The Great Global Warming Swindle

[maximus otter]

Study Finds Zero Loss of Antarctica Sea Ice – But BBC Spins as “New Record Low”​

The BBC recently copied a headline from the U.S.-based National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) claiming Antarctica sea ice had hit a “new record low”.

Inexplicably missing from the story was the later observation from the NSIDC that since accurate satellite records began in 1979, the trend in the minimum ice extent is “near zero”. Any loss was said to be “not statistically significant”.

According to a recent paper (Singh and Polvani), the Antarctica sea ice has “modestly expanded”, and warming has been “nearly non-existent” over much of the ice sheet. According to NASA figures, the ice loss is 0.0005% per year.

In 2021 [the South Pole] recorded its coldest six-month winter since records began, and last year the temperature was 0.4°C colder than the average over the last 30 years. In addition, the Pole recorded no less than seven new daily temperature lows.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/21...tica-sea-ice-but-bbc-spins-as-new-record-low/

maximus otter

 

[RaM]

Global cooling, were all doomed put up the price of fuel, more clean air zones
and conferences we can jet round the world to.

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

Study Finds Zero Loss of Antarctica Sea Ice – But BBC Spins as “New Record Low”​

The BBC recently copied a headline from the U.S.-based National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) claiming Antarctica sea ice had hit a “new record low”.

Inexplicably missing from the story was the later observation from the NSIDC that since accurate satellite records began in 1979, the trend in the minimum ice extent is “near zero”. Any loss was said to be “not statistically significant”.

According to a recent paper (Singh and Polvani), the Antarctica sea ice has “modestly expanded”, and warming has been “nearly non-existent” over much of the ice sheet. According to NASA figures, the ice loss is 0.0005% per year.

In 2021 [the South Pole] recorded its coldest six-month winter since records began, and last year the temperature was 0.4°C colder than the average over the last 30 years. In addition, the Pole recorded no less than seven new daily temperature lows.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/21...tica-sea-ice-but-bbc-spins-as-new-record-low/

maximus otter

This article from EOS science magazine claims that, since 1979, the Antarctic has actually been gaining ice:

https://eos.org/science-updates/new-perspectives-on-the-enigma-of-expanding-antarctic-sea-ice

 

[ramonmercado]

A few more articles on ice loss in Antarctica.

Antarctica’s most vulnerable climate hot spot is a remote and hostile place — a narrow sliver of seawater, beneath a slab of floating ice more than half a kilometer thick. Scientists have finally explored it, and uncovered something surprising.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/melting-eroding-thwaites-glacier


There is now less sea-ice surrounding the Antarctic continent than at any time since we began using satellites to measure it in the late 1970s.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64649596


New footage has revealed Antarctica's Thwaites Glacier is shrinking from below in a way scientists hadn't expected – with melting happening rapidly along the cracks and crevasses in its base.
https://www.sciencealert.com/hypnot...rapidly-melting-cracks-below-doomsday-glacier

 

[Tunn11]

Wouldn't ice melting create more sea ice as the ice fell away from the land? So there may be less sea ice but a greater volume of ice on the continent itself?

 

[eburacum]

Yeah, at first the extent of sea-ice increases, because the ice shelf splits into smaller masses and moves outwards. The solid ice shelf becomes an equally impassable maze of icebergs.

Note that it is not until the last stage that sea levels begin to rise; we are not at that stage yet.

 

[Trevp666]

than at any time since we began using satellites to measure it in the late 1970s.

It's that "since records began" thing again.
Not a huge data-set when only using figures since the 1970s.
Shame there weren't satellites measuring it back in the Last Glacial Period (LGP), from the end of the Eemian to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period

 

[RaM]

If you are being payed to do research and want to carry on being payed you
better make dam sure you get the answer they want.

 

[Mythopoeika]

If you are being payed to do research and want to carry on being payed you
better make dam sure you get the answer they want.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

- Mark Twain

 

[maximus otter]

"This study has carefully analysed official data and assessments by hurricane scientists, and finds:

• 2021 and 2022 recorded the lowest number of both hurricanes and major hurricanes globally for any two year period since 1980.

• The apparent long-term increase in the number of hurricanes since the 19th century has been due to changes in observational practices over the years, rather than a real increase.

• Data show no long-term trends in US landfalling hurricanes since the mid-19th century, when systematic records began, either in terms of frequency or intensity.

• Similarly, after allowing for the fact that many hurricanes were not spotted prior to the satellite era, there are no such trends in Atlantic hurricanes either.

• Globally there are also no trends in hurricanes since reliable records began in the 1970s.

• Evidence is also presented that wind speeds of the most powerful hurricanes may now be overestimated..."

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2023/02/Homewood-Hurricanes-2022-1.pdf?mc_cid=4577f9d94c

maximus otter

 

[Sid]

"This study has carefully analysed official data and assessments by hurricane scientists, and finds:

• 2021 and 2022 recorded the lowest number of both hurricanes and major hurricanes globally for any two year period since 1980.

• The apparent long-term increase in the number of hurricanes since the 19th century has been due to changes in observational practices over the years, rather than a real increase.

• Data show no long-term trends in US landfalling hurricanes since the mid-19th century, when systematic records began, either in terms of frequency or intensity.

• Similarly, after allowing for the fact that many hurricanes were not spotted prior to the satellite era, there are no such trends in Atlantic hurricanes either.

• Globally there are also no trends in hurricanes since reliable records began in the 1970s.

• Evidence is also presented that wind speeds of the most powerful hurricanes may now be overestimated..."

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2023/02/Homewood-Hurricanes-2022-1.pdf?mc_cid=4577f9d94c

maximus otter

Just a lot of hot air then?

