it is on the top storey of the castle inside a tower. Then there is another clue; over the centuries, servants have claimed to have heard strange thuds on the walls of the building, and one of the Earls of Strathmore said he once overheard King James V mentioning the thing locked up in its room. Many servants at the time speculated that the 'thing' was a deformed overgrown child, the product of the continual inbreeding over the centuries within the aristocracy. Some researchers believe this might just be the case, for in an oil painting at the castle, there is a strange green-clad figure of a child with a strangely-deformed torso. The identity of the painting's subject has never been established.

In the year 1486, a particular nasty event occurred at Glamis Castle when a party of neighbouring aristocrats called the Ogilvies came to Glamis and begged for protection from their sworn enemies, the Lindsay family. The Ogilvies were escorted to a chamber under the castle and left there without food or water for over a month. When the chamber was opened, only one of the Ogilvies was barely alive. He had eaten the other members of his family through starvation. In the 17th century, it was said that an unfortunate black slave was stripped naked and hunted 'as fun game' by the Earls and their hunting dogs. The slave was repeatedly impaled with lances and the dogs literally ripped him apart while the ladies of the castle looked on in laughter. The murdered slave's ghost may be the strange figure known as Jack the Runner, who has been seen darting about the castle as he screams as if in agony.

Around the time the slave was hunted to death, a young maiden from the local village who was involved with one of the Earls was said to have stumbled on the secret chamber in Glamis, and whatever she saw must have been terrifying, because she ran screaming from the castle, and was later captured by two Royal henchmen. One of these henchmen took a pair of iron tongs, ripped out the young lady's tongue and threw it on the fire. This is known as the ritual of silencing, and had been performed on several servants over the years who had inadvertently stumbled upon the Glamis secret. The shock usually killed the victim or they bled to death. But the poor young maiden ran out of the castle dungeon minus her tongue in a state of terror with blood spurting out of her mouth. The henchmen went after her and one of them grabbed her in a headlock and twisted her head until her neck broke. The body was then meticulously sawed up and fed to the wild boars in the forest.

The unmentionable secret of Glamis was briefly touched upon in 1904 when the 13th Earl of Strathmore, Claude Bowes-Lyon, told an inquisitive friend, "If you could only know the nature of the terrible secret, you would go down on your knees and thank God it were not yours." The meaning of the Earl's cryptic remark only deepens the mystery, but the friend he spoke to later claimed that he had found the secret chamber, and he was quickly bundled off to the colonies; some say he was sent to Australia.

Earlier this century, when the daughter of the 14th Earl of Glamis asked what the secret was, her father told her, "You cannot be told; for no woman can ever know the secret of Glamis Castle."

It is claimed that certain members of the Royal Family know of the terrible secret, and they are all males. It is said that they are traditionally told on their 18th birthday, but none of the Royals has ever commented on or denied the secret of Glamis Castle.
 
Evilsprout said:
I'm sure I read a story somewhere about one of the Queen Mum's ancestors (Earl of Glamis or summat), who was a kind of huge, deformed, inbred, flabby egg, and wandered around the castle roof every night making bizarre howling noises. He also lived to about 140 or some daft age.

Erm... did I dream this?

by way of a bump of this unusual urban myth: Could this be Prince Charles' real dark secret? The eggman lives! :eek!!!!:
 
DanHigginbottom said:
The Earl of Glamis. Said to be the true Earl, having lived for hundreds of years, horribly disfigured. Or a vampire. Or having sold his soul to the Devil.

Three seperate legends surrounding Glamis, those. :)

The true Earl was said to have been a monstrous child born into the family about 200 years ago (and who finally died in the 1920s.) He was supposed to have had no neck, tiny, 'toy-like' arms and legs, and a huge hairy body like a barrel, and was kept shut up in a secret room within the castle until his death.

The vampire of Glamis was said to have been a servant girl who was caught while sucking the blood from a victim and bricked up somewhere in the house by the horrified family. Lord Crawford, known as 'Earl Beardie', is said to have played a game of dice with the Devil and lost his soul. According to the Queen Mother's sister, children sleeping in that part of the house would wake up at night, claiming that a bearded man had leaned over their beds, and sounds can be heard from one of the empty towers at night as that last game is re-enacted.
 
