Spudrick68
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If anyone wants to see what a positive impact an old teacher can make, watch this video clip of Ian Wright (for those who may not know, a former Arsenal and England football player).
If anyone wants to see what a positive impact an old teacher can make, watch this video clip of Ian Wright (for those who may not know, a former Arsenal and England football player).
He's a really decent fella, Ian Wright. When one of his close friends, David Rocastle, died at a young age, he was on the radio in tears. And as a pundit, he wears his heart on his sleeve, he's still a supporter at heart. And a great role model for black men in the UK.If anyone wants to see what a positive impact an old teacher can make, watch this video clip of Ian Wright (for those who may not know, a former Arsenal and England football player).
Naturally all this talk of the Mandela Effect brings me to Cern again.
I'm glad that we have a good Fortean topic to get our teeth into. Even if a lot of the reports seem like fan fiction.
Good of you to sing the praises of an unsung soldier. Great report!
I never understood why pupils are expected to do something they dislike.Thank you!
Here's another -
In my home town there was still the Grammar School/Secondary Modern split at 11. Two of us 5 kids went to the Grammar and the others to the Secondary Modern.
Being somewhat number-dyslexic and seriously dyspraxic I was often punished all through school for having poor handwriting and NOT EVEN TRYING in maths.
The handwriting thing was especially galling as I was good at the mechanics of English like composition, spelling and punctuation. I just couldn't write neatly to save my life, and I still can't.
One of my younger brothers had a teacher at the Secondary Modern whom I never met, don't even know his name, but I thought 'He's a genuius!'
This was after Little Bro told me that this teacher had said 'Some people just aren't made for neat handwriting.'
There was probably more to it, like a comment about making the effort or how interesting the content was, but I don't remember. I was impressed by a teacher who acknowledged that he'd accept a spider scrawl like mine if he trusted the writer.
I'd still bless that man's name if I knew it. I hope he lives on in blissful retirement surrounded by a large loving family and, I dunno, a nice little dog to take for a walk to the paper shop each morning.
Impossible! I can read your stuff fine.I was often punished all through school for having poor handwriting
Impossible! I can read your stuff fine.
No but seriously, all girls' handwriting is better than the best boy's. It might be unreadable, but it's so damn expressive and classy.
Fuck. I have a handwriting fetish. I do. I never knew it.
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I never understood why pupils are expected to do something they dislike.
True to some extent, but the PE thing mentioned by Floyd (and similarly sports) I always thought was a total and utter waste of school time. Even at infant school (remember them?) I wanted to do class work instead of pointless arsing about stuff. And yes I got plenty of exercise out of school hours. I suppose in reality a large proportion of schooling is wasted on children.It's because we all have to do things in life we don't like. It's good to learn to deal with it as children. Character-forming.
Also, a child might not like something that's actually good for them. They shouldn't miss out.
Besides which, young children can't be making the rules. Adults are in charge.
I hated school sports too and would rather have read a book. But I had to do as I was told and didn't end up as a spoilt brat whose Mum refused to let her little darling be made to run around with the rough kids.True to some extent, but the PE thing mentioned by Floyd (and similarly sports) I always thought was a total and utter waste of school time. Even at infant school (remember them?) I wanted to do class work instead of pointless arsing about stuff. And yes I got plenty of exercise out of school hours. I suppose in reality a large proportion of schooling is wasted on children.
Certainly in my day parents had no say whatsoever in what a child could or could not do in school. Possibly a touch more enlightened now, although some parents aren't perhaps the best judge of what is right for their little darlings.I hated school sports too and would rather have read a book. But I had to do as I was told and didn't end up as a spoilt brat whose Mum refused to let her little darling be made to run around with the rough kids.
Moved schools at 10 and was able to do more acceptable outdoor activities like stilt-walking. That was brilliant!
Certainly in my day parents had no say whatsoever in what a child could or could not do in school. Possibly a touch more enlightened now, although some parents aren't perhaps the best judge of what is right for their little darlings.
I disagree there you young scamp.It's because we all have to do things in life we don't like. It's good to learn to deal with it as children. Character-forming.
Also, a child might not like something that's actually good for them. They shouldn't miss out.
Besides which, young children can't be making the rules. Adults are in charge.
I agree with you here, but you're talking of a different situation. I wasn't on about children with deadbeat parents who let them get away with messing about and who had a disregard school discipline. You wouldn't have even been let into my school if you'd worn trainers/earrings etc. I'm speaking of well behaved children. And I don't think the police would have turned up later years just because they didn't like doing sports at school.What's right for all children is learning to live by the rules. It's natural and healthy for kids to question the rules and expect them to be reasonable, and to break them sometimes and take the consequences.
But parents who actively encourage their children to disregard school discipline aren't doing them any favours. When the children reach their teens and the real rebellion begins, the school won't be in a position to back the parents up.
I know this from several angles: as a parent/aunt, from living among my children's friends' families, as a school governor, as a trained Youth Justice Panel Member and as the former spouse of a high school teacher.
With each new intake the ex could spot within weeks which kids would be truanting, excluded and possibly in trouble with the law by 14/15.
I'd see them later when they came into the Youth Justice system.
They were the ones whose parents had told them it was OK to refuse to do homework or who sent them into school with brightly-coloured trainers or nose rings. These kids thought the point of school was to bait the teachers and see what they could get away with because that's what their parents taught them.
Rebelling for those poor kids would have been turning up on time every day neatly dressed and with their homework under their arm.
Some, incredibly, did manage this and went on to do well and leave with good grades despite their parents' efforts to sabotage their eduction. I was full of admiration. They're probably all admirals or CEOs now.
The ones who listened to their crummy parents (and of course it would be hard not to) always landed in trouble later.
Their parents would then be in school asking for help, which the staff would try to provide but knew was hopeless because their authority had been destroyed. The kid wouldn't listen to them.
So yeah, parents might tell their kids they don't need to do sports or geography if they don't want to. Five years later they might be wondering why the police are on the doorstep.
Yes, why?
Yes, being screamed at and hit doesn't seem to me a good way to encourage a child. It only makes them more resentful of school in may cases. And I'm speaking of the good kids like you, who just happened to not be very good at, say, handwriting (or sports), not the idiots.Like I said, just wondering.
I would sympathise with my kids' various grouses about whichever subject they didn't like and then send them off with a reminder that they had to suck it up anyway.
After all, school was much better for them than it was for me. For a start we were spanked by teachers and the boys would be hit with canes or plimsolls. This didn't apply to my kids' generation. They were being treated like human beings and not livestock.
A school where teachers didn't scream abuse in my face and hit me would have seemed like Paradise to me. And I was a good kid! Just rather shortsighted and dyslexic/dyspraxic.