 

[RaM]

So much of the gloom and doom we see on a daily basis is I
think due to better communications, if a elephant breaks wind
in Bombay it's somewhere on the net in minutes,
my mk1 nose and eyes tell me a lot of it is due to us being able
to look at the world through the internet window.

 

[Coal]

This need a little careful study, but seems to hold water (as it were). It examines the nature of warming in relation to theoretical effective emission height, i.e. the average height at which the Earth’s outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) is being emitted and shows how this is linked to warming in general and C02 concentrations or (as it happens) not.

The test that exonerates CO2​

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/24/the-test-that-exonerates-co2/

“decadal changes of the Outgoing Longwave Radiation (OLR) as measured by the Clouds and Earth’s Radiant Energy System from 2000 to 2018, the Earth Radiation Budget Experiment from 1985 to 1998, and the High-resolution Infrared Radiation Sounder from 1985 to 2018 are analyzed. The OLR has been rising since 1985, and correlates well with the rising global temperature.“

 

[Trevp666]

Greta Thunberg deletes 2018 tweet saying world will end in 2023 after world does not end
"A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years." Thunberg's post read from 2018.
https://thepostmillennial.com/greta...rld-will-end-in-2023-after-world-does-not-end

 

[kesavaross]

If you are being payed to do research and want to carry on being payed you
better make dam sure you get the answer they want.

Follow the money....

 

[Mythopoeika]

Greta Thunberg deletes 2018 tweet saying world will end in 2023 after world does not end
"A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years." Thunberg's post read from 2018.
https://thepostmillennial.com/greta...rld-will-end-in-2023-after-world-does-not-end
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Who was that 'top climate scientist'?
Inquiring minds need to know!

 

[Trevp666]

Indeed. Funny how this 'top climate scientist' isn't named.
I mean, if I had (eg) discovered a way to make electricity out of thin air I would want my name associated with it.
Like Dr Rhys Grinter, PhD student Ashleigh Kropp, and Professor Chris Greening from the Monash University Biomedicine Discovery Institute in Melbourne, Australia.
https://www.monash.edu/news/article... battery,alternative to solar-powered devices.

 

[kesavaross]

Who was that 'top climate scientist'?
Inquiring minds need to know!

Questioning a narrative associated with Greata Thunderbug? HOW DARE YOU!!!

 

[Coal]

Indeed. Funny how this 'top climate scientist' isn't named.
I mean, if I had (eg) discovered a way to make electricity out of thin air I would want my name associated with it.
Like Dr Rhys Grinter, PhD student Ashleigh Kropp, and Professor Chris Greening from the Monash University Biomedicine Discovery Institute in Melbourne, Australia.
https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/scientists-discover-enzyme-that-turns-air-into-electricity,-providing-a-new-clean-source-of-energy#:~:text=Huc is a “natural battery,alternative to solar-powered devices.

...hmm...

 

[Coal]

Questioning a narrative associated with Greata Thunderbug? HOW DARE YOU!!!

Everyone The young generation knows the young generation are always right.

 

[Tunn11]

Humans becoming extinct, world coming to an end; not the same thing.

 

[Trevp666]

Same result for us meat-bags, either way.

 

[Floyd1]

Same result for us meat-bags, either way.

The start of this thread is one of the best ever....
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/the-start-of-the-end-is-near.63306/

 

[Mythopoeika]

Indeed. Funny how this 'top climate scientist' isn't named.
I mean, if I had (eg) discovered a way to make electricity out of thin air I would want my name associated with it.
Like Dr Rhys Grinter, PhD student Ashleigh Kropp, and Professor Chris Greening from the Monash University Biomedicine Discovery Institute in Melbourne, Australia.
https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/scientists-discover-enzyme-that-turns-air-into-electricity,-providing-a-new-clean-source-of-energy#:~:text=Huc is a “natural battery,alternative to solar-powered devices.

Mycobacterium smegmatis?

 

[Trevp666]

I believe that when these things are discovered it is common to include the name of the discoverer in the name given to the bacterium.
Maybe they had a Doctor Smeg there.

 

[kamalktk]

Greta Thunberg deletes 2018 tweet saying world will end in 2023 after world does not end
"A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years." Thunberg's post read from 2018.
https://thepostmillennial.com/greta...rld-will-end-in-2023-after-world-does-not-end
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That quote from Greta doesnt say what those other two think it does. It's basically saying that climate change will reach an irreversible tipping point within 5 years, not that after 5 years we have some The Day After Tomorrow style insta-death on the countdown clock.

The posting of the article here leaves out that even the article itself points that out.

 

[kamalktk]

Indeed. Funny how this 'top climate scientist' isn't named.

They are indeed named. Second sentence of the page Greta linked actually, the scientist is James Anderson.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180501150731/https://gritpost.com/humans-extinct-climate-change/

"A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years.

In a recent speech at the University of Chicago, James Anderson — a professor of atmospheric chemistry at Harvard University — warned that climate change is drastically pushing Earth back to the Eocene Epoch from 33 million BCE, when there was no ice on either pole. Anderson says current pollution levels have already catastrophically depleted atmospheric ozone levels, which absorb 98 percent of ultraviolet rays, to levels not seen in 12 million years."

 

[Trevp666]

Oh I see - I tried to find the Gritpost article but I kept getting a '404 page not found' thing.
But he isn't mentioned in the twitter post itself though.

 

[Trevp666]

That report also warns that permanent arctic sea ice would be gone by now.
It isn't.

 

[kamalktk]

That report also warns that permanent arctic sea ice would be gone by now.
It isn't.

as Zach Elwood posted in the article you linked, "you can disagree with her and see that's not what she's saying".

The idea that Greta (or someone else like the scientist) must be correct 100% of the time and if not then all their arguments are invalid, is bad logic.