Mickleditch:

The true Earl was said to have been a monstrous child born into the family about 200 years ago (and who finally died in the 1920s.) He was supposed to have had no neck, tiny, 'toy-like' arms and legs, and a huge hairy body like a barrel, and was kept shut up in a secret room within the castle until his death.

I found this:

Probably the most resounding piece of folklore that crops up, is the story of a secret room somewhere within the castle, that harbours a dreadful secret. At one time a towel is said to have been hung from every window in the castle, but from the outside a window without a towel was visible, suggesting a hidden room.

The secret room has many tales as to its origin; the most popular is that it holds a monster. In 1821 the first son of the eleventh Earl is said to have been born horribly malformed. To hide this fact the story was circulated that the boy had died, and the infant was locked up in a secret room within the castle. The malformed boy survived, and in time a second son was born, who was told of his older brother when he came of age. In some stories the boy grows to become incredibly strong, and lives for over a hundred years. The secret of the hidden room had to be passed down to each heir on their 21st birthday. The 'Mad Earls Walk' on the castle ramparts is said by some to have been the place where the malformed Earl was exercised.

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/hauntings/glamis.html

and:

Of course, this window could be where the first son of
the 11th Earl lived. He was born in October 1821, but
being terribly deformed, the family claimed the boy
had died at birth. The child was said to be
incredibly strong and have a large egg shaped body
with no neck and short arms & legs. He was brought up
in a secret room in the Castle and exercised on the
Castle ramparts.

http://www.geocities.com/bigbazza17/glamiscastle.html

See also:

http://www.dundeemessenger.co.uk/myths/glamis.htm

http://www.grimghosts.com/rare/text/glamis.htm

Emps
 
The Maze

William Cameron Menzies directed a wonderful low budget horror film called The Maze that deals with a fictional variant on this theme.
 
Mickleditch said:
and a huge hairy body like a barrel.

OHMIGOD!:eek!!!!:
I wonder if this is the answer to something that has been bugging me for a long time?

One of the many Glamis ghost stories I have read talks about how a man was walking up a staircase one day when he came across something invisible blocking his path. He put his hands out to feel it and it felt like a BARREL.

It started to move and he ran away, he heard it coming down the stairs after him.

Later on he told a servant what had occured. The servant went white and said "That was no barrel" but wouldn't speak of it.
It has been worrying me for years what that barrel could have been.
:eek!!!!:
 
I seem to remember having read a book years and years ago with a chapter on strange birth defects, and one of the rarest was a total facial cleft (or sumat) where the foetus has no eyelids or mouth (but all the internal workings are there) ... this could be the "true" story behind the UL's

And I've seen that film "The Maze", an old B&W flick, huge house, bunch of people staying there for some reason. they hear strange shuffling sounds in the night and there's a creepy footman/butler, and a big maze in the grounds of the house, with a pool at the centre and during the night the guests can hear splashing. Of course their doors are always locked at night so they can't investigate, but one of them manages to get out of his room and they discover that the shuffling and splashing has been caused by the Earl of wherever it is - who due to some in vitro trauma never developed beyond the anphibian state, and was born a frog

Spoiler!

At the end of the film, the Earl is so traumatised by the outsider's reaction to his gruesomeness he jumps out of a high window (or off the roof - I forget) and is killed, the staff are utterly devistated
 
Speaking of which I recently heard that a FOAF's mother was born with gills on her cheeks (I think?) which were removed and are kept in a jar in a hospital somewhere....
 
No gills that I know of but my female line produces a lot of polydactyls! and webs!

I can see how these things are imagined.

Kath
 
Ah yes that also reminds me - a girl I used to live with had webbed toes...
 
LobeliaOverhill said:
I seem to remember having read a book years and years ago with a chapter on strange birth defects, and one of the rarest was a total facial cleft (or sumat) where the foetus has no eyelids or mouth (but all the internal workings are there) ... this could be the "true" story behind the UL's

And I've seen that film "The Maze", an old B&W flick, huge house, bunch of people staying there for some reason. they hear strange shuffling sounds in the night and there's a creepy footman/butler, and a big maze in the grounds of the house, with a pool at the centre and during the night the guests can hear splashing. Of course their doors are always locked at night so they can't investigate, but one of them manages to get out of his room and they discover that the shuffling and splashing has been caused by the Earl of wherever it is - who due to some in vitro trauma never developed beyond the anphibian state, and was born a frog

Spoiler!

