The Grenfell Tower Fire

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I'm watching the Sky News video feed. Seems mostly smoke now. So looks like the Fire Dept has it somewhat under control. Hope the building holds up.
 

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Blog post from 1 year ago re serious fire risk at the building :(

It has been very clear for some time to the residents of Grenfell Tower that those responsible for ensuring the smooth running of Lancaster West Estate are failing in their duty of care and wilfully allowing our residential amenity to decline in unacceptable ways.

Nowhere is this better demonstrated than in our landlords failure to deal with a serious health and safety issue that recently developed at the entrance/exit to Grenfell Tower. This matter is of particular concern as there is only one entry and exit to Grenfell Tower during the Improvement Works and the potential for a fire to break out in the communal area on the walkway does not bear thinking about as residents would be trapped in the building with no way out!

In recent weeks TMO staff allowed a quantity of household ‘bulk’ rubbish to accumulate, including old mattresses, in the temporary entrance foyer of the tower. This accumulation constituted a potential fire risk and a danger to residents. The TMO area manager and her staff were slow to react and no-one had been bothered to organise the clearence of this rubbish.

It has to be said that residents should not be dumping rubbish in this manner, but because of the improvement works currently underway there is no elevator access to the ground level, leaving them with an awkward final descent through a narrow twisting stairwell. It would appear that that not all residents with bulk rubbish to dispose of are willing to take this task on, and we suspect that some are probably physically incapable of doing so. It is therefore vital that the caretaking staff take responsibility for ensuring that all such health and safety hazards are promptly dealt with. In this instance they clearly failed to do so, and there is no evidence that we can see of any timely intervention from the management team, who bear the ultimate responsibility for dealing with such issues. Our readers should also note that this is not the first occasion on which we have raised fire safety issues in the Grenfell Tower area with Siobhan Rumble, and that we have never received satisfactory responses from her, or any other TMO officer, on any previous occasion.
Grenfell Action Group
 

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And Megadeth has linked to another blog post from last December:

The Grenfell Action Group predict that it won’t be long before the words of this blog come back to haunt the KCTMO management and we will do everything in our power to ensure that those in authority know how long and how appallingly our landlord has ignored their responsibility to ensure the heath and safety of their tenants and leaseholders. They can’t say that they haven’t been warned!
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Refrigerator fire on the 4th floor according to an eyewitness who made it out.

So, no. Not terrorist related as far as been reported.

It's concrete and the fire was not a really high temp one. No jet fuel...so not likely a collapse.
 
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Of little comfort to these poor families going through this at the moment but I have to admit at first wondering if it was anti Muslim arson .. it doesn't sound like it so far ..

(Mega, keep up mate .. possible refrigerator fire on 4th floor so far so no distasteful comments made so far)
 

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... and why are so many people still standing close to the building FFS ? ... move well away from it !
 

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Refrigerator fire on the 4th floor according to an eyewitness who made it out.

So, no. Not terrorist related as far as been reported.

It's concrete and the fire was not a really high temp one. No jet fuel...so not likely a collapse.
The fire was too hot for the firemen to try and put out they had to back off and there is a Risk of collapse and the building had cladding with foam in-between.
 
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Refrigerator fire on the 4th floor according to an eyewitness who made it out.
I wouldn't be surprised. The SE was very warm yesterday, and London even more so. This would require fridges to work much harder to keep their contents cold, so an old or faulty appliance could well overheat.

Which is rather worrying for me, as my fridge is old (not sure how old, as I bought it secondhand).

Today is forecast to be even warmer...
 
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Awful. Absolutely terrible. Thankfully a very rare occurrence, but I suspect many thousands of people will be sleeping fitfully tonight, wondering not only about the state of their own property and it's contents, but also their neighbours.
 

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God almighty, those poor people, the tower block looks totally engulfed from the tv pictures. Such an awful thing.
 

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The first reports of fire in the tower, in Latimer Road, on the Lancaster West Estate, came in at 00:54 BST. Three hours later, people were still being evacuated from the tower, the police said.

This part tells me that something has gone horribly wrong.
 
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The management company are busy with a cover up already.

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Seems the company have taken down the refurbishment details now, here's a cache http://web.archive.org/web/20170614055549/http://www.rydon.co.uk/what-we-do/refurbishment/case-studies/refurbishment-case-studies/grenfell-tower…

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Here's an overview of the refurbishments made to Grenfell Tower by the contractors, Rydon: http://www.rydon.co.uk/what-we-do/r...es/refurbishment-case-studies/grenfell-tower…
 

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The fire has just taken hold in the middle of the block of flats and at this rate the chance of it collapsing is even higher now.just an update a big piece of concrete has come off. I'm watching bbc news.
 

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A chilling paragraph here.

"According to the board minutes of the Kensington and Chelsea Tenants Management organisation, which runs the building, it has been engaged in “ongoing publicity to residents, particularly in relation to the ‘stay put’ fire strategy and procedures residents should follow in event of a fire in their flat or elsewhere in their block”. What impact did this advice have?"
 
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Three FB stations close to the block were closed in cutbacks. If one good thing emerges from this tragedy it could be a reversal of these cuts.
 
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There has to be fullltransparency about this. Was Grenfell lobbied to postpone the review and why did he oppose the installation of sprinkler systems?

Theresa May’s new chief of staff faced questions on Wednesday over his role in a delayed fire safety review, after a deadly blaze tore through the Grenfell Tower in London.

Gavin Barwell failed to give the review the green light during his tenure as housing minister, despite it already having waited for years.

The fire expert behind a report calling for the desperately needed safety appraisal, said he had spoken to Mr Barwell earlier this year and the then-minister told him no decision on the review had been taken. ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-role-in-a-delayed-fire-safety-a7789266.html
 
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