At the end of the film, the Earl is so traumatised by the outsider's reaction to his gruesomeness he jumps out of a high window (or off the roof - I forget) and is killed, the staff are utterly devistated

"The Maze" was a good but little applauded film. It proved one thing ... that for all the CGI, special effects etc. that is available to the modern film maker, true horror is best left to the viewers own imagination! A great film and one that is worth watching again! Unfortunately, this would mean that the no-nuts, unimaginative Hollywood Dickheads would automatically do a special effects packed remake (like "13 Ghosts").

The so-called Horror of Glamis is a real old chestnut! It reinforces the "peasant" belief that the Royal Family are inbred and able to cover-up their embarrassments with impunity. So the oldest male member of the Bowes-Lyon family gets to hear about the secret. Who from? If, say, the eldest male was killed before passing on the "dreadful" secret, who knows about it? As far as the so-called "tell-tale" painting, I've seen it - the relevent person is a young boy (12-14) years old and dressed in a pseudo-Roman breastplate who looks perfectly normal ... until it is pointed out that the breast-plate, if form fitting, would be twice the "standard" length of a human torso.
:eek:
Of course, this discounts the possibility that the artist wasn't good at perspective and "filled in" part of the composition. Heck, it's a painting, not a damn photograph!
:rolleyes:
 
pi23 said:
Ah yes that also reminds me - a girl I used to live with had webbed toes...

There was a spate of webbed toed kids born in Co Waterford a few years ago ....
 
In its funny way The Maze is a kind of cautionary tale for nosy people, since IIRC it's the heroine's insatiable curiousity about the present day Earl ( Richard Carlson of 50% sci fi fame) that places them in the frog haunted estate.

If it was remade, the old Earl would be hopping around strangling people with his tongue, or worse.
 
My sister was born with a vestigal extra finger attached to her left little finger and had to have a simple operation to remove it. Does this count as a mutant birth in my family? My parents had always thought that it was me - the extra head I have only has one eye and three ears!

I'd heard that Anne Boleyn had an extra finger. Surely if that was true, they didn't need to frame her for incest and adultery - she could've been banged up as a witch!
 
My exflatmate used to have a cat that was polydactylous, she used to claim that he could use the extra fingers almost like thumbs.
 
I have had two friends with additional fingers and thumbs and one with a "claw" instead of a hand. All his fingers where joined together and the thumb larger than normal.

The chap who wrote "The joy of sex" just had one big thumb on one hand! Make of that what you will!!
 
And I've seen that film "The Maze", an old B&W flick, huge house, bunch of people staying there for some reason. they hear strange shuffling sounds in the night and there's a creepy footman/butler, and a big maze in the grounds of the house, with a pool at the centre and during the night the guests can hear splashing. Of course their doors are always locked at night so they can't investigate, but one of them manages to get out of his room and they discover that the shuffling and splashing has been caused by the Earl of wherever it is - who due to some in vitro trauma never developed beyond the anphibian state, and was born a frog
This sounds awfully similar to one HP Lovecraft story - unfortunately i can't remember which one...

The basic plot was: narrator returns to the big New England house he grew up in after the death of his rich father/uncle/whoever owned the place, where he remembers a room being locked and strange noises coming from it in his childhood, and rumours of a cousin who was horribly deformed... he opens the locked room, and finds no living creature inside except a small frog, which escapes... soon livestock are being killed in the area, and he looks again to find footprints which change from froglike to humanlike and back again... basically, his cousin was a frog-monster who could change shape from frog to human as well as growing or shrinking according to food supply, thus he survived the years in the locked room with only a few insects to eat by shrinking to a small frog... anyone know this story?

There is also another one, about an ancient estate in Scotland, which hides an underground horde of "subhuman" creatures created by ghastly genetic experiments... think it ends with them breaking out and rushing in a horde over a cliff... anyone remember that one?

I think it was in the news recently that the Queen mother had a "forgotten" cousin who was supposedly mentally ill or mentally disabled and had spent nearly all her long life in a private "hospital" somewhere, and that the actual reasons for putting her there could have been more political. Will try and find a link to that - that could possibly have been a more down-to-earth origin of the legend...
 
HP Lovecraft Stories

Goldstein,
The first story (with the frog creature that escapes) is called "The Shuttered Room", and the second story, with the subterranean creatures, is called "The Lurking Fear".
Marvellous stuff, been reading them again recently!
 
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